(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying

[DMRick]

But you can understand why people would expect her to be addressing it since so much has been shown, filmed, written or discussed about them in the past. But yes, I'd like to her to keep it to herself too Doris!

Recently? I'm sure she has still discussed some stuff, since she has a problem keeping stuff to herself, but if she has said much recently, I'm been too far away from the situation to hear. Other than the summer bikini mag info, I haven't heard much from her. I was hoping she had learned something about keeping stuff quiet. But I also wonder how much longer she can listen to what everyone is saying and start talking again. I don't know if I could have stopped from defending my children from everything being said .

 

[DMRick]

I think there is enough fault to go around to all of the above.

Who said none of it is Kate's fault?


It seems to me that she has taken her fair share of criticism in this thread, and she definitely takes a lot in the media.

 

[mhsjax]

What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.

YOu are 100% correct. I am sorry for those kids. We are so wrapped up in what we believe Kate is or isn't doing to them that I guess we completely forgot about the other kids.

 

[declansdad]

I can't speak for the entire Dis, but I know if a specific incident were reported about a child being harmed, I'd feel bad for that child. But the reports are so vague, it's hard to scrounge up any pity. For all I know, they could have "bullying" each other or a school employee.

Moreover, there is a presumption of innocence for people accused of wrong-doing in this land. "Innocent until proven guilty" applies even to six year-olds IMO. And I say that because I don't know what these kids actually did that is being reported as "bullying."

Please, bullying each other??? If the school has gone to the extreme of expelling two six-year olds, then they have investigated the matter and found them to be guilty.

Too many people are caught up in the so called "celebrity" that they forget other people are involved and were victims.

 

[JerseyJanice]

Please, bullying each other??? If the school has gone to the extreme of expelling two six-year olds, then they have investigated the matter and found them to be guilty.

Too many people are caught up in the so called "celebrity" that they forget other people are involved and were victims.

Again, whatever happened was not reported. We don't know who was bullied--whether it was one child or several or even a child for that matter--or what constituted this alleged bullying. IMO, it would be pure speculation to show concern for such vague "victims."

Moreover, if you bothered to read this thread before coming in to scold people, you'd know that not everyone believes that these children were actually "expelled." I know I don't believe it and have stated that here. I'd bet my house that the school asked their parents to "withdraw" them, and the words "expulsion" and "bullying" came from whoever reported the incident.

 

[Mermaid02]

Please, bullying each other??? If the school has gone to the extreme of expelling two six-year olds, then they have investigated the matter and found them to be guilty.

Too many people are caught up in the so called "celebrity" that they forget other people are involved and were victims.

I think you have a point- even without details, you HAVE to feel badly for the kids who were bullied. That crap is never ok.

 

[JerseyJanice]

I think you have a point- even without details, you HAVE to feel badly for the kids who were bullied. That crap is never ok.

You have to feel badly for anyone who is bullied, but I think the presumption of innocence should be extended to six year-olds.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I'm sure Kate would be all over the media if something incorrect was being reported about the kids.

Whether it is "expelled" or whether the school asked for them to be withdrawn it still says something that only 2 of the 8 were either kicked out or asked to leave.

And yes six year old kids can certainly be bullies. I can't believe for one minute that any school would ask kids to leave after only one incident so in my mind this must have been an ongoing problem.

I really do feel sorry for all the kids (including any kids who were bullied). I still think it goes back to children learn by what they see and I've always felt that Kate was a huge bully to everyone she comes into her life.

 

[declansdad]

You have to feel badly for anyone who is bullied, but I think the presumption of innocence should be extended to six year-olds.

Who would you report it to??? This is a school matter and they took the appropriate action. There is no need for anyone else to be involved.

I did read the first 10 pages of this thread and there was no sympathy shown for the people who were bullied. Instead people went on and on about this so called "celebrity" family and were more concerned for them.

 

[JerseyJanice]

Who would you report it to??? This is a school matter and they took the appropriate action. There is no need for anyone else to be involved.

I did read the first 10 pages of this thread and there was no sympathy shown for the people who were bullied. Instead people went on and on about this so called "celebrity" family and were more concerned for them.

Why I would report anything to anyone???

It was reported to the media by someone (by whom, no one seems to know) that these two 6 year-olds were expelled for bullying. Since we don't even know what happened, how do we know if the school took the "appropriate action"?

I posted on this thread out of professional curiosity (work in special education administration.) I have no interest in any "celebrity" and in fact, I've never even watched the TV show.

Again, and sorry that you don't agree, I think it's pretty hard to feel sympathy for such a vague "victim" or victims." We can say that we feel bad for anyone who is bullied, but even the definition of "bullying" is a debated subject on the Dis. It's the hot button word du jour.

 

[barkley]

what is concerning to me is the term "rage issues" being used with these 2 kids.

a rage issue can be a whole different ball game than bullying (though they can co-exist), and it's not unheard of in even much younger kids than 6 year olds.


ds had a classmate who started exhibiting this in school at around age 6 or 7. i was there to witness one event and it was terrifying. anyone whose had a kid who as a toddler had a meltdown can generaly see the signals of it starting to unfold. with this kid it was like a light switch, with him going from minor frustration/anger to full on attack mode. this kid was literaly in a different mindset when it came on-he was not hearing anything, he was on auto pilot as he lept from his chair, swung it over his head and was ready to slam another student with it.

with him the school REALY tried to work with the parents, but it came down to a safety issue for staff/students that resulted in his expulsion (or "voluntary withdrawl" as it was formaly known). we knew the family and learned that through counseling and med treatment there were 2 factors playing into it that i can definatly see as potentialy occuring with the gosselin's younger kids-(1) allot of ******* in the household over a very nasty divorce, including seeing the parents in some VERY nasty verbal exchanges, and (2) a kid who was born a bit prematurly and had some issues with their "body chemestry". i understood the body chemestry thing with preemies b/c although neither of mine were premies they had low birth weights and as infants they had issues where they could'nt "filter" as well so if they got overstimulated (sounds, lights, people, normal stress) they tended to go into major meltdowns. the docs said with some preemies/low birth weights this works itself out over time, with others it can rear it's head throughout their lives.


i just hope these kids, if they need help get it. just removing a kid from a situation does'nt nesc. change the factors that contributed to their removal, and the earlier they get help with it the happier/safer the kid and anyone they encounter will be.

 

[marivaid]

I did read the first 10 pages of this thread and there was no sympathy shown for the people who were bullied. Instead people went on and on about this so called "celebrity" family and were more concerned for them.

Maybe it's because the culprits in this case are six year olds. While bullying can be traumatic, when the bullies are 6, it doesn't go as far as it could if they were 10 or 12. I was bullied all through junior high, and remember it clear as day, so I'm certainely not going to tell you that it's harmless. Surely, it was bad enough to get them expelled. But somehow I can't picture Alexis Gosselin shoving a kid in his locker. And Collin's not exactly Larry Kubiak.

 

[barkley]

Maybe it's because the culprits in this case are six year olds. While bullying can be traumatic, when the bullies are 6, it doesn't go as far as it could if they were 10 or 12. I was bullied all through junior high, and remember it clear as day, so I'm certainely not going to tell you that it's harmless. Surely, it was bad enough to get them expelled. But somehow I can't picture Alexis Gosselin shoving a kid in his locker. And Collin's not exactly Larry Kubiak.

6 year olds (and some younger kids) can actualy be much worse in their version of bullying because they don't have the thinking skills to realize what they are saying/doing and it's potential outcome. some of the issues i had with students/seen at my kid's schools at that age-

(my student-kindergarten) suspended when his bullying included taking a classmate's finger and bending it backward to the point of dislocation-his goal was to break it. repeating horrendous words he had heard at home.

ds's preschool classmate (around age 5)-as learned from an older brother who bullied him, he would whisper threats under his breath to the other kids (i'll get you when you sleep, mom and dad can't protect you, you can't prove it because noone else heard me say this...).

ds's 1st grade classmate (i talked about him above)-body slamming kids during playground play, intentionaly tripping them during running activities with the intent of causing major injury.

dd's 3rd grade classmate-verbal and physical intimidation culminating with sharing with his classmates on the playground (i overheard and reported) "my grandpa has guns, he's taught me how to use them-i could sneak one out and use it here")

none of these "bullies" realized the full and lasting impact of their actions, they only saw the short term reactions in their targets. with older bullies it tends to be the ongoing progress of the torment, and they can be VERY good at knowing where to draw their personal line in order to avoid the actions that can get them in the most trouble (a learned trait from previous school issues, and sadly with some-juvinile court intervention).

 

[Holly]

Who would you report it to??? This is a school matter and they took the appropriate action. There is no need for anyone else to be involved.

I did read the first 10 pages of this thread and there was no sympathy shown for the people who were bullied. Instead people went on and on about this so called "celebrity" family and were more concerned for them.

Good lord. The nitpicking is enough to make people crazy.


The thread is about the Gosselins. Is you want to make a sympathy thread for the shadow kids that were allegedly bullied, go ahead. I'm sure those unknown, maybe bullied children will receive plenty of support here.

To say that the Gosselin children aren't deserving of concern or sympathy because they're a "celebrity" family is just wrong.

 

[marivaid]

I don't know if knowing the consequences of your actions makes any difference. It certainely didn't seem to bother the 16yos who were beating me up every day 'til I puked or bled (not easy being the Principal's AND a teacher's daughter).

 

[barkley]

I don't know if knowing the consequences of your actions makes any difference. It certainely didn't seem to bother the 16yos who were beating me up every day 'til I puked or bled (not easy being the Principal's AND a teacher's daughter).

it definatly does not with some kids, but with others-oh yeah.

the mean girls who bullied me and others in school knew exactly where the line was and how to make our lives a living hell without crossing it. they were into the mental mind games aspect of it and knew that (at least back then) it was very hard without witnesses to prove it. they also knew that as far as threats of physical violence went if they carried through with it off school grounds there was'nt much if anything the school could/would do.


this was one of the reasons the school district we used to live in created a conduct code for athletes that carried over outside school hours/off school property. they saw a big issue with a certain population of "jocks" bullying, and doing the dirty work after school/off campus so they worked with local law enforcement and got it set up that a condition of team sports participation entailed the student and parent agreeing to a 24/7 conduct code. when this population saw a few get bounced from their beloved sports for crap they pulled off campus their behaviours changed dramaticly. when we left that area the schools were looking to extend these agreements to every extracurricular.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

Good lord. The nitpicking is enough to make people crazy.


The thread is about the Gosselins. Is you want to make a sympathy thread for the shadow kids that were allegedly bullied, go ahead. I'm sure those unknown, maybe bullied children will receive plenty of support here.

To say that the Gosselin children aren't deserving of concern or sympathy because they're a "celebrity" family is just wrong.

What do you mean by "shadow" kids?

Most people do feel sympathy for the Gosselin kids because their parents chose to put everything out there and take away any resemblance of a normal childhood. I feel sorry for them that everyone had to see their mother bullying everyone she came in contact with.

Why in the world shouldn't there be sympathy for the kids who were bullied (apparently enough for the school to ask the two Gosselin children to leave)? Does it change if you are bullied by cute, famous children? Does it make less of bullying if the "bullies" are on tv?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Did you all see this headline this morning? It sounds a tad ridiculous to me.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/source-kate-gosselin-makes-kids-eat-week-old-sandwiches/50780

And who are these supposed 'sources' giving out information? It must be easy to give out dirt on people when you don't have to give your name.

 

[marivaid]

Did you all see this headline this morning? It sounds a tad ridiculous to me.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/source-kate-gosselin-makes-kids-eat-week-old-sandwiches/50780

And who are these supposed 'sources' giving out information? It must be easy to give out dirt on people when you don't have to give your name.

I'm no Kate fan, but I don't believe that's true. First of all, I bet Kate isn't the one putting the sandwiches in the lunchboxes - she probably has "help" for that,too. Second, we've always seen her being extremely picky about what her kids eat, even when they were infants, and Jon & her had to cut corners to be able to feed them fresh,organic stuff. Third, she's constantly trying to look like the Perfect Mom - sending your kids to school with rotting sandwiches doesn't really fit that pattern. Especially since she knows people watch her every move.

 

[DMRick]

LOL..good grief. I'm sure some will see this as the complete truth..no named source needed LOL.

Did you all see this headline this morning? It sounds a tad ridiculous to me.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/source-kate-gosselin-makes-kids-eat-week-old-sandwiches/50780

And who are these supposed 'sources' giving out information? It must be easy to give out dirt on people when you don't have to give your name.