POT (Proof of Time) Race Equivalency Cutoff Confirmed Times

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  1. DopeyBadger

    DopeyBadger Imagathoner

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    Hi all,

    I figured runners of all the different runDisney races would be interested in the following information. I've got a confirmed set of POT (proof of time) cutoffs for the 2:45 HM and 5:30 M times based on the runDisney race equivalency calculation.

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    So, if you are looking to have a POT submittable time, then your POT should be faster than what is listed above. So a 1:14 10k is fast enough to be a POT submittable time. But a 1:16 10k does not appear to be fast enough to be considered POT submittable.

    Since we have these, I've used this to help convert what I believe to be very close to the corral cutoffs. Since runDisney has moved away from the "lots of corrals with set number of people model" to a "small number of corral based on a set POT and do mini-wave" system, then these corral cutoffs should presumably be translatable across all the runDisney weekends (Princess, Marathon, Avengers, Star Wars, etc.).

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    The orange values are the confirmed cutoffs and the rest are just educated guesses based on math.

    To read this chart, let's say you wanted to be in Corral B of a HM (or HM with Challenge). Then runDisney seems to have placed that at a 2:00 HM race equivalent. So you would need to run at least a POT under 54:33 for 10k, 1:06:11 for 12k, 1:24:00 for 15k, or 1:30:24 for 10 miler.

    Let's say you were aiming for Corral D of the Marathon, or Goofy, or Dopey Challenge (Goofy and Dopey are seeded based on the Marathon POT conversion). Then you'd need at least a 1:45:55 10 miler, or a 2:21:52 HM.

    If you select a non-POT submittable finish, then you'll be asked for an "estimated finish".

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    If you choose 2:46-3:00 HM, then you will be placed in Corral F for the HM. If you choose 3:16-3:30, then you will be placed in Corral H.

    Same goes for the 5k/10k (either as a solo event or as a challenge). What you choose from the drop-down will determine Corral position for that event.

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    I hope this helps and let me know if there is any confusion!

    ETA: I updated the race equivalency corral breakdown chart into a more readable format.
     
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  2. GreatLakes

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    Wow, that is a liberal time for A. Thanks for the hard work.
     
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  4. DopeyBadger

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    From the 2018 HM and M at Marathon Weekend:

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    1517 bibs in A of Marathon and 1287 bibs in A of Half Marathon. So a significant change from the past (like 2017) where there more like 500-600 bibs in A.
     
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  5. Keels

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    Yeah, but corrals went through P in 2017 and earlier so we have the new mini waves to thank for the new corral capacity.
     
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  6. PointerPower

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    Thanks DopeyBadger for putting this together!

    It gives me another thing to obsess about until the 2019 Marathon weekend.

    When running Wine and Dine Lumiere's Challenge in 2016, I submitted a POT of 1:44:22 Half Marathon time and ended up in corral A for 10k and corral B for the Half Marathon. Your tables line up very closely with that.
     
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  7. DopeyBadger

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    Agreed. This was the 2017 full corral breakdown.

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    Back then they seemed to be focused on # of bibs per corral. But now with the new mini-wave system, they seem to be focused on a set POT cutoff for each corral. Honestly, it seems like doing the new system makes it significantly easier for themselves.

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    The 2016 Wine and Dine was back in the day of more corrals with possibly no mini-waves. So slightly different then what I believe is their new system. So your 2016 time lining up might have just been coincidence to the possible new method.
     
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    Keels The Official Keels of RunDisney

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    I used the same HM time I mentioned in the other thread that I emailed RunDisney about and I was in A/B for the Dark Side Challenge this year.
     
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  9. PointerPower

    PointerPower Earning My Ears

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    It's interesting to see the cutoff times of 2016 -- my bib number was about 20 from Corral A. I didn't realize it was so close. Even in corral B, the course was never crowded and the character lines were always short. Hoping that it'll be the same experience with the Marathon in 2019..
     
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  10. GreatLakes

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    I know rD skews slower but 1:50 just seems slow for an A coral. No judgement, just surprise.
     
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    The key difference between your B for Wine and Dine in 2016 and the B for 2019 marathon weekend will be the number of people ahead of you. Without running the numbers, Wine and Dine would have been around 500 whereas Marathon weekend would be about 1500. That goes back to the less corrals and mini wave idea. Still not very crowded though.
     
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  12. PointerPower

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    I agree. I ran Chicago Marathon last year with a Marathon POT of 3:52 and was placed in F corral (out of P, I think). 1:50 HM isn't that fast in most big races. No judgement here - I'm definitely not fast :)
     
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    I updated the OP with a more readable format of the race equivalency corral breakdown chart.

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    This post should get a sticky or something at the top of the board. Thanks for putting in the work!
     
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    This is great information... I was aiming for a 2:10 half, but now I can be a little slower and still be in coral D.
     
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    I finished the 10K with a chip time of 1:14:36! It sounds so silly but I was so happy to be under 1:15 for POT purposes!

    I know 1:15 was confirmed in a previous email, so does that mean I’m safe for entry into corral E (the first POT corral)? Should I send an email and see what they say? I want to make sure I don’t need another run, because 10Ks are so few and far between. If I do, I’ll have to start searching again ASAP!
     
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    Congrats!

    I'd say you're as safe as we can believe. But you're more than welcome to send an additional email to them to confirm. But your sub-1:15 seems like it'll be what you're looking for in terms of getting into Corral E (or its equivalent).
     
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  18. Marc A.

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    Have a POT question for the Star Wars half...can I use my 10k from the marathon weekend 2018 for this or does it have to be from a half marathon?
     
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    For the 2019 Star Wars Rival Run Weekend (April 4-7th, 2019), you can submit a 10k time for your HM POT that is from April 1st, 2017 or sooner. So yes, the 2018 Marathon Weekend 10k would be within that timeframe and qualifies for HM POT submission. They usually give you about a 2 year timeframe.

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  20. Marc A.

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    Awesome, thanks. Does rundisney track old race times? Or do I need to provide a link?
     
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    You will need to provide a link. They don't track old races on their own. Act as if the Marathon Weekend 10k was from a completely unrelated event to runDisney.
     
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