Alcohol at Be Our Guest

[Tonka's Skipper]

and you would know this how? How is a person drunk from alcohol obtained OUTSIDE the MK any different than someone drunk from alcohol obtained inside the MK? Are they going to hand out a scarlett letter D to everyone who orders alcohol at BOG?

The "importance" of the MK is that it's a wonderful wonderful theme park. It is NOT nirvana. Please read up on Walt's views on THAT. For someone who keeps claiming to be this great Disney historian, your knowledge of some of the basic facts of Walt Disney (the man) and the creation of Disney Land and WDW, is fairly lacking. And your arguments (and your spelling) get worse and worse as the days go on. Sometimes I do wonder if english is your first language, and if not, then I do apologize, but if it is, for the love of Walt, get a spell check program and at least make your posts easy for us to read.

I would consider it a personal favor if you put me on your ignore...........truly your a person who I am now putting on my ignore.

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

And that is your personal view. My personal view is that there is magic and pixie dust in a glass of Champagne.

The only difference between your opinion and my opinion is that if your opinion holds sway, you are preventing me from pursuing my view of fun. You get to further your goal of pixie dust and magic, but I can't pursue mine. But if my opinion holds sway, I am not preventing you from pursuing your view of fun. You can always choose to obstain and experience your alcohol free pixie dust and magic, and at the same time, I can have a glass of Champagne and experience mine. We both win.

Jimmy we dont agree, but you have always been polite and I ccan respect your opinions...AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Yes, I’ve taken my family to California Grill and Biergarten and they haven’t been ruined. I’ve also taken them to Germany where the drinking age is fourteen and prostitution is legal……I don’t agree with it. Walt traveled the world and visited amusement parks and made decisions based on his observations and personal feelings. He made some very wise decisions and was very respected and successful.

I bet your concept of a theme park would be much different. Its nothing personal…..I tend to agree with Walt.

Well put.....

 

[Pygoplites]

I think it would be the special Disney exclusive Fairytale Cuvee by Ironhorse Vineyards.

Jill in CO

A Disney exclusive sparkling wine? What kind of message does that send? WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!!!!!! Oh, the outrage.

I'll open something French and full of vice. Hey, I just found a chilled half-bottle of Krug. Life is good.

Cheers!

 

[BGK]

And that is your personal view. My personal view is that there is magic and pixie dust in a glass of Champagne.

Take it away, Papa:

"Wine is one of the most civilized things in the world and one of the most natural things of the world that has been brought to the greatest perfection, and it offers a greater range for enjoyment and appreciation than, possibly, any other purely sensory thing."

-Ernest Hemingway, Death in the Afternoon

Also too, the good Dr. Franklin:

"Behold the rain which descends from heaven upon our vineyards, there it enters the roots of the vines, to be changed into wine, a constant proof that God loves us, and loves to see us happy."

-Benjamin Franklin, 1779 letter to André Morellet

 

[BGK]

A Disney exclusive sparkling wine? What kind of message does that send? WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!!!!!! Oh, the outrage.

CAUTION: NAME-DROPPING AHEAD

I had the occasion, at the personal invitation of David and Page Munksgard, the vintner and his lovely wife, to drink a whole bottle of this very wine by MY OWN PERSONAL SELF while sitting behind the counter at the Iron Horse booth at the last Party for the Senses of 2010. They then invited me to walk out through EPCOT with them to a cast party, wherein I got to hang out with Big Bad Voodoo Daddy until a ridiculously late hour.

The heresy and blasphemy were so great that the Hindenburg appeared over EPCOT, crashed into the Eiffel Tower icon of the France pavilion, which then toppled on a family who'd won a trip to EPCOT as a prize from the Temperance Union of America.

 

[jedijill]

CAUTION: NAME-DROPPING AHEAD

I had the occasion, at the personal invitation of David and Page Munksgard, the vintner and his lovely wife, to drink a whole bottle of this very wine by MY OWN PERSONAL SELF while sitting behind the counter at the Iron Horse booth at the last Party for the Senses of 2010. They then invited me to walk out through EPCOT with them to a cast party, wherein I got to hang out with Big Bad Voodoo Daddy until a ridiculously late hour.

I am seriously jealous! Champagne and BBVD??? That's my dream night!

Jill in CO

 

[BGK]

I am seriously jealous! Champagne and BBVD??? That's my dream night!

Jill in CO

A serious case of the right place at the right time, and running into a friend the Party who knows the right people. And it was the one @#$%^& night in probably the last 25 years at WDW I didn't have a camera.

 

[MarineVet]

I haven't read this entire thread, but it made me think about a thread from last November, where someone asked about smuggling a flask into the Magic Kingdom because her friend could not make it a day without drinking. I don't think anyone on that thread could have forseen that just one year later, this change would be coming.

 

[Pygoplites]

CAUTION: NAME-DROPPING AHEAD

I had the occasion, at the personal invitation of David and Page Munksgard, the vintner and his lovely wife, to drink a whole bottle of this very wine by MY OWN PERSONAL SELF while sitting behind the counter at the Iron Horse booth at the last Party for the Senses of 2010. They then invited me to walk out through EPCOT with them to a cast party, wherein I got to hang out with Big Bad Voodoo Daddy until a ridiculously late hour.

The heresy and blasphemy were so great that the Hindenburg appeared over EPCOT, crashed into the Eiffel Tower icon of the France pavilion, which then toppled on a family who'd won a trip to EPCOT as a prize from the Temperance Union of America.

Awesome story!! Thanks for sharing. The last paragraph almost made me spray my screen with *my precious* bubbly.

 

[pixarmom]

Quite right. Everyone is free to believe what they want. And we still have freedom of speech to a certain exstint. Thanks to all that gave email and contact information. I just emailed Disney Communications, the Board, and Disney Management. Here is my email:

I just learned that Be Our Guest will be serving beer and wine at dinner in the Magic Kingdom. My husband and I think this is great. We rarely eat at the Magic Kingdom because we like a nice glass of wine with dinner. But you can bet that we will be trying this new restaurant on our next trip. It would be great if the other table service restaurants at the Magic Kingdom would followed suit.

Thanks so much,
Eva ___________
(DVC Member since 1997)

I hope Walt is not "rolling over in his grave." But that is life. When I pass away and leave my house to my daughter, I do not have the crazy notion that she will never change anything or maybe even sell it. And I don't think it would make any difference if I did. Walt no longer owns Disney Corporation. The people who do will have to make their own decisions without him.

 

[flicx]

See below from post #479 in response to a supposition that is the same as yours, i.e., that $$$ is driving this...

Jimmy your soda being a more profitable product than alcohol may be true if the fact that the dining plan did not exist! Now I have never gotten the dining plan but from what I read it includes your non alcoholic beverages. So considering the popularity of it(dining plan) the soda theory is a moot point. Adding alcohol will indeed boost the profit margin substantially! It is another way to now extract more money from diners at MK on the dining plan!

 

[Sweet Melissa]

Jimmy your soda being a more profitable product than alcohol may be true if the fact that the dining plan did not exist! Now I have never gotten the dining plan but from what I read it includes your non alcoholic beverages. So considering the popularity of it(dining plan) the soda theory is a moot point. Adding alcohol will indeed boost the profit margin substantially! It is another way to now extract more money from diners at MK on the dining plan!

Although I don't know about more profitable than beer or wine, soda is still extremely profitable for restaurants. The dining plan may be popular in communities like this one where repeat on-site visitors make up a large percentage of users. There are also people staying off-site, DVC owners/renters, and locals who aren't eligible for the plan, though. Then there are people like me who are eligible but elect not to use a dining plan. Dining plan participants are probably not the majority of Disney World tourists over all.

 

[flicx]

Although I don't know about more profitable than beer or wine, soda is still extremely profitable for restaurants. The dining plan may be popular in communities like this one where repeat on-site visitors make up a large percentage of users. There are also people staying off-site, DVC owners/renters, and locals who aren't eligible for the plan, though. Then there are people like me who are eligible but elect not to use a dining plan. Dining plan participants are probably not the majority of Disney World tourists over all.

Melissa my response above was to one from Jimmy who said it would be more profitable for disney to sell soda than alcohol at this restaurant.I don't think it is true. My premise is this is a pure moey grab by disney and will soon spread to other restaurants throughout the MK. Just my opinion though!

 

[Magpie]

I haven't read this entire thread, but it made me think about a thread from last November, where someone asked about smuggling a flask into the Magic Kingdom because her friend could not make it a day without drinking. I don't think anyone on that thread could have forseen that just one year later, this change would be coming.

I doubt her friend would have been satisfied with waiting until dinner time for two measly drinks, assuming they were even able to get an ADR.

Still don't know why she couldn't just hop the monorail to any of the resorts, get loaded there, and be back in two shakes of a very tipsy lamb's tail.

 

[JimmyV]

Melissa my response above was to one from Jimmy who said it would be more profitable for disney to sell soda than alcohol at this restaurant.I don't think it is true. My premise is this is a pure moey grab by disney and will soon spread to other restaurants throughout the MK. Just my opinion though!

Your point is perfectly fair. Increased profit is measured by the delta between the cost of Beverage A versus the cost of Beverage B. If Beverage A is already paid for, and is subbed out for Beverage B at cost, then the profit margin in increased if you can convince the diner to buy Beverage B. So you are 100% correct. Every sale of alcohol to a DP participant is above and beyond the fixed cost of the Plan. But what I don't think you are factoring in is the percentage of people not on the plan, (which is the point Melissa is making) and the relatively small number of adults BoG will serve each night. If the complainers on this thread are to be believed, most people will refuse to drink alcohol while in the MK. Of the remaining percentage who do partake, maybe half are on the DP. Ultimately, you are talking about selling 2 beers or 2 glasses of wine to 100 people a night. Is there extra money to be mined here? Sure. But it is not a sum that is going to move any meter in a huge operation like WDW.

Now, of course, if you choose not to believe the complainers on this board, and most adults WILL consume alcohol, then the complaints themselves aren't very valid, are they? If the masses really want to drink beer and wine at dinner, then all of this "let's keep the MK dry" talk is moot and the decision itself is not being driven by money, and instead is being driven by popular desire.

 

[sceavis]

The move is a simple comprimise of ethics by the new disney management! They have decided to change a 4 decade policy for a reason. That reason is a simple one ($$$$$$$). The park has survived and thrived for 40 years without alcohol, why change now? I am not gonna buy into the whole theme of the restaurant theory. Quite a few other establishments at the MK are just as well suited to alcohol, liberty tree tavern, diamond horseshoe revue, caseys hotdogs, etc. However for some reason disney did not choose to sell for 40 years at these places. Lets be realistic here, it is simply a money grab and will spread further into the park over the next 5 to 10 years. What positive will come out of this? (besides disney making a ton of dough). Doesn't anyone find it the least bit disheartening that they are gonna peddle alcohol in the new fantasyland? This is a place that is primarily built for kids or am I mistaken in thinking that? Please don't tell me that no one will drink enough to get intoxicated either,they are selling whole bottles of wine. I'm quite sure the monitoring will be lax at best especially during busy times. Let's look at the thing for what it is and quit calling it something else. I drink alcohol,however I don't need to drink at the magic kingdom, neither would I drink at a childs birthday party a kindergarten graduation etc. It is a bad example IMO.

I could not of said it any better thank you!!!!

 

[flicx]

Your point is perfectly fair. Increased profit is measured by the delta between the cost of Beverage A versus the cost of Beverage B. If Beverage A is already paid for, and is subbed out for Beverage B at cost, then the profit margin in increased if you can convince the diner to buy Beverage B. So you are 100% correct. Every sale of alcohol to a DP participant is above and beyond the fixed cost of the Plan. But what I don't think you are factoring in is the percentage of people not on the plan, (which is the point Melissa is making) and the relatively small number of adults BoG will serve each night. If the complainers on this thread are to be believed, most people will refuse to drink alcohol while in the MK. Of the remaining percentage who do partake, maybe half are on the DP. Ultimately, you are talking about selling 2 beers or 2 glasses of wine to 100 people a night. Is there extra money to be mined here? Sure. But it is not a sum that is going to move any meter in a huge operation like WDW.

While I don't agree with your math, my theory is that it is a soft opening for a bigger rollout coming in the next few years. Hey it does not affect my trip. I have watched my share of drunks in vegas, I just liked the tradition of no alcohol at MK. I also don't care for the recent newer management policies not only in this policy but many others. Have a nice evening,nice talking with you!

 

[declansdad]

can't find one.............did U tube and Bing.no mk drunks found, I did find a aminmated game....no Video. Please provide a link of a drunk in the MK caused by drinking in the park!

The point is a drunk forom alcohol served in the MK not from outside.I chose my wording carefully, and that will be what everyone will remember a drunk from buying alcohol within the MK

If you read my post you would have seen the other point is this is the MK.A big difference by any reasonable person, and one who knows the importance of the MK is WDW and disney in general.


But you can ingnore that point ..........my facts still stand.


The next year or so will tell, as soon as they spread it around the MK.


AKK

How would you know they were drunk because they purchased alcohol at MK?

 

[declansdad]

You need to read it all......If the golden goose is hurt, the stockholder will go nuts...........most reasonable stockholders like myself can see long term...not just a few bucks in the company till now!

Not all stock holder are just looking at this quarter, Most investers have discovered over the last 20 or 30 years to look at long term and what is best..and Disney future is about keeping its family oriented reputation.They lose that and the company folds up fast, along with the stock


AKK

This is what you said:

This is far from over, as the real test will be in the next week or so, when direct contact from groups, stock holders, of which are many conservative American groups and individuals againist it! Is there enough of this action to stop it.

You mentioned nothing about the long term, I did.