Wk Of Oct 7 - WISH Walking/Running Club

[Tiger Lily 03]

I must say that I really need much greater effort in my event commitment or I will not make that full January. I imagine it was the heat, but today's event had me totally walking/strolling those last 2+ miles. I was asking myself what it was I was thinking when I registered for the big event.

Cam, glad to hear that you are starting to feel better. Howard was out in this heat. I thought he went from a half to a 15k.

Dana, I do hope you have a better LR next one up. Sorry about that blister thing. Ow.

Kristin, congratulations on completing your first half! Way to go! It was as hot there as it is here. Brutal. I'm glad you made it.

 

[windwalker]

Good morning WISH Team.

I have something interesting to pass along.

On Saturday I was feeling some soreness in my legs so decided to take a rest day. I went to the gym and soaked in the big hot tub. The tub had strong water jets and I used those to do a kind of deep tissue massage on my legs.

Sunday when I woke up my legs hurt, the ITbands really hurt. I had posted this on here and Lisa mentioned that after a deep tissue massage you need to drink lots of water to flush out the lactic acid you have released fom your muscles.

I got to thinking back and after I finished my soak I went home and just drank coffee with Erica, then took a nap with her and then off to work. I got a big (unsweetened) ice-tea to drink on that day at work. I only drank one bottle of water after returning home.

So taking Lisa's advice yesterday I drank water all day long and this morning I feel much better.

Thanks Lisa I feel much better after all the water.

Erica and I are off on our LSD for the week.

Have an awesome day y'all.

Dave

 

[lourodrigis]

Race Report - Long Beach Island Commemorative 18-Mile Run

I am writing this race report a day late because I was too exhausted to thinking about posting last night. This race was, by far, the most mentally and physically grueling activity I have ever done in my life. First of all, this was my longest run to date. I ran 15 miles in late-August in the summer heat but have only run 13 miles since.

I completed the race in 2:46:33 at an average pace of 9:15. I came in 177 place out of 677 runners (380 males). My pace throughout the race is below and it gives good picture of what the day was like. First of all, the race did not start until 10:30AM and the temperature at race time was around 80 degrees. It quickly climbed to a record breaking 87 degrees by the end. I did not anticipate the heat.

The course is a straight/flat 18 miles that runs the entire length of the island down the main boulevard. I would say that 95% of the course was run in direct sunlight. Crowds?? A few people cheering during the first 6 miles but after that the most I saw was a few families sitting in front of their homes that appeared to be in shock that any nut would run 18 miles in 85 degree heat! Most people on the island were heading to the beach to enjoy the indian summer day.

MILE PACE
Lap 1 8:35/mi
Lap 2 8:36/mi
Lap 3/4 8:38/mi
Lap 5 8:37/mi
Lap 6 8:42/mi
Lap 7/8 8:52/mi
Lap 9 9:00/mi
Lap 10 9:12/mi
Lap 11 9:10/mi
Lap 12 9:25/mi
Lap 13 9:39/mi
Lap 14 9:45/mi
Lap 15 10:02/mi
Lap 16 10:06/mi
Lap 17/18 9:55/mi

Besides the heat I dealt with pain in my feet that started around mile 6 and got worse every mile. I need to figure out some way to deal with this. I bought inserts this week and they helped on my weekly runs but were not too effective yesterday.

All I kept thinking as I approached the finish was..."if this were a marathon I would have 8 more miles to go". I was picturing the Disney course map in my head and saying..."this is only Animal Kingdom".

The bottom line...I was happy I finished the race but realized that as good as I thought I was doing, I still have a lot more work to do. I need to get working on how I will deal with those last 8 miles.

Oh yeah, the Phillies lost and are out of the playoffs. They went out without much of a whimper. We're used to this in Philadelphia. LET'S GO FLYERS!

 

[princessrunner]

"The bottom line...I was happy I finished the race but realized that as good as I thought I was doing, I still have a lot more work to do. I need to get working on how I will deal with those last 8 miles."

OMG, you have soooo much to be proud of. Your mpm time is great no matter what.

Sometimes, when I go a long distance like that, I try to visualize where I would be during an upcoming race and see the people ahead of me. When I get closer to the end, I concentrate on 1 person ahead of me and try to see if I can haul it up enough to pass that 1 person. If I think too much about my pace, I tend to fall off pace. Guess, that sounds funny, but it's true!

 

[nucpharm29]

Vic--thanks for the week reminder! That means I'm supposed to do 12 this weekend--not gonna happen--we'll see what the ole legs are up to this week.

Heading to the gym this morning during DD's dance class. Gonna try out the FIRST plan and see how it goes. Only done 1.5 miles since the marathon, so we'll see what I feel like today. HOpe everyone has a great start to the week--looks like some cooler weather coming in mid-week!

 

[keenercam]

Have we already discussed John Bingham's awesome article in this month's Runners' World? I was so impressed that he faced that philosophy head on.

BTW, I started re-reading "Courage to Start" this weekend. Getting myself geared up for the full marathon is taking a lot more mental something than I seem to have in me right now. I vacillate between pessimism and enthusiasm/optimism. Based on my experience last year, I think I can only do better and without the "unforseen complication" of this year's experience, I should be fine, but just getting past the mental hurdle of "why in the world am I doing this?" will require some effort.

Reading "First Marathons" is really helping a LOT, even though each of those contributors ran, or at least set out to run, their marathons. I cried during some part of each of those accounts. At whatever level we do this -- those who are running 8 minute or 9 minute or 10 minute miles or those of us working and hoping to meet the minimum 16 minute walking pace -- the fact that we share this bond of driving ourselves and improving ourselves and being out there with other like-minded individuals - THAT is what this is all about. I would note, however, that many of those runners whose accoun ts appear in "First Marathons" didn't run their first marathons until they were my age or even older. So, maybe someday I'll run more than I'll walk. But whatever I do for the full this year -- I am determined to do this one strong. Maybe then I'll be able to feel like it is an accomplishment that I can check off my list. Running the half will be my goal for 2009.

Just thought I'd put those two books out there as suggested reading for anyone who needs a refresher or some inspiration. I think most of us need it at one time or another.

 

[andromedaslove]

First, I want to say thank you to those of you concerned about my blister. I felt like a real whinercomplaining about the blister, and I think that made me realize it wasn't my blister as much as it was just a stonker of a run. From the very beginning I wanted to quit. For some reason my heart just wasn't in the running, even though my head told me to get out there and get it done. I went and bought new socks last night, hopefully these won't rub. My old ones had gotten little balls on them (kind of like the ones on an old sweater) and I think that is what was rubbing on that spot. I have worn this same brand of socks in all my training last year too. So hopefully the new ones will be better. I have decided that I am gonna swap last week for this week. I am gonna use last week as my step back week, and redo this week again. I'll get in my 16 this week, 18 next, and then TOT the week after that. I feel that in comparison to what some of you have going on with injuries that I really shouldn't be complaining at all. So thank you for listening to me whine. I hope that everyone who is feeling bad starts to feel better soon.

Cam - I am glad to hear that your back is feeling better. Keep up with the meds and get this thing taken care of right so you can be back out there with us in January!!

 

[escape]

Thanks, Cam, for the book suggestions. I read JB's book, Marathoning for Mortals, and I got all pumped up to do the half this past January. I have not read Courage to Start or the First Marathons book but it sounds like I need to.

Right now, I'm kind of in a slump. I'm getting the steps in but I have been questioning my reasoning for training for this marathon. It seems like this training has consumed every fiber in my body. I have my highs, I have my lows. Sometimes I feel like I can conquer the world; other times, I wonder why I'm putting my body through all this pain.

I like what you said about the speed. My goal is to finish within the required time. And, in light of the Chicago Marathon yesterday, I started having my doubts - especially if Disney has this kind of heat in January. Of course, I've got to get those thoughts out of my head!!! I just need to concentrate on getting my 10 miles in this Saturday and not worry about what's going to happen in January. First things, first!

 

[HMHunters]

Hi WISHers!

I learned a lesson this morning -- trying to run after a weekend away where all you eat is junk food is not the best idea. My systems were all off and instead of doing my 50 minute run it morphed into a 50 minute run/walk and then ended up being a 40 minute walk/run. STONKER!!! Glad I had that great 14 miler on Friday so I'm not freaking out too much. I sure am eager for some cooler weather, though!

Mel - The humidity is killing me. Hate it!

tiberius - WTG getting your 6.5 in!

Kim - Happy belated Thanksgiving!

WWDave - Happy belated birthday!

Kelley - PD for your knee in the marathon on Saturday!

Stephanie - I think this year we're re-defining "fall" weather. Hot and humid.

Nancy - WTG on the 8 mile walk!

Terri - Good job getting the 5K done - did you get your 5 miles in today?

Laurie - Great pacing on your long run!

Susie - PD for DH's job situation - my DH is in the same boat!

Lisa - Congrats on becoming a walking walker, not a walking runner! Hope it helps with the rehab.

Colleen - Hope the 3rd opinion gives you peace of mind with your diagnosis

Jen - 108 laps!?! I'd be dizzy!

Martha - WTG with the 13 miler!

Craig - Congrats on your half - great time!!!

Melissa - WTG on the century ride!!

Angie - Thanks for sharing the RFTT pics - can't wait to get some id on those WISHers!

Kristin - Congrats on your first half! Great time - and a pr, of course!!

Vic - Way to git r done with the 9 miler!

Dana - I would just keep moving with your plan and forget about the 16 miler turning into 10. That's what I've done.

Cam - Glad the back is healing. I read the Bingham article and really liked it, too!

Jackie - PD for your doctor visit on Wednesday - hope it's good news! Soccer went really well this weekend; DS won all games and so took home the medal. In fact, their cumulative score for all 4 games was 21-4. VA Beach had GREAT fields!!

Lily - My run this morning pretty much turned into a stroll. Sigh. Happens to all of us!

Lou - Congrats on the 18 mile race! Great pace! I thought 10:30 was awfully late to start that long of a race.

Sorry to any I missed.

Happy training, all!
Renee

 

[Honeibee]

Greetings Racing Team -

Total WTO this morning. What's up with that?? What do these people WANT from me?!?!?!

Six miles on Saturday. I can tell I've been 1) slacking off my training and 2) spending way too much time on the track. A hill at mile 4 just about wiped me out. It was one of those "WHY do I go THIS WAY???" hills that goes on for-eva!

6.0 miles
1:18:03
1) 13:27
2) 13:22
3) 11:28
4) 14:07
5) 13:36
6) 11:59

Hummmm, Judy hasn't showed up yet this weekend? Well I guess she figured we would just try to talk her out of it any way. I know it's a night race and all but a walking ala natural is pushing the envelope a bit to far. We really need to talk her out of this.

Dave - I'm here. They just expected me to actually DO something when I showed up for work this morning. Well, we'll just see about that, won't we!

Cam - I started reading MFM again last night too! I way miscalculated and today was actually the first day of my MFM Walk the Half training. Which is fine. So I'm two weeks ahead of schedule. Anyway, I was making a copy of the schedule and the book opened to a page I had highlighted the first time I read it. It's where he says to treat L/R's like a car wreck. That your body has to take some time to recover from the damage. Guess I should copy that page and hang it on the wall where I'll see it every single day.

I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to everyone, as I see we have some major things going on here. and to everyone who could use 'em. I have to pretend like I'm working now.

 

[lourodrigis]

Lou - Congrats on the 18 mile race! Great pace! I thought 10:30 was awfully late to start that long of a race.

Thanks!

I agree with the late race time. I never run between 10AM-2PM to avoid the heat so I was totally unprepared for the weather on Sunday.

This race is organized by a local Catholic church, not a big company, and people are allowed to register as late as 9:30AM on race day. Also, most people, like me, picked up their race package on the day of the race because LBI is really out of the way. I think they needed to morning hours to get ready. Plus they bus people from the church to the start (7 miles away).

It was just real tough to run during the peak sunlight hours on a day that went up to 89 degrees.

 

[Pungodingy]

I have some questions, hope someone here can help!

I am up to 8 miles, but not quite on pace, do you think I will be ready for the Half in January, or am I kidding myself that I can do it?

I am still getting terrible headaches after doing anything over 4 miles, I've increased my water intake, and have been eating more before I head out, but still get them about 2 hours after I finish. Any input on how to prevent this?

And, my last question for now, is there anything I can do for chaffing, other than lubricants? My sports bra is already very snug, I think if I went any tighter, I would not be able to breath, but the more running I do, the more painful it's getting.

TIA!

 

[Calcio]

Dana

I always wear 2 pair of socks, which are actually 3 when I train.

Closest to the skin I wear a super thin and light sock. I've had good luck with both running socks and bike socks from companies like DeFeet and Save our Soles. They are thin, slip, and wick moisture.

Over this layer I wear Double Layer socks. I'm not sure who makes them, but you can find them at running stores. They literally are 2 super thin layers in a single sock, also very light.

This way I have, in theory, a layer on the skin, a layer on the shoe, and lots of slipping in between, but no slipping on my feet. It works wonderfully (expect for my darn heel spurs, which require gobs of vaseline on the hot spot in the shoe and on the sock to keep my heels from blistering). If I'm going really long I also put goop all around my toes to protect them.

Ciao

Craig

 

[lourodrigis]

Have we already discussed John Bingham's awesome article in this month's Runners' World? I was so impressed that he faced that philosophy head on.

BTW, I started re-reading "Courage to Start" this weekend. Getting myself geared up for the full marathon is taking a lot more mental something than I seem to have in me right now. I vacillate between pessimism and enthusiasm/optimism. Based on my experience last year, I think I can only do better and without the "unforseen complication" of this year's experience, I should be fine, but just getting past the mental hurdle of "why in the world am I doing this?" will require some effort.

Reading "First Marathons" is really helping a LOT, even though each of those contributors ran, or at least set out to run, their marathons. I cried during some part of each of those accounts. At whatever level we do this -- those who are running 8 minute or 9 minute or 10 minute miles or those of us working and hoping to meet the minimum 16 minute walking pace -- the fact that we share this bond of driving ourselves and improving ourselves and being out there with other like-minded individuals - THAT is what this is all about. I would note, however, that many of those runners whose accoun ts appear in "First Marathons" didn't run their first marathons until they were my age or even older. So, maybe someday I'll run more than I'll walk. But whatever I do for the full this year -- I am determined to do this one strong. Maybe then I'll be able to feel like it is an accomplishment that I can check off my list. Running the half will be my goal for 2009.

Just thought I'd put those two books out there as suggested reading for anyone who needs a refresher or some inspiration. I think most of us need it at one time or another.

Cam - Thanks for the tips on the books. I am going to have to check them out.

I'm with you on the mental toughness part of this whole marathon training. I was doing great until this weekend when I ran this 18-mile run. This was the first time I felt the "why am I doing this to myself" thing you describe. Between the extreme pain in my feet and the heat I was beginning to doubt why I am doing this.

However, 24 hours after the race I have forgotten about the pain (minus the slight soreness I feel right now) and am back to being determined to run a marathon. I figured reading a few books may help me to mentally prepare. On the physical side, I realized I have more to do and probably need to get more serious (i.e. more cross training and weights and better diet).

 

[keenercam]

Lou, I think you have to give yourself a tremendous amount of credit for doing so well in a race of that length which was so much longer than you'd done before, in the blistering heat. BTW, my dear friend (and partner) was at the race and finished right behind you. She asked me if I knew what you look like since she thinks she was right behind you almost the whole time. Small world, huh?

 

[Honeibee]

However, 24 hours after the race I have forgotten about the pain (minus the slight soreness I feel right now) and am back to being determined to run a marathon.

This is on my screensaver.....

The pain is temporary. The pride is forever.

 

[keenercam]

This is on my screensaver.....

The pain is temporary. The pride is forever.

Brilliant minds think alike. Mine says in huge letters "MARATHON . . . The pain is temporary. The pride is forever."
I also have this as a sign in my office and a window sticker on my car. LOL!!!!

 

[escape]

I have some questions, hope someone here can help!

I am up to 8 miles, but not quite on pace, do you think I will be ready for the Half in January, or am I kidding myself that I can do it?

I am still getting terrible headaches after doing anything over 4 miles, I've increased my water intake, and have been eating more before I head out, but still get them about 2 hours after I finish. Any input on how to prevent this?

And, my last question for now, is there anything I can do for chaffing, other than lubricants? My sports bra is already very snug, I think if I went any tighter, I would not be able to breath, but the more running I do, the more painful it's getting.

TIA!

I can answer the question about the pace. I started training for the 2007 WDW half last October 2 using John Bingham's Marathoning for Mortals walk/run plan. It took me about a month of training to get within the required pace and that was just barely within the time limit. So yes, this is very doable for you.

Just curious - Are you preparing for another race between now and January? I didn't even get to the 8 mile LRs until mid to late November so you are way ahead of where I was this time last year. Of course, I'm sure you are following a different plan. I had to build up to that mileage and as I was building up, I tried to increase my speed as well. By the time I got to the 8-miler, I was within the required time. Again, that was in mid to late November of last year so you still have time to get a little faster.

As for the chafing, I use Body Glide and that seems to work for me. Other than the lubricants, I'm not sure what to tell you.

For you headaches, I don't know. Now, I will say that I do get headaches training in the heat. Maybe that has something to do with it? On hot days, I train inside. I'm a wimp.

Good luck with your training. You can do it!

 

[gatorphipps]

I I am trying to figure out what I need to do as far as my training now. This week was supposed to be a 16LR, then next week a step back week, after that an 18LR, then TOT. I did get in 15 miles last week. Should I just continue with my schedule as planned and run my 18 in two weeks, or should I try to get in another LR this week too? If anyone has any advice, suggestions, or pick me ups, I could probably use them right now.
Dana

Dana I am sorry you had a hard LR! I totally understand....Can I ask a question? Why are you so high on LR mileage already. Are you doing a marathon b/4 WDW? I may have missed this.
Also What does your plan look like? I see that you are doing:
15 (last week)
16 (this week)
step back...what is the miles for that?
18 in 2 weeks
TOT
Then what...
I ask b/c I normally in my training do 14, 12, 16, 12, 18, 12, 20, 12 and so on. But I don't know what plan you use. Just make sure you are not over training. You body needs to rest so it was probably good that you did 10 this week. I don't want you to think that I think I know everything about running....cause I don't. I just don't want you to get hurt b/c of too much miles or something.
With all that said If you are still going to do your 18 as planned (in 2 weeks, do not try 16...do 12. If you are redoing your schedule, and this training is for WDW then I would do:
16 this week
12 - 10/20
TOT - 10/27...or that weekend...not sure of the date.
16 again - 11/03
12 - 11/10.........on tricharlotte (the plan goes to 24 miles) this is the 18 mile run...but I bet you are not planning on going that far up in miles.
18 - 11/17
12 - 11/24
20 - 12/1
12 - 12/8
22 - 12/15
12-15 - 12/22
8-10 - 12/29
5 - 1/5
Marathon the next week
THat gives you some play room too with miles.

My run today:
Kept it on 7 until mile 5.5 then upped it to 7.5. At 6 miles I upped it to 8 and ran the last mile at an 8. I hit the emergancy STOP button 2ce and could not get the treadmill to restart, but this is add into the time.
7 miles in 59.22 8.26 pace

 

[windwalker]

Brilliant minds think alike. Mine says in huge letters "MARATHON . . . The pain is temporary. The pride is forever."
I also have this as a sign in my office and a window sticker on my car. LOL!!!!

You ladies rock. Lots of toughness in you gals.

Erica and I went for a 12 miler today. We had planned to do 14 but it was 90degrees by the time we called it a day. I thought this was fall!

Erica bought some new Ecco Yucatan sandals in one size larger so today was a check out for them. She has decided to try the Ecco running shoe for a winter shoe. She has done all her summer and fall training in the sandals.

I have yet to pack properly for Disney, there is just so much you can pack.

Have a great day y'all.

Dave