Would you "let" your child go to college 700+ miles from home- and UA

["Got Disney"]

This simply isn't true. Colleges can choose which courses they accept.
It is true that most community colleges offer classes designed to transfer to state schools within the same state, but that's hardly "all universities".

If you are trying to transfer credits for flower making than no it is not transferable....your classes that are transferable are as I mentioned in my other post.....if you are taking classes that are not transferable than your research was not very good.....for years and years CC have been the way to go to get the first 2 years of school out of the way before transferring to a university....

As for getting excepted easier taking classes in your state in a CC and transferring to a University in the same state is easier not to mention cheap per and that is the best way to go...however you can still transference credits to universities all of the country.

If in CC you did not take a class that was needed in your major you will have to do that but can do it once excepted.....all in all the best thing to do is get great grades in CC making exceptence that much easier.

 

[MrsPete]

No in the eyes of the world she will be an adult and will be treated as such. Universities treat them as adults, it will only be in your eyes that she is still a kid.

Okay, consider this:

Next summer my daughter turns 18.
She and I go to a car dealership. Which one of us can buy a car without a co-signer?
We each go on a vacation. Which one of us will have trouble reserving a hotel room? Which one of us can rent a car?
We each need to go to the hospital for a procedure. Who's the responsible party? The insurance holder?
We each go to the liquor store. Which one of us can buy a pint of rum?
We each decide that we want to rent an apartment. Which one of us will need a co-signer?
We each need to pay our car insurance. Which one of us is paying considerably less because of years of good driving experience?

Still want to argue that the world sees her fully and completely as an adult?

Yes, legally she's an adult when she turns 18, and some of her adult privledges (i.e., voting, joining the military, ability to make medical decisions on her own, right to enter into legal contracts) are hers on her birthday . . . but in many, many other instances it just doesn't matter. The world will consider her a full adult only once she's accumulated experience, credit, and years of age. The reality is that people in our society don't attain the age of majority in one day; rather, it's a process that they go through from 18 to 21, 22, or even older, depending upon the individual and his or her educational choices.

Universities are set up for 18-22 year olds, and they do treat young people in a more adult-like manner than the general world. but they aren't totally "adult" either. They offer Open Houses and Parents' Orientations. The loan companies require parents to co-sign for loans. Most universities assume that their customers are traditional students, students who are still dependant upon their parents.

I don't see it as an insult WHEN you are a kid, but when you are an adult it is an insult to be treated as a kid. And you are right it is a stage of life, A stage of life she will have grown out of when she leaves for school. I think you are the one who doesn't give her credit, the rest of us seem to give her more than you do.

I give her tons of credit for all she's done! She's an honors student, a good citizen, and a wonderful person -- she's accomplished much more than the average 17 year old, but at the same time I also know that she's not fully an adult yet. It's not an insult in the least.

I think it is hard for you to believe that many many of us have good relationships with our kids, and kids who love to be with us AND have given them their freedom to grow as independent adults without expecting them to stay tied to us with monthly visits. We aren't afraid they won't come back if we give them space.

In your own mind, you're creating insecurities that I genuinely don't have. You really don't have a clue about me or my kid.

 

[MrsPete]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";42422438]If you are trying to transfer credits for flower making than no it is not transferable....your classes that are transferable are as I mentioned in my other post.....if you are taking classes that are not transferable than your research was not very good.....for years and years CC have been the way to go to get the first 2 years of school out of the way before transferring to a university....

As for getting excepted easier taking classes in your state in a CC and transferring to a University in the same state is easier not to mention cheap per and that is the best way to go...however you can still transference credits to universities all of the country.

If in CC you did not take a class that was needed in your major you will have to do that but can do it once excepted.....all in all the best thing to do is get great grades in CC making exceptence that much easier.[/QUOTE]Depends. My husband started at community college -- stayed two years, earned an Associate's degree. Obviously I wasn't there, but he says that the community college led him to believe that he could complete a Bachelor's degree at a university in two more years (for a total of four years).

When he finished his AS, only two universities in our state offered an Engineering degree (both big state schools). NC State, actually his first choice, would give him no credit whatsoever for his AS, while UNCC accepted half his credits. So he went with UNCC.

In all, he spent 2 years at community college + 3 years at the university, and he came out with a Bachelor's degree in Engineering.

He says it wasn't the path he set out to walk, but in the long run it was the right thing for him. He hadn't been a serious student in high school, and he wasn't ready for a full-fledged university. He says that if he'd gone straight to the university, he wouldn't have made it.

But it wasn't particularly a budget or time-saving choice.

 

["Got Disney"]

Totally agree -- offering guidance, pointing out potential pros/cons, explaining pitfalls that they won't know to expect -- that's giving guidance. Yet some parents consider it making the choice FOR the student. I could've written this very thing! When we started talking about colleges, I felt fairly sure I knew where my daughter'd end up -- and we did start there, best!"

I would normally agree but when it comes to my son he chose this college last year after all the research and it being the #1 university for game design....the only way he won't go is if he is not accepted....than he still has his other ones to go to....what's great about Ca is if he is not accepted at one UC school but made the grades than he will be accepted at another UC school...

But with his grades and all the other stuff he has done and his GPA he should have no problems. But there are back up UC schools he will go to than just transfer.

He knows what he wants,is determined. He will be greatly disappointed if he does not get in however his second choice he will get in with no problem...

If he had no idea what he wanted to do as the OP than there is no way I would let him go to a college like say NYU and pay 60,000 a year to just go to that college....a student can get a great early education at any CC or university...it's what they make of it while there.

 

["Got Disney"]

Depends. My husband started at community college -- stayed two years, earned an Associate's degree. Obviously I wasn't there, but he says that the community college led him to believe that he could complete a Bachelor's degree at a university in two more years (for a total of four years).

When he finished his AS, only two universities in our state offered an Engineering degree. One of them would give him no credit for his Associate's degree, the other accepted half his credits. So he went to the second school.

In all, he spent 2 years at community college + 3 years at the university, and he came out with a Bachelor's degree in Engineering.

He says it was the right path for him. He hadn't been a serious student in high school, and he wasn't ready for a full-fledged university. He says that ihe'd gone straight to the university, he wouldn't have made it.

But it wasn't particularly a budget or time-saving choice.

Did he do his research with the universities first? There are certain classes you need to take for engineering and if those classes were not taken in CC if they offered them than he would still have to take them...

For example....one of our CC does not offer certain computer classes that are needed for his major....so he would have no choice to take them at a CC that does or take them later when he transferee....but the classes that again are transferable are the basic classes.....

To many go into school without doing thorough research....it is a must so not to think any class is transferable....if you take a basic math class instead of algebra than it is not transferable...if you take English 101but the Universities want English 2 than that is what you must take....

You are talking engineering which requires higher math...higher sciences...but he still needed his basic classes whether in a CC or university taking them.

It all comes down to research.....

 

[Hannathy]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";42422697]

It all comes down to research.....[/QUOTE]

You can research all you want there are some universities that will not accept CC credits. Just like there are some that won't accept AP credit.
CC is great for some things and some people but you can't make a blanket statement that all school accept them.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

Yes, we would. Right now our daughter is considering FSU because of it's music therapy program, which is about 1300 miles away.

 

[MrsPete]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";42422697]Did he do his research with the universities first? There are certain classes you need to take for engineering and if those classes were not taken in CC if they offered them than he would still have to take them...[/QUOTE]Oh, I don't have any idea. I didn't know him then. His father hadn't gone to college himself, and he wasn't able to provide a whole lot of guidance for him. What I know is that from talking to people at the community college, HE EXPECTED to be able to complete a four-year degree in four years -- two at the community college near his home, two more at the university. And it didn't work out that way.

My mother also was screwed-over in the community-college transfer thing. When she saw that her marriage was falling apart, she took some classes at community college, but she wasn't focused in on what she wanted . . . and she ended up putting in four full years at the university. However, she admits that she didn't plan well. She was just messing around taking some classes thinking about whether she wanted to go back to school. She did expect everything she took to at least count as an elective, but it didn't.

IF I thought community college were a good idea for one of my girls, I would absolutely know more about what to do -- I'd know better what questions to ask and would know to save all the paperwork. Also, I'm talking about 25-35 years ago, and I think people were just a whole lot more trusting of authority back then: Oh, he says this'll count at State U. Good! I'm sure he knows what he's talking about. Sign me up!

 

[marcyinPA]

I think a lot of it depends on the kid, too. My DS16 is looking at colleges now, and he is in now way ready to look to far away. He is a homebody. He needs to be somewhere where he can get home pretty easily...no more than 3 or 4 hours away. I don't think he'd be willing to come home only 3 or 4 times a year if he needs to travel via airplane. We can't afford to transport him all the time like that.

 

[RitaE]

Oh, I don't have any idea. I didn't know him then. His father hadn't gone to college himself, and he wasn't able to provide a whole lot of guidance for him. What I know is that from talking to people at the community college, HE EXPECTED to be able to complete a four-year degree in four years -- two at the community college near his home, two more at the university. And it didn't work out that way.

My mother also was screwed-over in the community-college transfer thing. When she saw that her marriage was falling apart, she took some classes at community college, but she wasn't focused in on what she wanted . . . and she ended up putting in four full years at the university. However, she admits that she didn't plan well. She was just messing around taking some classes thinking about whether she wanted to go back to school. She did expect everything she took to at least count as an elective, but it didn't.

IF I thought community college were a good idea for one of my girls, I would absolutely know more about what to do -- I'd know better what questions to ask and would know to save all the paperwork. Also, I'm talking about 25-35 years ago, and I think people were just a whole lot more trusting of authority back then: Oh, he says this'll count at State U. Good! I'm sure he knows what he's talking about. Sign me up!

That long ago most of the CC agreements weren't into place, at least around here. As for transferability, much depends on having a fair idea of where you want to transfer to and what your major will be.

For instance, if you want to be an engineer and take Calculus 143 at the CC, chances are it will transfer to the State University as their general Calculus requirement. But it is also possible that the State University will require a special Calculus class for the engineering program only, and it won't transfer as that requirement and your general Calculus transfer becomes an elective. If that happens enough, you'll be overloaded on electives.

Then it is possible that the special Engineering Calculus class is a pre-requisite for a whole bunch of other Engineering classes, and you spend your first semester at State U unable to take any engineering classes because you haven't met the pre-requisite. And if you'd only known that you would have picked up the Engineering Calculus online over the summer but nobody pointed it out to you and you weren't pro-active enough to figure it out yourself. So overall, planning is important and if you change majors and plans, there is always a chance that it is going to hurt your graduation time-line.

 

[lucyanna girl]

My husband and I have six children between us. Our youngest is in college now. The others have all completed their education. They range from four year degrees to a law degree.

Some went to school and lived at home, some went out of state. Some came home every weekend, some did not. Every young person is different. They are all employed, productive people. If you put them all in a room and talked with them I don't think anyone could tell who lived at home and who didn't.

Another consideration for some families is money. Not everyone can afford to send their student away for school. Starting off is certainly easier without debt.

In the end we all do what is right for us.

Penny

 

[golfgal]

[QUOTE="Got Disney";42421961]I also want to add that my son wanted to be as close to home as possible....we are a very close family.....if he wanted to go to a school out of Ca than I would not stop him unless he chose a college that was not going to give him the best education for his field....

He is very glad that I am doing my investigating with him...weeding down his choices....he gets the independence part however he also knows I understand things he does not when it comes to college. He learned what he likes visiting all those colleges....that is what we worked from.

The parents IMO that let there 17 y.o kids do all the work choosing without working with there children are doing there kids no justice. It is a big decision and involves more than just going to any college they happen to think would be a cool place to go....

My son thanks me all the time for helping him stay on top of what he has to be doing...he said there is so much and all different colleges want different stuff that it is overwhelming.....

It's easy to sit back and let them decide on their own and leave it all up to the kids....it's parents that stay plugged in that care enough to understand all the work involved....and to help take some of the stress off their only 17 yo children....independence yes.....guidance a must.[/QUOTE]

Again, guidance is a lot different then choosing for them and limiting them by saying you can only go 4 hours away or less. We started with our kids just asking what kind of school they would like, big, small, etc. (knowing that they would all do best on small campus but maybe they wanted something else?). They had been on college campuses for various camps, etc. over the years so they had a good feel for what things would be like at a huge school vs a small school.

When they started getting mail we had them look through the fliers, etc. The ones that sounded good to them they looked up online for more information. They weeded out a LOT of schools quickly by size and programs they didn't have. They didn't want to be TOO far away until we talked about airplanes and how they can be home in 3 hours or less on a plane from pretty much anywhere in the continental US--that expanded their horizons quite a bit.

Academics aside because that is obvious, DS16 wants a place that has a large intermural program because he wants to play sports in college but isn't good enough to play for a college team. He weeded out a lot of schools that way. DD16 on the otherhand has weeded out schools because of their golf programs, or lack there of... She doesn't want a top 25 golf program so that weeded out those schools. She wants a semi-competitive program that doesn't travel too much-weeded out a LOT of programs .

We have done 3 campus visits so far where we actually met with admissions counselors, etc. So far they have loved all 3 schools.

 

[golfgal]

Totally agree -- offering guidance, pointing out potential pros/cons, explaining pitfalls that they won't know to expect -- that's giving guidance. Yet some parents consider it making the choice FOR the student. I could've written this very thing! When we started talking about colleges, I felt fairly sure I knew where my daughter'd end up -- and we did start there, but in the end that school didn't even made her list! In all fairness, today's students have more options that we did, and the world is considerably less forgiving. For example, I graduated in the early 80s. A friend of mine went away to a military school and realized that he'd made a mistake -- he was able to transfer into another school a few weeks into the semester. He was even able to get a dorm room. Try that today!

And the finances are certainly more complicated today.

Like your parents, my parents didn't do anything to help me with my college choice, but plenty of other parents did -- my high school boyfriend's parents actually did more for me than my own parents. In any generation you can find parents who care enough to help their kids make good choices, and in any generation you can find parents who just throw their kids to the wolves and say, "Do your best!"

It can still be done at schools today...I don't know that they are any more or less forgiving then they were when we were in college. I know people that transferred last minute or even applied last minute and still got into schools and got dorm rooms, but then I know plenty of people that were accepted early on and didn't get dorm rooms too.

You can research all you want there are some universities that will not accept CC credits. Just like there are some that won't accept AP credit.
CC is great for some things and some people but you can't make a blanket statement that all school accept them.

 

[Talking Hands]

I went to the University of Miami and my family was in DC.
My daughter went to grad school in Ohio and we live in Miami.

Not a big deal really

 

[Magic Mom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by "Got Disney"
As for my son already picking his major he has wanted to do this since he was 12..... he has taken collede courses and gone to gaming academies for his career....he worked at Sony with the head animator in gaming there tis summer and has designed his own games already and many other things....

He knows what he wants to do but said he may change in the field....be it from art, writing, environmental mapping, or so on in the same field og gaming....

As for paying off college....different economy...different times....in addition it has been shown that many students graduate wanting to start in their field getting paid top teir and refuse to start in the mail room in their field so instead they work in McDonalds.

Also the GOV has billions and Billions of unpaid school loans from students who over many years did not and have not paid back there loans...or parents that paid for their kids to go to any old school of their choice without proper planing that drop out and leave a loan they don't pay back....

If I can help guid my son and help him with the right choices to help him be successful that is what I will do. Just because they are 17 or 18 does not mean you leave them to make choices thinking they are all grow up...because they are far from it.

Community college grades are transferable to all universities....so not sure where you got that info from....if you take a class in cooking than no it will not matter as for a major...but math, history, English classes that are considered to be a pre requisite is....

This is where research comes in...one thing great about community college is your high school grades no longer mater...the university will only look at your grades from CC....it's a second chance for students that did not due well in HS.

Here they do not automatically transfer and the schools we have looked at do not take them AT ALL, even for science, math, etc. I realize some states have automatic transferring, ours does not. Here the kids can take college level classes in high school that double count for high school and college credit. SOME of those classes transfer, most do not, but most schools give "credit" like they do for AP classes allowing placement in a higher level class as a freshman.

I think your state does have some automatic transfer.

Minnesota Transfer Curriculum (MNTC)
The Minnesota Transfer Curriculum (MNTC) is a series of courses (40 credits) that comprise a package of general education requirements that, as a package, will satisfy the general education requirements for the first two years of college at all Minnesota public colleges and universities. Transfer of credits from one institution to another has in the past often been a difficult one, with the receiving institution in full control of what is and what is not accepted from the original institution. The Minnesota Transfer Curriculum is a transfer agreement that eliminates transfer difficulties for RCTC students: the successfully completed MnTC will automatically transfer in its entirety.

Note that the Minnesota Transfer Curriculum includes 40 general education credits; in itself the MnTC is not a degree. The AAS, AS, AFA, and AA degrees require a total of 60 (or more) credits.

Keep in mind also that many courses not in the MnTC may still transfer. Students will need to have these courses evaluated by their next institution at the time of application to that institution. For such courses the receiving institution determines what is and what is not accepted from RCTC in transfer.

The MnTC commits public colleges and universities in Minnesota to a broad foundation that integrates a body of knowledge and skills with study of contemporary concerns that are essential in meeting the challenges of the twenty-first century. The Minnesota Transfer Curriculum emphasizes our common membership in the human community, personal responsibility for intellectual lifelong learning, and an awareness that we live in a diverse world. The curriculum encourages diverse ways of knowing—that is, factual content, theories and methods, and creative models in a broad spectrum of integration, application, and communication.

The ten areas of emphasis or goals in the MnTC are listed below, along with a two-letter “code” or “shorthand” for each:

•Goal 1: Written and Oral Communication (CM)
•Goal 2: Critical Thinking (CT)
•Goal 3: Natural Sciences (NS)
•Goal 4: Mathematics/Logical Reasoning (MA)
•Goal 5: History and the Social and Behavioral Sciences (SS)
•Goal 6: Humanities - the Arts, Literature and Philosophy (HA)
•Goal 7: Human Diversity (HD)
•Goal 8: Global Perspectives (GP)
•Goal 9: Ethical and Civic Responsibility (EC)
•Goal 10: People and the Environment (PN)
When you examine a course and its description in this catalog, these codes will help you determine which of the ten goals is/are met by that course. If you do not see one of the codes, the course is not part of the Minnesota Transfer Curriculum. The codes are shown in bold in the following example:

EXAMPLE:

BIOL 1100 Environmental Biology
This is a one-semester course that introduces students to applied aspects of environmental science. It provides students with a broad overview of the concepts of ecology, systems and interrelationships among organisms and their physical environment, and current issues in environmental science. Students will examine humans' role in the natural world and the impact of the growth of the human population and the increase in humans' technological ability to make changes in the world. Students will be encouraged to explore societal, political, economic and personal value systems with regard to environmental issues. (Prerequisites: College level reading and writing). (3 C/2 lect, 2 lab). MNTC: Goal 2/Critical Thinking, Goal 3/Natural Sciences, Goal 10/People and the Environment. -- [This course would meet MNTC goals for Critical Thinking, Natural Sciences, and People and the Environment]



Updated: March 30, 2011

 

[Plannin'Shannon]

My husband and I have six children between us. Our youngest is in college now. The others have all completed their education. They range from four year degrees to a law degree.

Some went to school and lived at home, some went out of state. Some came home every weekend, some did not. Every young person is different. They are all employed, productive people. If you put them all in a room and talked with them I don't think anyone could tell who lived at home and who didn't.

Another consideration for some families is money. Not everyone can afford to send their student away for school. Starting off is certainly easier without debt.

In the end we all do what is right for us.

Penny

Well said.

 

[golfgal]

I think your state does have some automatic transfer.

Only SOME classes transfer to CERTAIN schools, none of the schools we have looked at will accept CC transfer credits-heck, they won't usually even accept transfers from other 4 year schools....

In other states it is an automatic process to almost every school in that state according to many threads on this topic here on the DIS in the past.

The environmental biology class that they give as an example is a non-science major biology class at the state schools that meets the state school gen ed requirement but does NOT meet any of the requirements if you are a biology major so taking that class at a CC is a waste of time and money if you are going to major in the sciences. Same goes for all of those classes, they do not meet requirements for your major courses--only SOME meet requirements for gen ed requirements.

 

[Magic Mom]

Only SOME classes transfer to CERTAIN schools, none of the schools we have looked at will accept CC transfer credits-heck, they won't usually even accept transfers from other 4 year schools....

In other states it is an automatic process to almost every school in that state according to many threads on this topic here on the DIS in the past.

The environmental biology class that they give as an example is a non-science major biology class at the state schools that meets the state school gen ed requirement but does NOT meet any of the requirements if you are a biology major so taking that class at a CC is a waste of time and money if you are going to major in the sciences. Same goes for all of those classes, they do not meet requirements for your major courses--only SOME meet requirements for gen ed requirements.

Unless you are talking about private schools, the transfer agreement for those specific general education credits applies to all Minnesota public colleges and universities.

 

[golfgal]

Unless you are talking about private schools, the transfer agreement for those specific general education credits applies to all Minnesota public colleges and universities.

Yes, and again, the private schools here are heads and tails above the state schools, which is a lot of why they don't take transfer credits.

 

[Pinkpony]

My husband and I have six children between us. Our youngest is in college now. The others have all completed their education. They range from four year degrees to a law degree.

Some went to school and lived at home, some went out of state. Some came home every weekend, some did not. Every young person is different. They are all employed, productive people. If you put them all in a room and talked with them I don't think anyone could tell who lived at home and who didn't.

Another consideration for some families is money. Not everyone can afford to send their student away for school. Starting off is certainly easier without debt.

In the end we all do what is right for us.

Penny