(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying

[robinb]

Agreed, if it were the child of someone on these boards who was their victim, we would have had another type of thread entirely.

Do I feel sorry for the kids who were bullied? I sure do! My DD was emotionally bullied in 1st grade by a nasty little Queen Bee and she is currently being bullied by a boy in her 6th grade class. I would never dream of wanting the 1st grade Queen Bee to be expelled from school and the school is working with my DD and the boy but I don't want HIM to be expelled either.

I think that many of us feel that the school went overboard in expelling a first grader for bullying. Like I said in an earlier post, it is common for kids to still be physical at that age and have low impulse control. I just looked at the school district data for my city and there have been ZERO expulsions in the last 11 years for preK-5th grade kids with an average yearly student body of 11,000 kids. Not a SINGLE expulsion. It's not that I or my school district doesn't take bullying seriously. We do. It's that the private schools don't need to work WITH the kids to make it better ... it's easier to just kick them out and make them look like little demons.

 

[DMRick]

What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.

Since we were talking about the G kids, that wasn't mentioned, but I doubt there is a person here, who doesn't feel bad for those bullied. For me, as I mentioned several times about all of the bullying going on all over the country, that goes without mention. I think every child should have the right to go to school and not be bullied. Every child should feel safe at school. I can't believe how much bullying goes on in a place that should be safe for all children. They used to call it schoolyard bullying, but it's gone much further now.
If these kids were bullying, then good for the school for expelling them, as I would assume it was not the first time it happened, to have them expelled. I would hope they tried working with them first.
The sad part is, how much of it goes on, with kids from all walks of life on both sides..the bulliers and the bullied. But then, that's a whole other thread.

 

[DMRick]

It's that the private schools don't need to work WITH the kids to make it better ... it's easier to just kick them out and make them look like little demons.

I would hope the school did try working with them first. One of them it's been said was suspended earlier in the year. Maybe this was the last straw

 

[JerseyJanice]

What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.

I think that if any details at all were known about the kids who were allegedly bullied, you’d see some sympathies expressed. Everyone is assuming that these two children were bullying other students, but we don’t actually know that for a fact.

Bullying is a hot topic right now. A few months ago, it’s likely that whatever happened would have been reported as aggressive behavior.

 

[C.Ann]

I think that if any details at all were known about the kids who were allegedly bullied, you’d see some sympathies expressed. Everyone is assuming that these two children were bullying other students, but we don’t actually know that for a fact.

Bullying is a hot topic right now. A few months ago, it’s likely that whatever happened would have been reported as aggressive behavior.

Well if in fact the G children were bullying in the manner that has been reported, it sounds like some child very well may have been injured - thus the expulsions.. If that is the case, as someone mentioned very early on, I wonder how long it will be until a lawsuit is filed against the Gosselins? Even people who send their children to private schools are capable of thinking, "Deep pockets"... May that's why it's been kept so hush-hush, on the advice of the Gosselins attorney..

Guess we'll just have to see how it all pans out..

 

[declansdad]

I think that if any details at all were known about the kids who were allegedly bullied, you’d see some sympathies expressed. Everyone is assuming that these two children were bullying other students, but we don’t actually know that for a fact.

Bullying is a hot topic right now. A few months ago, it’s likely that whatever happened would have been reported as aggressive behavior.

That has never been an ussue on the Dis before, why should it be now?

Good for the school to get rid of bullies, let their mother homoeschool them if they can't behave in school.

 

[kidshop]

Because as I'm pretty sure you know, in spite of the confused guy, I was referring to those who say over and over they want the attention Kate is getting to stop. I am referring to those who want the show to end.
If you want the attention to stop, then maybe you should think about posting on all these boards, asking people to stop giving her and the show attention. Most people know that any type of interest is good for TLC.

I'm not complaining that the kids are suffering and Kate is not a nice person. I'm not saying over and over that this has to be stopped. So I'll continue to post.

Did that help your confusion?

And when all is said and done, I think the show is pretty much done anyway. Or is it, with all of the renewed attention?

I don't think you will ever get people who care about what is being done to those children to earn money for their parents will ever stop pointing out that is is wrong. They won't stop until these children, and future children are not subject to a tv station directing their lives. If it gets said enough, maybe the light will be shown and child actors will be duly represented and protected.

 

[JerseyJanice]

That has never been an ussue on the Dis before, why should it be now?

Good for the school to get rid of bullies, let their mother homoeschool them if they can't behave in school.

I can't speak for the entire Dis, but I know if a specific incident were reported about a child being harmed, I'd feel bad for that child. But the reports are so vague, it's hard to scrounge up any pity. For all I know, they could have "bullying" each other or a school employee.

Moreover, there is a presumption of innocence for people accused of wrong-doing in this land. "Innocent until proven guilty" applies even to six year-olds IMO. And I say that because I don't know what these kids actually did that is being reported as "bullying."

 

[C.Ann]

I don't think you will ever get people who care about what is being done to those children to earn money for their parents will ever stop pointing out that is is wrong. They won't stop until these children, and future children are not subject to a tv station directing their lives. If it gets said enough, maybe the light will be shown and child actors will be duly represented and protected.

And nor will the ones who keep defending them - so the publicity angle goes both ways.. Either everyone stops - or no one stops.. Can't have it both ways..

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Does anyone else think it odd that Kate has kept mum about this situation? She obviously had no trouble talking about her divorce or how the kids were handling it so it's strange she's not saying anything about this. Do you suppose it's because she's embarassed? I can't help wondering what on earth 2 6 year olds would've done to be expelled. Suspension is one thing but to be expelled is a whole different one.

 

[DMRick]

I don't think you will ever get people who care about what is being done to those children to earn money for their parents will ever stop pointing out that is is wrong. They won't stop until these children, and future children are not subject to a tv station directing their lives. If it gets said enough, maybe the light will be shown and child actors will be duly represented and protected.

What I find funny about this, is it's all a bunch of gossip. None of us know just what happened, if the kids are happy, if being on TV is affecting them, etc. We see so very little of their lives. But say you are right..the kids are only earning money for their parents, none is going into their accounts, they really only have the tv people as friends, etc.,right now, most of the Google sites are people talking about how bad the show is (I did a 10 page scan yesterday, and on the 10 pages, all 10 on each page was those saying how bad this is). I still stick by, that if those who want these kids off TV stop talking about them personally (and maybe just talk in general about laws wanted to be put in place), the show would end up canceled. TLC would think the interest is gone.

I think the kids are cute, in face I think all kids are cute, and I wouldn't talk about them (Mady is nasty, the kids must behave terrible in school, etc), or any kids, the way I have been reading all over the net, by people who keep saying they want to protect them.

That said, if you do keep talking about how bad it is for a tv station to be directing their lives, IMO, it has to be for all of those shows, (which includes some shows that those that want the G's off seem to be OK with). We have no idea what goes on in the other houses, if the kids want out, etc. But so many people keep saying how good the Duggars are (and they do seem to be fine people), but I doubt their kids have any choice in being on TV either. We don't have any idea what goes on behind closed doors (good or bad) on any of these shows.

People want it both ways..protect the kids..uh, maybe just the Gosselin kids. Because somehow some people seem to know they are the only ones affected by cameras in their homes.

 

[DMRick]

I wonder how much Kate has kept quiet about other stuff. It seems lately (and many people were happy about that) she has not been talking about their private stuff.

Of course when people want to know just what went on, she's darned if she talks about it and darned if she doesn't.

I think both parents could have done things a lot different. But they didn't. That said, I have no idea if they have learned from it. I know I have often said I wish Kate would keep her mouth shut. Lately, it seems she has. It must be hard to always be attacked and not defend yourself. But again, if she defends herself, no one believes the motives, If she doesn't, she must have something to hide. I'd be willing to bet, that if she does finally come out and say what happened, people will chastise her for that too.

Does anyone else think it odd that Kate has kept mum about this situation? She obviously had no trouble talking about her divorce or how the kids were handling it so it's strange she's not saying anything about this. Do you suppose it's because she's embarassed? I can't help wondering what on earth 2 6 year olds would've done to be expelled. Suspension is one thing but to be expelled is a whole different one.

 

[DMRick]

And nor will the ones who keep defending them - so the publicity angle goes both ways..

Uh, except if someone doesn't think the show is bad, why would they care if the publicity is what keeps it on. Time for me to use the confused guy.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I wonder how much Kate has kept quiet about other stuff. It seems lately (and many people were happy about that) she has not been talking about their private stuff.

Of course when people want to know just what went on, she's darned if she talks about it and darned if she doesn't.

I think both parents could have done things a lot different. But they didn't. That said, I have no idea if they have learned from it. I know I have often said I wish Kate would keep her mouth shut. Lately, it seems she has. It must be hard to always be attacked and not defend yourself. But again, if she defends herself, no one believes the motives, If she doesn't, she must have something to hide. I'd be willing to bet, that if she does finally come out and say what happened, people will chastise her for that too.

I don't care about the details of why the 2 were expelled, I'm just curious why she's silent regarding the issue. I'd love to think it's because she realizes that it's private and isn't anyone's business but her and Jon's. That would be wonderful. Of course she should keep her mouth shut, particularly where her kids are concerned. But you can understand why people would expect her to be addressing it since so much has been shown, filmed, written or discussed about them in the past. But yes, I'd like to her to keep it to herself too Doris!

 

[C.Ann]

Although I really liked the Alaska show, it may be time to hang it up, as it would be with any kids that need more family time and less camera time.

This??

Uh, except if someone doesn't think the show is bad, why would they care if the publicity is what keeps it on. Time for me to use the confused guy.

 

[DMRick]

This??

I still didn't say the show was bad and that's why the kids are acting out. It may be time to hang it up and spend more family time is what I said..but not because I think the kids are harmed by it. Unlike some that are postive it's harming them, I am not. I am privy to very little of their lives.

If I thought it was harming them, I would be spending my time joining groups that could help get kids (all kids) off TV. I would be writing all the advertisers my displeasure. I would seek out boards that are talking about ways to have more licensing..sort of like I think Walden tries to do.

I wouldn't be a part of advertising for the show, by letting TLC see there is interest.

editted to add, now that I've read what others have had to say, I'm not even surethat they aren't getting plenty of family time. At least when they are doing shows, they are with their mom. Once the shows stop, I assume she'll be gone a lot of the time working.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

Of course NONE of this could be Kate's fault! It must be

the paparazzi's fault!
TLC's fault!
the media's fault!
Jon's fault!
the Kate hater's fault!

Why is everyone always picking on poor Kate?

 

[Holly]

Of course NONE of this could be Kate's fault! It must be

the paparazzi's fault!
TLC's fault!
the media's fault!
Jon's fault!
the Kate hater's fault!

Why is everyone always picking on poor Kate?

Who said none of it is Kate's fault?


It seems to me that she has taken her fair share of criticism in this thread, and she definitely takes a lot in the media.

 

[kidshop]

I still didn't say the show was bad and that's why the kids are acting out. It may be time to hang it up and spend more family time is what I said..but not because I think the kids are harmed by it. Unlike some that are postive it's harming them, I am not. I am privy to very little of their lives.

If I thought it was harming them, I would be spending my time joining groups that could help get kids (all kids) off TV. I would be writing all the advertisers my displeasure. I would seek out boards that are talking about ways to have more licensing..sort of like I think Walden tries to do.

I wouldn't be a part of advertising for the show, by letting TLC see there is interest.

editted to add, now that I've read what others have had to say, I'm not even surethat they aren't getting plenty of family time. At least when they are doing shows, they are with their mom. Once the shows stop, I assume she'll be gone a lot of the time working.

All this family time is doing them good, right? (based on tracking the last year and a half) What is wrong with a mom that is gone a lot of the time working? And does that imply they would be better off earning money for their mother so she doesn't have to work? I'm sure Kate thinks so, and wants us to think so too.

Maybe someone could name positive things that have happened to the Gosselin kids as a result of the TLC show...and not monetary things. Money can buy lots of 'things', but it doesn't buy back childhood and family.

 

[DMRick]

Nothing is wrong with a mom that is gone a lot of time working. Nothing at all. And I'm pretty sure no one will say a thing, if the kids are left with sitters often if she travels or works. We all know no one has ever commented on that LOL. That said, I happen to think when the show is on, that Kate is working, if you consider trips and beach fun working.

You may consider monetary things to be nothing, but if they aren't lying and the kids have a great college fund, I consider that to be a great thing. I think the opportunities, such as the trip to Alaska was a great thing.

I have no idea if they have enough for them, family time, since in spite of what some people think, the cameras are not there 24/7. Unless the kids are really good actors, the times we see them in the house, they appear happy to me. The divorce was a sad time for them, of course..but I seldom thought that that Kate and Jon would have lasted even without the show.

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What is wrong with a mom that is gone a lot of the time working? And does that imply they would be better off earning money for their mother so she doesn't have to work? I'm sure Kate thinks so, and wants us to think so too.

Maybe someone could name positive things that have happened to the Gosselin kids as a result of the TLC show...and not monetary things. Money can buy lots of 'things', but it doesn't buy back childhood and family.