Alcohol at Be Our Guest

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Might I suggest you do a youtube search and see for yourself that such videos already exist, and they haven't kept people away. Nor have all the other videos which exist of drunk people all over other disney parks, not just MK.



can't find one.............did U tube and Bing.no mk drunks found, I did find a aminmated game....no Video. Please provide a link of a drunk in the MK caused by drinking in the park!

The point is a drunk forom alcohol served in the MK not from outside.I chose my wording carefully, and that will be what everyone will remember a drunk from buying alcohol within the MK

If you read my post you would have seen the other point is this is the MK.A big difference by any reasonable person, and one who knows the importance of the MK is WDW and disney in general.


But you can ingnore that point ..........my facts still stand.


The next year or so will tell, as soon as they spread it around the MK.


AKK
 
While we agree on the reason I don't agree with the other things you posted. There is no reason for a stockholder to be against this as it will be seen as somewhat of a revenue generator. Now if it does have a long-term effect stockholders may be upset.

As for conservative groups, aren't they all ready boycotting Disney? What legitimate reason could they have for complaining about one restaurant serving a limited amount of alcohol.



You need to read it all......If the golden goose is hurt, the stockholder will go nuts...........most reasonable stockholders like myself can see long term...not just a few bucks in the company till now!

Not all stock holder are just looking at this quarter, Most investers have discovered over the last 20 or 30 years to look at long term and what is best..and Disney future is about keeping its family oriented reputation.They lose that and the company folds up fast, along with the stock


AKK
 
Remember all the news stories "Disney characters sue over catching genital crabs after having to share outfits", "family sues after Tigger caught inappropriately fondling mom and daughter", Tigger caught on video punching kid"??? I don't think a little beer and wine are going to taint the "pure" (yes that's sarcasm) name of the Magic Kingdom.

You didnt follow up on those stories which have nothing to do woith this discussion............

!. This I never heard of.............so I can't comment. How ever is a luandry problem, nothing to do with the public.

2. The case never even made it to court, the charges where dismissed. The mom was not involved the duagther was, in fact the duagther never said anything ever happened, the mom did.........do I sense a attempted money grab in this???

3. This one went to court and a offcier of the court put on the suit to try and repeat the alleged action and still be able to see clearly.and proved the person in the siut could not see clearly.... there was settlement even when the alleged punch was ruled a accident


Please get your facts right.........and I am not offering sarcasm.


AKK

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I'm believe I'm far from 'Ameri-centric' whatever that is or Puritanical. I drink. I don't have a problem with people drinking. However, I still believe that there should be one place (well, 2 with Disneyland) that still hold to Walt Disney's ideals. Alcohol is sold in all the other parks and all the resort hotels. Can't we keep one place intact the way Walt wanted it?

Why? :confused3
 

Magpie said:
Actually, we can't know exactly why the decision was made to offer wine and beer with a fine French meal. However, I believe it probably came down from Imagineering, not the bean counters. Someone involved in the design of this restaurant suggested that French meals are always served with wine (and my daughter can attest to this, having recently been in Paris), so why not - in the interests of authenticity - offer wine and beer with dinner?

At which point a whole bunch of other people said, "My gosh, you're right! That's a great idea!" While yet another group of people said, "Alright, but let's put restrictions on it. A two drink limit, and no carry-out. That will preserve the alcohol-free atmosphere of the Magic Kingdom."

And, then, the decision having been made, the Imagineers set out to discuss with the Chefs which authentically French wines and beers would go best with the menu.

That is an ENORMOUS positive. It's what corporations survive on. Any "tons of dough" Disney makes will benefit us all in terms of more development and expansion of the parks.

I don't know about you, but I personally WANT Disney to make money. Lots of money!

Maybe if they make enough, someday they'll build a Canadian Disney World. :thumbsup2

Yes, you are mistaken. Disneyland was originally built for Families, not children. There was a deliberate effort to draw in parents from the very beginning. In the decades that followed, the Disney corporation then expanded their marketing efforts to appeal to Teenagers, Honeymooners, the Elderly, Single Adults, Gay Couples and more.

New Fantasyland hasn't opened fully yet, but it's clear that Disney is trying to appeal to as broad a base as possible. That's why they backed off the whole Princess/Fairy focus they'd originally envisioned and decided to go with the Dwarves Mine Ride instead. People were upset with what they perceived as too narrow a focus on little girls, so Disney changed their plans to accommodate boys as well.

And, by serving a small amount of incredibly expensive wine or beer with dinner in BOG, Disney is continuing the practice of catering to a wide variety of people. The BOG may now become a popular romantic dining destination.

There will be a two drink limit. If you buy the whole bottle, then you'll most likely have to collect it at the front of the park as you leave, or have it delivered to your hotel room.

And if someone is determined to get intoxicated at the park, they can stroll over to the Contemporary and do so quite easily there, then return.

How many drunken sots have you spotted stumbling around Animal Kingdom, which actually has a full service bar in the Africa section?

I doubt that. Disney's cast members are very professional and well trained. "Lax" is not a word that ever comes to MY mind with regards to Disney dining.

Would you crash a child's birthday party as a single adult? No? Would you celebrate your honeymoon at a kindergarten graduation? No? Would you visit Walt Disney World without a young child in tow? Yes?

Then I'm sorry, it's your examples that are bad. There is NO relationship between the Magic Kingdom and a child's birthday party or kindergarten graduation. The Magic Kingdom is for families, singles, couples and everyone else. It is not solely for children.

And besides, no one's suggesting Disney should sell alcohol to children!

Bravo well said! Not even close to the same comparison! And to each is own I personally drink at my kids parties: birthdays christenings 1st communions etc it's a party that's what u do!
 
I have emailed and talked on the phone to explain my position.

I word is that they has alot of negitive feed back, but it will only help if people keep up complaining.


There is a old saying..............God grant me the courage to change the things I can, the serenity to accept the things I can't and the wisdom to know the difference.

I know this is a losing battle, but that doesn't mean one doesn't stand up for ones beliefs.

AKK

Quite right. Everyone is free to believe what they want. And we still have freedom of speech to a certain exstint. Thanks to all that gave email and contact information. I just emailed Disney Communications, the Board, and Disney Management. Here is my email:

I just learned that Be Our Guest will be serving beer and wine at dinner in the Magic Kingdom. My husband and I think this is great. We rarely eat at the Magic Kingdom because we like a nice glass of wine with dinner. But you can bet that we will be trying this new restaurant on our next trip. It would be great if the other table service restaurants at the Magic Kingdom would followed suit.

Thanks so much,
Eva ___________
(DVC Member since 1997)


I hope Walt is not "rolling over in his grave." But that is life. When I pass away and leave my house to my daughter, I do not have the crazy notion that she will never change anything or maybe even sell it. And I don't think it would make any difference if I did. Walt no longer owns Disney Corporation. The people who do will have to make their own decisions without him.
 
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can't find one.............did U tube and Bing.no mk drunks found, I did find a aminmated game....no Video. Please provide a link of a drunk in the MK caused by drinking in the park!

The point is a drunk forom alcohol served in the MK not from outside.I chose my wording carefully, and that will be what everyone will remember a drunk from buying alcohol within the MK

If you read my post you would have seen the other point is this is the MK.A big difference by any reasonable person, and one who knows the importance of the MK is WDW and disney in general.


But you can ingnore that point ..........my facts still stand.


The next year or so will tell, as soon as they spread it around the MK.


AKK

And nothing changes in importance of MK, it is the icon park but the icon is castle, not a "no alcohol allowed" sign. So you will get videos of people getting drunk inside MK, are they going to behave worse then when they get drunk at Poly or bring alcohol in parks and it is way too easy to do. Any reasonable person will not see a difference and it will not affect anyones decision to visit park, just like it did not affect anyones decision to visit other 3 parks.

You need to read it all......If the golden goose is hurt, the stockholder will go nuts...........most reasonable stockholders like myself can see long term...not just a few bucks in the company till now!

Not all stock holder are just looking at this quarter, Most investers have discovered over the last 20 or 30 years to look at long term and what is best..and Disney future is about keeping its family oriented reputation.They lose that and the company folds up fast, along with the stock


AKK


That is the thing, golden goose is not hurt, not even a little bit, and any reasonable investor knows that alcohol did not affect other 3 parks and it is just unreasonable to expect problems here.
 
Tonka's Skipper said:
IF for none of the other many many reasons, by bring alacohol free it makes them specail in that way..........by bringing in alcohol you lose a little of the magic and pixie dust.

AKK

Wow Tonka's Skipper u really think u can change this decision? Lol nice try but I doubt it! A little alcohol at the MK is only gonna make it that much better. I highly doubt that u r gonna see drunks leaving BOG after dinner!! U really lead a sheltered life I kinda feel bad for u. U think that everyone who drinks is a drunk? It's just not so! A few drinks at dinner is not gonna lead to stumbling puking obnoxious drunks!
 
IF for none of the other many many reasons, by bring alacohol free it makes them specail in that way..........by bringing in alcohol you lose a little of the magic and pixie dust.


AKK

And that is your personal view. My personal view is that there is magic and pixie dust in a glass of Champagne.

The only difference between your opinion and my opinion is that if your opinion holds sway, you are preventing me from pursuing my view of fun. You get to further your goal of pixie dust and magic, but I can't pursue mine. But if my opinion holds sway, I am not preventing you from pursuing your view of fun. You can always choose to obstain and experience your alcohol free pixie dust and magic, and at the same time, I can have a glass of Champagne and experience mine. We both win.
 
can't find one.............did U tube and Bing.no mk drunks found, I did find a aminmated game....no Video. Please provide a link of a drunk in the MK caused by drinking in the park!

The point is a drunk forom alcohol served in the MK not from outside.I chose my wording carefully, and that will be what everyone will remember a drunk from buying alcohol within the MK

If you read my post you would have seen the other point is this is the MK.A big difference by any reasonable person, and one who knows the importance of the MK is WDW and disney in general.


But you can ingnore that point ..........my facts still stand.


The next year or so will tell, as soon as they spread it around the MK.


AKK

and you would know this how? How is a person drunk from alcohol obtained OUTSIDE the MK any different than someone drunk from alcohol obtained inside the MK? Are they going to hand out a scarlett letter D to everyone who orders alcohol at BOG?

The "importance" of the MK is that it's a wonderful wonderful theme park. It is NOT nirvana. Please read up on Walt's views on THAT. For someone who keeps claiming to be this great Disney historian, your knowledge of some of the basic facts of Walt Disney (the man) and the creation of Disney Land and WDW, is fairly lacking. And your arguments (and your spelling) get worse and worse as the days go on. Sometimes I do wonder if english is your first language, and if not, then I do apologize, but if it is, for the love of Walt, get a spell check program and at least make your posts easy for us to read.
 
I don't see that as the operative question. When the MK opened, there were no TS restaurants anywhere near what CRT has become, or what BoG will be. So it is tough to compare. Had there been a modest sized, white table cloth French restaurant serving $28 entrees (or the 1971 equivalent, factoring in inflation), and that restaurant served alcohol with no take away option, no 20 oz "to go" cups, and a per person limit on consumption, then, yes, I think the MK would be exactly the same place as it is today. I don't know if you visited the MK when it opened, but it (and most of what was then WDW) was a culinary waste land, and there wasn't any place in the MK where serving fine wine made any sense.

Embedded in your question is the notion that the MK would be a very different place if plastic cups of beer flowed freely around the park and people could drink at will. That is not what is going to happen now, so one cannot do a comparison. You seem to ignore, (or refuse to acknowldege) that the wine sales at BoG will be in a very controlled environment, and that the precious little children who will dine there will not witness any social or cultural behavior that they do not already see at the California Grill, or Le Cellier, which people crawl all over themselves to get into. Had I the time or inclination, I would search the posts of all the naysayers here and I'll bet I will find plenty of posts where said posters have recommended Biergarten as having the "best atmosphere" in Epcot, or Le Cellier as being a "must-do". California Grill and Biergarten practically celebrate wine and beer consupmtion respectively. Where is the outrage? Have you taken your children to either the California Grill, Biergarten or Le Cellier? If so, did you ruin them?

Yes, I’ve taken my family to California Grill and Biergarten and they haven’t been ruined. I’ve also taken them to Germany where the drinking age is fourteen and prostitution is legal……I don’t agree with it. Walt traveled the world and visited amusement parks and made decisions based on his observations and personal feelings. He made some very wise decisions and was very respected and successful.

I bet your concept of a theme park would be much different. Its nothing personal…..I tend to agree with Walt.
 
Some families want to show kids how to have fun in a simple way without a social lubricant.

Yes, I’ve taken my family to California Grill and Biergarten and they haven’t been ruined.

You don't see the inconsistency here? Or are you always miserable when you visit Epcot? If you are able to have good, clean, wholesome family fun at Epcot whilst dining at the single most beer-centric venue in all of the parks, doesn't this tell you something?
 
Wow Tonka's Skipper u really think u can change this decision? Lol nice try but I doubt it! A little alcohol at the MK is only gonna make it that much better. I highly doubt that u r gonna see drunks leaving BOG after dinner!! U really lead a sheltered life I kinda feel bad for u. U think that everyone who drinks is a drunk? It's just not so! A few drinks at dinner is not gonna lead to stumbling puking obnoxious drunks!

Sheltered life......that is a good one.

I feel there is alot more people upset by this then the 12 or so here.......... My opinion.

AKK
 
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