I wouldn't hold my breath on that, I bet they do have a part in it. Heck they may even have Kate over a barrel, we really don't know. They have Jon trapped.
(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that, I bet they do have a part in it. Heck they may even have Kate over a barrel, we really don't know. They have Jon trapped.
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Remember, at that point Jon and Kate prob knew they were done and Jon thought he was going to have his own show. He already had plans...he was prob already looking forward to his new, exciting life. That didn't work out for him.
I see what you are saying, but I believe and I have no proof, that Jon did want to stop filming and Kate is such a witch that he didn't know how to stand up to her, I don't think she would ever have allowed filming to stop. They just bought that house and she was traveling, she admitted she loved it. She was hooked and would not let it go. Also, I don't there is a man out there that will put up with her, I think she will run all of them off. they may not be as wimpy as Jon, but she will run them off eventually, no real man would put up with the way she treats people.
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I guess that's where I am in all this. We really don't know. I wonder how many of those who said they would never watch TLC again, have stuck with that. Some have commented on other shows that are on, so prob not. So, TLC prob doesn't lose anything over their part in this either.
I don't think that Kate knew they were done at this point, but I really don't know. At that point neither of them had mentioned anything and nothing had come out about Jon yet. He wasn't even talking about his new exciting life yet. As far as we knew they were still together.
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I just can't give that credit to him, or you, lol. He gave so many interviews with the at-the-time new girlfriend he was saturating the media. He just lost the better pitch with the kids. I am not a fan of Kate, but I do not for one second believe he is any better. Not one centimeter better. And just as selfish.
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I guess I don't remember it right. I thought people on the old K & J thread said they knew much earlier and were putting one over on us. I never really knew when she knew..just what others on the thread said that seemed to have sources (maybe unnamed LOL). I knew nothing had been officially mentioned yet, but so many seemed sure she had made some sort of contract with Jon.
Ok, how about he is just as terrible, but in a different way. I think those poor kids are screwed wither way they go. I do believe that they are in a no win situation. Kate can't get another regular job, and I don't believe that anyone wants to see her without the kids. I hope they are saving money.
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The thing with Kate is, during the 4th and 5th season, I couldn't tell if she was completly clueless or if she was just a darn good actress. It was very obvious starting about the middle of the 4th season that Jon was miserable in his "mommy" role. Then there's the vow renewals in Hawaii where Kate really, really seemed to be in love and happy and Jon was just, well, there.
It honestly pains me to see that episode now, because rumors were already flying about infidelity, yet she spends her time telling her kids that "it means mommy and daddy will be together forever". I truly hope this was not just for show, because if it is, it's sickening.
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Agreed!
Who knows, those people are so messed up, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at their house.
Nope. Just wondering at and questioning an apparently unhealthy fixation. By some.
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Nice, really nice. I'm amazed how some people think they know so much about people they don't even know at all. Just strangers on an internet message board, that they feel free to analyze and make remarks about if they don't agree with their way of thinking.
By the way, calling names and making personal remarks about people, no matter how you do it, is not allowed on the Dis. Even if you try to make it nameless.
We are all allowed to have opinions (this is a discussion board), and just because yours is different from mine, makes mine no less of value, nor does it make my opinon 'unhealthy'.
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Suffering from Insomnia tonight and needed something to read. I admit to never watching any of their shows, so I guess my post will be taken with a grain of salt, but going back to the original topic.
My children went to a private school. Very small, and I have seen numerous expulsions from the school due to behavior since the school has a no tolerance policy. Everyone is talking about Kate having no options, homeschooling etc.
Where I live, if you go to a private school and are expelled you just go to another school. You could actually go to every private school in the area if you wanted. Then after that you would be able to enroll the child in public school. Then you have a three school rule before you are totally out of options. In public you go to your public school, if expelled you are allowed to be placed in the closest school to your area and pay an out of school district fee. If the child is expelled from the second public school, you are sent to the "bad kid school", kind of like a prison actually, but the kids still get an education via a very strict environment which includes many "police personnel", if a child is expelled from there, then they would be required to be home schooled. And the behavioral school is an ALL grade school. For the record, I live in NY State.
So after this long post, why can't the two children just be enrolled into another school?
My children went to a private school. Very small, and I have seen numerous expulsions from the school due to behavior since the school has a no tolerance policy. Everyone is talking about Kate having no options, homeschooling etc.
Where I live, if you go to a private school and are expelled you just go to another school. You could actually go to every private school in the area if you wanted. Then after that you would be able to enroll the child in public school. Then you have a three school rule before you are totally out of options. In public you go to your public school, if expelled you are allowed to be placed in the closest school to your area and pay an out of school district fee. If the child is expelled from the second public school, you are sent to the "bad kid school", kind of like a prison actually, but the kids still get an education via a very strict environment which includes many "police personnel", if a child is expelled from there, then they would be required to be home schooled. And the behavioral school is an ALL grade school. For the record, I live in NY State.
So after this long post, why can't the two children just be enrolled into another school?
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I'm sure they could go to another school. They probably have other private options, as well as the public option. However, the original reports stated that the two children were now going to be homeschooled, and I think that's what people were basing their comments on.
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look @ their parents as role model.
the problem with bullying is social isolation. especially if they
grow up without being redirected.
2 major causes for emotional pain, are losses & the state of
loneliness.
loneliness, is something terrible to see in the elderly. they
are always adopting staff as their family. many think it
is "terrible" that family never visit. however, most started
as bullies, & made it very easy for others to avoid them.
it is sad to see their faces, when they come to the
realization, that no person in the world care, if they are
alive or dead.
it is a human need as much as daily bread. one does not need
the "whole" world to care, but one does have the need for
having a few others who cares/ attracted to their individuality.
where do some failed to recognize the difference between
self realization & being selfish. it 's quite simple process,
based on one strongest feelings....."what you truly like vs
the things you do not." this foundation is called a value
system. it also include the ways you are raised, culture,
insights, and goals. plus more.
being selfish is the culprit behind "personality disorders. [ oh,
fyi- my better half , ohio~state graduate in nuclear med,
always "get on" me for refering to p. disorders. she claim
everyone is...& actual she is correct.] but @ work, we see
/use this recognize way, way over the top.
sure one can take advantage of others , in all kinds of ways,
- physical , emotional abuse. the project & rationalizes faster
then carter have pills. this path is very self destructive &
if follow to the end, loneliness will fill their days.
"we" are well aware what others think about us. sometimes
when drug seekers are abusing us , i remind them that is my
wife job & she "pretty" good-
. however, "we' know
what we are doing & the results we producing are helping
others to recover their self control & quality of life.
if you're asking me, our school systems across the country are
broken. they are not even providing the basic~human dynamics
our children need for growing into well adjusted adults, where
they can even begin to meet their goals. pit- of- losses.
alarming "hearing" mid 20's have no ideas.
schools! human beings have more than skills functioning needs.
back to the basics.....every child born, must go thru a growing
up process where they are taught subjects related to
their inherited "development needs." psst, every child have these
needs.
our schools are addressing most bullying by ignoring it until too
late. i am sad & anger over this lack of educational knowledge.
phew! we need to bring back the old "dick & jane 's readers.
what "good" is learning technical knowledge when the child is
unable to get along with others?
hints on deciding to improve one's lot in life, [ well~ that's what i do,
in~deeds.]
my basic "how to" presentation, fyi,
it is just as easy to be nice/respectful to a stranger than to be
offensive. and the rewards can be even greater than your
expectations.
the thing about your value system, is "how you feel". but there are
rules. sorry- the amount of monies or stardom , in reality, does
not give the person any extra perks. the baseline for all beings
are the same, all over the world....if you tell me you are hunger,
depress, anger, cold, hot, happy, ...everyone knows what they
means. either you have life, or it no longer matter. & corrective
measures can only be done if you are alive.
why? your understanding your personal values? they are the
common ground others are hoping to share if they are
looking & if they are something matching their desires.
the aging process is also a very important factor toward educating
against bullying. first, everyone does it. so while you are spending
all your time making others miserable, a day will come where
you realize, not a single person gives 2 cents that you have a life
on earth.
an act of kindness is the best way i learn to impress others.
not only it is cool, but attracts like bees to honey. sweet.
if you are seeking to improve your current presentation, then
i recommend altering the measuring system from good/to bad
results; to positive/negative outcomes. positive = the desired
outcome or a gain, while a negative = not the desired or/
a loss from the choice/behavior you chose.
wonder how many are aware that your rights end when your words
or actions "begins" to hurt another. now for any personality
d/o , "begins" is when the person inform you. stop right there &
change your course. psst, what this will do for you~ earn the
respect of others, and value your "feelings".
we see some who are aware they can take advantage of others,
but failed to recognize that it does not make it right.
there isn't any excuse for our schools not to meet our children
basic needs..like the differences between wants/& needs.
[ and when they carry this mixed up to adulthood, they
come into our ward.]
in the end , bullies live lonely, miserable life because they fail to
recognize their need for companionship. the results repeat so
it is easy to predict where they end up.
so sorry to have lectured, but "we" are too, to busy lately, & it
is disheartening to "see" many, many young people making
major mistakes in things that they should have been taught.
just one more "lesson", if you please. i hope others realize we are
nothing like you "see" in the movies? [ i used the terminator II movie
as an example. they went & got bodybuilders, in white suits, +
billy clubs. then implied they helped others by "clubbing" their
brains.-think about it? ] . i think it is accurate , that mental
health professionals "do it" with feelings., really?
who can be crazy- every person has 2 systems working together,
physical & mental. therefore, the answer is anyone can /will
have physical/mental issues/problems. even us.
oh, outside work..don't think that "we" don't use our "interventions".
i still get bullied. [ i don't look very big with clothes on]. one
time, we were on dcl. @ a common ground area. where a bully
[female] attempted to bullying me to "get out". now because i
was not on duty , i selected a more direct approach. "you really
don't like the reflection you see in the mirror, do you?" she
just stood there turning beet red, and stomp off.
ignoring the bully isn't problem solving. some of their beahviors
can be seen ahead time as being dangerous to others &
should be dealt with before they "hurting" others.
that's the second suggestion, there are ways to redirect &
set limits when others are bullying. they can be & should be
taught. most bullying is from a desire to have others see them
other then selves. they think by putting others down is the way
to make them better. again , they end up lonely people living a
miserable life, or in long-term wards or prisons. truth is, one
becomes what one practices...it just the way the things are
in nature, for all of us.
the problem with bullying is social isolation. especially if they
grow up without being redirected.
2 major causes for emotional pain, are losses & the state of
loneliness.
loneliness, is something terrible to see in the elderly. they
are always adopting staff as their family. many think it
is "terrible" that family never visit. however, most started
as bullies, & made it very easy for others to avoid them.
it is sad to see their faces, when they come to the
realization, that no person in the world care, if they are
alive or dead.
it is a human need as much as daily bread. one does not need
the "whole" world to care, but one does have the need for
having a few others who cares/ attracted to their individuality.
where do some failed to recognize the difference between
self realization & being selfish. it 's quite simple process,
based on one strongest feelings....."what you truly like vs
the things you do not." this foundation is called a value
system. it also include the ways you are raised, culture,
insights, and goals. plus more.
being selfish is the culprit behind "personality disorders. [ oh,
fyi- my better half , ohio~state graduate in nuclear med,
always "get on" me for refering to p. disorders. she claim
everyone is...& actual she is correct.] but @ work, we see
/use this recognize way, way over the top.
sure one can take advantage of others , in all kinds of ways,
- physical , emotional abuse. the project & rationalizes faster
then carter have pills. this path is very self destructive &
if follow to the end, loneliness will fill their days.
"we" are well aware what others think about us. sometimes
when drug seekers are abusing us , i remind them that is my
wife job & she "pretty" good-
. however, "we' know what we are doing & the results we producing are helping
others to recover their self control & quality of life.
if you're asking me, our school systems across the country are
broken. they are not even providing the basic~human dynamics
our children need for growing into well adjusted adults, where
they can even begin to meet their goals. pit- of- losses.
alarming "hearing" mid 20's have no ideas.
schools! human beings have more than skills functioning needs.
back to the basics.....every child born, must go thru a growing
up process where they are taught subjects related to
their inherited "development needs." psst, every child have these
needs.
our schools are addressing most bullying by ignoring it until too
late. i am sad & anger over this lack of educational knowledge.
phew! we need to bring back the old "dick & jane 's readers.
what "good" is learning technical knowledge when the child is
unable to get along with others?
hints on deciding to improve one's lot in life, [ well~ that's what i do,
in~deeds.]
my basic "how to" presentation, fyi,
it is just as easy to be nice/respectful to a stranger than to be
offensive. and the rewards can be even greater than your
expectations.
the thing about your value system, is "how you feel". but there are
rules. sorry- the amount of monies or stardom , in reality, does
not give the person any extra perks. the baseline for all beings
are the same, all over the world....if you tell me you are hunger,
depress, anger, cold, hot, happy, ...everyone knows what they
means. either you have life, or it no longer matter. & corrective
measures can only be done if you are alive.
why? your understanding your personal values? they are the
common ground others are hoping to share if they are
looking & if they are something matching their desires.
the aging process is also a very important factor toward educating
against bullying. first, everyone does it. so while you are spending
all your time making others miserable, a day will come where
you realize, not a single person gives 2 cents that you have a life
on earth.
an act of kindness is the best way i learn to impress others.
not only it is cool, but attracts like bees to honey. sweet.
if you are seeking to improve your current presentation, then
i recommend altering the measuring system from good/to bad
results; to positive/negative outcomes. positive = the desired
outcome or a gain, while a negative = not the desired or/
a loss from the choice/behavior you chose.
wonder how many are aware that your rights end when your words
or actions "begins" to hurt another. now for any personality
d/o , "begins" is when the person inform you. stop right there &
change your course. psst, what this will do for you~ earn the
respect of others, and value your "feelings".
we see some who are aware they can take advantage of others,
but failed to recognize that it does not make it right.
there isn't any excuse for our schools not to meet our children
basic needs..like the differences between wants/& needs.
[ and when they carry this mixed up to adulthood, they
come into our ward.]
in the end , bullies live lonely, miserable life because they fail to
recognize their need for companionship. the results repeat so
it is easy to predict where they end up.
so sorry to have lectured, but "we" are too, to busy lately, & it
is disheartening to "see" many, many young people making
major mistakes in things that they should have been taught.
just one more "lesson", if you please. i hope others realize we are
nothing like you "see" in the movies? [ i used the terminator II movie
as an example. they went & got bodybuilders, in white suits, +
billy clubs. then implied they helped others by "clubbing" their
brains.-think about it? ] . i think it is accurate , that mental
health professionals "do it" with feelings.
, really?who can be crazy- every person has 2 systems working together,
physical & mental. therefore, the answer is anyone can /will
have physical/mental issues/problems. even us.
oh, outside work..don't think that "we" don't use our "interventions".
i still get bullied. [ i don't look very big with clothes on]. one
time, we were on dcl. @ a common ground area. where a bully
[female] attempted to bullying me to "get out". now because i
was not on duty , i selected a more direct approach. "you really
don't like the reflection you see in the mirror, do you?" she
just stood there turning beet red, and stomp off.
ignoring the bully isn't problem solving. some of their beahviors
can be seen ahead time as being dangerous to others &
should be dealt with before they "hurting" others.
that's the second suggestion, there are ways to redirect &
set limits when others are bullying. they can be & should be
taught. most bullying is from a desire to have others see them
other then selves. they think by putting others down is the way
to make them better. again , they end up lonely people living a
miserable life, or in long-term wards or prisons. truth is, one
becomes what one practices...it just the way the things are
in nature, for all of us.
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What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.
okeydokey
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What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.
Agreed, if it were the child of someone on these boards who was their victim, we would have had another type of thread entirely.
allison443
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What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.
Very good point!
What is truly sad is that I read through half of this thread and nobody expressed any sympathy for the children that were being bullied.
Very good point. Bullying is a very serious problem and we should have every sympathy for the victims. I think many of us forgot that they existed because we got caught up in trying to be fair to the Gosselin children in the face of potentially sensationalized news reports. If the Gosselin children were bullying, I am glad that the school dealt with the issue and have every hope that the victims are being well cared for and will recover.
I'm amazed how some people think they know so much about people they don't even know at all. Just strangers on an internet message board, that they feel free to analyze and make remarks about if they don't agree with their way of thinking.
By the way, calling names and making personal remarks about people, no matter how you do it, is not allowed on the Dis. Even if you try to make it nameless.
We are all allowed to have opinions (this is a discussion board), and just because yours is different from mine, makes mine no less of value, nor does it make my opinon 'unhealthy'.
OK, Doris, let me make this crystal clear. I was too tired and testy to say this properly last night. You chose to take half of one sentence in a much longer post of mine and decide it was aimed at you. It was not. Neither was my second statement: "Some people" was supposed to mean "not you," believe it or not! In addition, neither statement was directed at any person on this thread .
That comment was due to frustration at certain really quite worrying blanket statements and comments on the articles I have been reading on the subject of the Gosselins' expulsion, and on sites other than the DIS. I should not have expressed that frustration here. Generally here we can all discuss things objectively and see shades of grey in any situation. We also agree to disagree, and you and I have done that before. We have also occasionally agreed.
Now can we close this conversation and get back to the topic?
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