All resort non-smoking

[dianeschlicht]

As a DVC member, I will still be smoking in my room. I asked 3 coworkers, all smokers, and friends today (all 3 visit WDW yearly, although not all are DVC members). 2 of the three said that they will also continue to smoke and just pay whatever fine disney chooses to impose. I think non-smokers are naive to believe that this will ensure smoke free rooms. I believe it will just make all rooms smoking optional, as has been previously stated. Now I'll just factor a possible fine into the cost of my vacation. I sincerely hope that the fine will be used to properly clean the room, but I seriously doubt it.

I suffer from allergy induced asthma and another lung condition that requires me to use oxygen at night. I have been known to sleep in the car when a "non-smoking" room at a hotel was smoked in before I arrived. It was either that or spend the night and a lot of money in the emergency room. I don't know how some of you can be so cavalier about purposfully breaking the non-smoking rule! What makes your habit more important than my life???

 

[jarestel]

"Grab yourself an armload of pool towels if you need them, exceed the maximum stated occupancy limits if you need to, and bring back that refillable mug you bought 5 years ago. Rules are for chumps, right?"



Makes me wonder if maybe SOMEONE has been doing a little pool hopping and mug cheating.

I believe Danny had you pegged right. So long!

 

[Sammie]

Arguing about this will accomplish nothing except pages and pages of arguing.

I knew Disney was going to this. I also said many times when everyone was wishing for a NS policy, that some are still going to smoke.

I personally said then and will say now, it is not going to stop people from smoking. It is an addiction and addicts are not going to care about fines, or even the chance of a fine.

Only responsible smokers are going to comply and they were already doing what was responsible anyway, booking a smoking room and if they did not get one, not smoking in a NS or on the balcony.

Those that were not responsible before, are not going to be responsible now. This thread has proved that.

This is one that is only going to make the situation worse.

 

[jarestel]

Arguing about this will accomplish nothing except pages and pages of arguing.

I knew Disney was going to this. I also said many times when everyone was wishing for a NS policy, that some are still going to smoke.

I personally said then and will say now, it is not going to stop people from smoking. It is an addiction and addicts are not going to care about fines, or even the chance of a fine.

Only responsible smokers are going to comply and they were already doing what was responsible anyway, booking a smoking room and if they did not get one, not smoking in a NS or on the balcony.

Those that were not responsible before, are not going to be responsible now. This thread has proved that.

This is one that is only going to make the situation worse.

Sammie, do you have a feel for how agressively Disney plans to pursue this policy?

 

[Sammie]

Sammie, do you have a feel for how agressively Disney plans to pursue this policy?

I have not heard anything other than what was posted about the fines.

 

[GEB@okw]

Think how much we all can save if we totally banned smoking and the manufacture of cigarettes. As an employer of over 100 persons, we could save a lot on everything from time loss for breaks to health insurance! I am pleased. If we can not ban smoking, lets tax it to death. Everyone can quit, no more excuses.

 

[jodifla]

It's interesting that DVC is STILL not saying anything about this new policy...I called them, and the person didn't seem to know what I was talking about, or how to answer me.

DVC has a much bigger problem than the rest of the resorts. People have invested a lot of money, and as of now, DVC doesn't even know where the smoking areas will be! They can't just palm you off and say, we'll find someplace else for you to stay. DVC people paid GOOD MONEY to stay there!

This is not something you pull together in a month's time.

It's ridiculous that WDW put this over with so little planning and notice.

 

[MojitoMiss]

I knew Disney was going to this. I also said many times when everyone was wishing for a NS policy, that some are still going to smoke.

I personally said then and will say now, it is not going to stop people from smoking. It is an addiction and addicts are not going to care about fines, or even the chance of a fine.

Only responsible smokers are going to comply and they were already doing what was responsible anyway, booking a smoking room and if they did not get one, not smoking in a NS or on the balcony.

Those that were not responsible before, are not going to be responsible now. This thread has proved that.

This is one that is only going to make the situation worse.

I agree with your premise, but not your conclusion. No, the new policy won't stop people from smoking. In most cases, NOTHING will stop smokers from smoking (well....okay.....one thing will, but let's not go there.) The policy wasn't written to STOP guests from smoking, only to relocate smokers to a designated, outdoors area.

I agree that only responsible smokers will comply, and that the irresponsible won't. But going by Disney's figures, about 3% of the rooms available were for smokers. Let's say half of the people who would have requested those rooms (although I suspect it will be higher) abide by the new policy. The remaining rule-breakers are a VERY small percentage of guests. And with the penalty $$, the rooms are thoroughly cleaned, deodorized and returned to service.

So I don't think it will make the situation worse. I think the implementation might have been handled better, but I believe that in the long run, guest complaints regarding not getting a non-smoking room, smoky-smelling hallways and the smoker on the next balcony will be reduced. And I think that's the gist of what they're trying to achieve---not outright obliteration of all smoke in the buildings (which is impossible) but a vast reduction.

 

[SuzanneSLO]

We stayed at Disney's Paradise Pier in Anaheim on the way to our current BWV stay. The penalty there is $250. You must sign an acknowledgement at check-in of the penalty and since Disney already has your credit card info, I woudl think it would be easy to enforce.

-- Suzanne

 

[MiaSRN62]

You must sign an acknowledgement at check-in of the penalty and since Disney already has your credit card info, I woudl think it would be easy to enforce.

If this is the case, then I'd want a CM to accompany us to the room at every check-in and clear us. Otherwise, it's easy to enforce only if you're ok with it being at the discretion of the housekeeper who cleans the room and those who follow after you as to what they decide to report. I'd want assurance, same as disney.

 

[jodifla]

If this is the case, then I'd want a CM to accompany us to the room at every check-in and clear us. Otherwise, it's easy to enforce only if you're ok with it being at the discretion of the housekeeper who cleans the room and those who follow after you as to what they decide to report.

Yep. This will slow the whole process down!!!!!!


Hope it makes the Nicotine Nannies happy.

 

[Snookies]

If I were to be perfectly truthful about this whole smoking thing, I'd have to confess to being on your side. I don't smoke (nor do you) but I do have smokers who accompany me on DVC trips (as do you). Now I don't and never have had a problem with people smoking on balconies and patios because 90% of the time I've ever been on my balcony or patio, there has been nobody else in sight.

So if you and I were writing this policy, balconies and patios would probably be designated smoking areas. But we had nothing to say about it. It's Disney's ball and they make the rules. The problem I have is the folks who have decided just because they don't like the rules, they will not abide by them. Sorry, that's just wrong in my book.

Anarchy is not good, and we can't just pick and choose which DVC policies we are willing to follow. I will be sending my smoking SIL to the designated smoking area even though I see nothing wrong with smoking on balconies. Sorry if the over-the-top enthusiasm from many non-smokers seems like a slam to smokers. It really shouldn't come off that way.

Arguing about this will accomplish nothing except pages and pages of arguing.

I knew Disney was going to this. I also said many times when everyone was wishing for a NS policy, that some are still going to smoke.

I personally said then and will say now, it is not going to stop people from smoking. It is an addiction and addicts are not going to care about fines, or even the chance of a fine.

Only responsible smokers are going to comply and they were already doing what was responsible anyway, booking a smoking room and if they did not get one, not smoking in a NS or on the balcony.

Those that were not responsible before, are not going to be responsible now. This thread has proved that.

This is one that is only going to make the situation worse.

I think these two posts may be the best posts on this thread. I haven't smoked in the house since DW quit cold turkey many, many years ago. At WDW or DL, we always request NS accomodations because of wife and child. I've always paid attention to these policies, whether they be in hotels, timeshares, theme parks, or anywhere else and do not smoke in non-smoking areas. My point is that the new policy is what it is with the primary variable being the placement and location of designated smoking areas. So, I agree with the sentiment that is unwise to practice situational ethics with respect to which policies one follows and which are not. However, I also agree the sentiment that this policy may be much ado about nothing in the sense that it will not alter the behavior of those that follow policy in the 1st place (i.e., those that were already going outside to smoke) or the behavior of those that don't follow policy (i.e., smoking in non-smoking rooms). IMO, the only predictable impact of the change will be the conversion of a small number of DVC accomodations that were designated as smoking optional accomodations to non-smoking accomodations and the designation of smoking areas at the Disney resorts and DVC properties.

 

[DVC Grammy]

If this is the case, then I'd want a CM to accompany us to the room at every check-in and clear us. Otherwise, it's easy to enforce only if you're ok with it being at the discretion of the housekeeper who cleans the room and those who follow after you as to what they decide to report. I'd want assurance, same as disney.

When my DH rents a car, THAT is exactly what he does! He makes one of the car reps go over the entire car with him and note every dent, ding, smudge, etc.
This way, he makes sure HE doesn't get charged for a previous renter's negligence. Maybe it's CYA (or in his case CHA ), but it's worth the time and effort.

 

[dannyh23]

Yep. This will slow the whole process down!!!!!!


Hope it makes the Nicotine Nannies happy.

Geez.... are you just trying to provoke people into fighting with you???

I'm Ignoring you now as nothing anyone says will ever stop your style of posts in this thread -- despite our suggestions...

and I'm sure the mods are paying attention...

 

[Sammie]

I don't smoke never have, but my Father did for many, many years.

However, I will say this, I will take a responsible kind smoker any day over a vindictive, mean spirited nonsmoker.

If the shoe fits may it pinch your toes.

As to going to the room to have it pre-checked for prior smoking, I really think that is over reacting. Did everyone go check with a CM the rooms before now for excessive stains or damage. There truly is no difference.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

If this is the case, then I'd want a CM to accompany us to the room at every check-in and clear us. Otherwise, it's easy to enforce only if you're ok with it being at the discretion of the housekeeper who cleans the room and those who follow after you as to what they decide to report. I'd want assurance, same as disney.

Perhaps you mean at check-out?

Outside of my Disney visits, I spend an average of 145 nights per year in a hotel room.. No kidding.
I have signed my share of non smoking agreements, although it's not all that common.
Anyway, if I smell a trace of smoke at when I first get into the room, I simply call the front desk. This has only happened a couple of times, but I have yet to have someone come to the room. I haven't a clue if they assessed penalties to the previous guest. I don't know if they noted that on my account. If they didn't I guess I could be the one charged, but to date that has never happened either.

Just passing along some info...

MG

 

[jodifla]

Geez.... are you just trying to provoke people into fighting with you???

I'm Ignoring you now as nothing anyone says will ever stop your style of posts in this thread -- despite our suggestions...

and I'm sure the mods are paying attention...

I don't know what you expect me to say, Danny. It's all good?

Well, it's not...at least for me, and families like mine.

Perhaps if I'd had a decent amount of notice (not one crappy little month) and a map showing where people would be allowed to smoke, so I could figure out how to make this work, I could feel better about it.

I don't like smoke all that much myself. But I do love my family members who smoke.

 

[TMB1203]

Hello all, I am a smoker (sad fact but fact) and I don't ever request a smoking room... I cannot stand the smell. I did however enjoy being able to smoke that morning cigi on the balcony . I don't have a problem with them making all rooms non smoking as it doesn't pretain to me (don't smoke in my own home or in my car) I do wish they had left a certain number of rooms maybe on the higher floors as Balcony smoking but this is not the case. I am thankful that they did not make the ENTIRE establishment non-smoking . So........ I will be one of those people wandering down in the early a.m in my Bunny slippers.. I hope THAT doesn't offend anyone

Have a nice day

Nope, not offended.
That was a good suggestion about higher balcony's being smoking.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out......

 

[Connor' Dad]

Think how much we all can save if we totally banned smoking and the manufacture of cigarettes. As an employer of over 100 persons, we could save a lot on everything from time loss for breaks to health insurance! I am pleased. If we can not ban smoking, lets tax it to death. Everyone can quit, no more excuses.[/QUOTE

Federal, state and local government have become dependant on the revenue derived from tobacco sales. Banning tobacco would have the opposite effect of saving money, as taxed would be raised various other manners to offset the revenue lost, ideally to be what is termed revenue neutral, but in reality would raise taxes. If you are concerned about raising health insurance premiums your actions should be more directed to some form of tort reform.

 

[DebDisney]

Well, looking at this thread, I'd say a whole lot of people didn't get much done at work today!