Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

Yep, I sure do and I think SOME would make wonderful congress members.

If it helps, as much as I would be opposed to a rule stating that they all must have military experience, I would be equally opposed to a rule stating they couldn't have any military experience. I do not think military experience is the end all, be all for effective leadership. I am very pleased that we continue to elect people that have served and those that haven't served.

I agree with you that military experience shouldn't be a pre-requisite, but an entire Senate of ex military wouldn't concern me a bit because it is such a diverse group of people. I don't understand why that would be such a issue for you.
 
Wow! I'm truly amazed that this thread has remained so "civil" but very glad to see it! Some great points have been raised on both sides of the fence!

I personally hate the whole two party system we have in the US, especially during an election year that offers two very different candidates both lacking "something" so they both seem incomplete to me. But since this is a thread about why people are scared of Obama, let me just add that I have watched every campaign stop he has made over the past couple of weeks, speeches and all.

He is a VERY charismatic individual, very Clintonesque, IMHO. I enjoy listening to his speak, but then I stop to think - WHY is he campaigning in Europe? To prove that he can be a good president with foreign policy experience. But should he really have to prove that? If he's got the foreign policy experience, that's that, no European campaigning needed to "prove" it.

Also, why does he cancel stops that won't allow video cameras? i.e. the US military hospital in Germany? This all seems to be for show, nothing substantive.

I think the fact of the matter (at least for me!) is that Obama is a young, attractive, charismatic nominee at the surface, but once you dig a little deeper you find that there's not much beneath that shell that is capable of leading our nation. Flat out, he's inexperienced. Will he immaturely choose advisors with whom he'll surround himself in the White House? That is my fear.
 
I'm a US Army Brat. Born, bred, and raised by an officer Dad who proudly served in Korea and Viet Nam. My family was stationed in Germany for 10 years and we had the opportunity to visit many other nations. My Dad was there the night the Berlin wall went up (and cut pieces of the original concertina wire) and he was in Berlin the day the wall came down (and has pieces he chipped out with a chisel borrowed from a 20-something German). He loves freedom, he loves this country and he taught us kids the same thing.

That said, what YOU have said hits the nail on the head. Americans in general have NO SENSE of the global community and see the world only through red, white, and blue glasses. If Americans (in general) could set aside the national arrogance for a few moments and consider that there might actually be another country that is "better" than our own, it would be eye-opening (and a miracle ;) )

Punkin's remark, "Maybe it's because people are still uncomfortable about a crowd of Germans hailing a little known charismatic leader who promises change" clearly demonstrates the narrow-minded and patently offensive thinking that Americans (in general) promulgate by implying that somehow, Germans are not to be trusted and have not learned the lessons of the past. It's no wonder the rest of the world hates America. :sad2:

Me thinks you generalize too much.

Since you stated your Dad instilled in you and your siblings the love for freedom and love for our country, what do you love about those?
 
John McCain does not share your view:



Read the whole article here: http://mediamatters.org/items/200807220001




Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone lays down their life for their country, they're dead...kind of makes it hard to vote (unless of course you are registered in Chicago).

What I meant was, how can you try to run the country if you haven't thought about putting your life on the line for it? Sorry I wasn't as precise as you wanted me to be. I thought I got my point across.
 

I kind of understand how you feel. I was raised in two fine countries and it makes me wince sometimes when I see the comments made by some here. It's fine to think that your own country is the best but I dislike seeing other great places get slammed in the process. Plus I remember that people from other countries use these boards too and some of the things said are downright vicious.
Anyway, I don't know much about Canada but I like what I've seen so you won't get that nonsense from me! :thumbsup2

Americans and America are slammed all the time from nearly every corner of the world yet our borders are bursting at the seams with people trying to get in. Quite perplexing.
 
Flat out, he's inexperienced. Will he immaturely choose advisors with whom he'll surround himself in the White House? That is my fear.

Base on the success of his campaign to this point. The fact that he came from being an extreme underdog to beating the "Clinton Machine". The fact that he's raised more money by far than anyone else through non-traditional methods. And the fact that he (at this juncture) is favored to win the Presidency.......I would have to state that he has demonstrated just the opposite. That he is quite capable of assembling a very fine team of advisors and succeeding beyond anyones expectations.
 
Base on the success of his campaign to this point. The fact that he came from being an extreme underdog to beating the "Clinton Machine". The fact that he's raised more money by far than anyone else through non-traditional methods. And the fact that he (at this juncture) is favored to win the Presidency.......I would have to state that he has demonstrated just the opposite. That he is quite capable of assembling a very fine team of advisors and succeeding beyond anyones expectations.

Yep, when you beat the Clintons at their best game...it's pretty obvious he has the ability to choose capable people.
 
How narrow minded.

Do you really think the normal plain German cheered for Hitler out of free will ?
It was just a matter of join them ore you would be seen a traitor.

Yes. He was very charismatic and after Germany was laid low by the Versailles Treaty following WWI, he gave them a direction and hope out of their malaise, failing economy and national shame. Beware of false prophets and charismatic leaders.
 
Base on the success of his campaign to this point. The fact that he came from being an extreme underdog to beating the "Clinton Machine". The fact that he's raised more money by far than anyone else through non-traditional methods. And the fact that he (at this juncture) is favored to win the Presidency.......I would have to state that he has demonstrated just the opposite. That he is quite capable of assembling a very fine team of advisors and succeeding beyond anyones expectations.

So IOW, Obama has a Rove in his employ.
 
Yep, when you beat the Clintons at their best game...it's pretty obvious he has the ability to choose capable people.

And yet, Bush "stole" the election from Gore and Kerry.
 
Revisionist claptrap.
How many Germans voted for the National Socialist Party and Hitler in the free elections of 1933? Over 17 MILLION.
Don't give me that rubbish about WW2 being the sole responsibility of a handful of socialist zealots whilst all the "good" Germans sat wringing their hands and hoping it would all be over. Many were out smashing up Jewish businesses on Krystalnacht or queueing to join the Wehrmacht or the SS so they could steal land and possessions across Europe from people they considered inferior human beings.
The Allied Forces, who were composed of far more than just American soldiers by the way, were fighting an army made up of ordinary Germans hellbent on following their Fuhrer's plans for world domination. The only reason for Germans pretending otherwise is because they lost.

ford family

My parents were born a raised in Germany (immigrated to the U.S. in the late 50's), both of their fathers were drafted into the German Army, and lost their lives somewhere in Russia. They did not go out a signup to fight some war or follow the commands of Hitler.

Your account of how the Nazis and Hitler rose to power is missing a lot. It was a progression over several years and several elections, and ultimatly a major dupe during the formation of a coalition govt. The masses did not come out a vote the Nazis into power overnight.

Saddam used his Republic Guard as a stong arm to keep Iraqis from deserting the frontline, Hitler did the same with the SS. Hitler used the SS to keep everyone inline.
 
Most recent gallup poll: McCain 48%, Obama 45%

Yes I saw that. And while I've never given much stock to any poll, I seriously suspect this one is somehow flawed. Everything yesterday had Obama up between 8 and 9 points and not much of anything occurred in the last 24 hrs that would potentially cause a 14 point swing. Lets see if this new poll holds .
 
I'm a US Army Brat. Born, bred, and raised by an officer Dad who proudly served in Korea and Viet Nam. My family was stationed in Germany for 10 years and we had the opportunity to visit many other nations. My Dad was there the night the Berlin wall went up (and cut pieces of the original concertina wire) and he was in Berlin the day the wall came down (and has pieces he chipped out with a chisel borrowed from a 20-something German). He loves freedom, he loves this country and he taught us kids the same thing.

That said, what YOU have said hits the nail on the head. Americans in general have NO SENSE of the global community and see the world only through red, white, and blue glasses. If Americans (in general) could set aside the national arrogance for a few moments and consider that there might actually be another country that is "better" than our own, it would be eye-opening (and a miracle ;) )

Punkin's remark, "Maybe it's because people are still uncomfortable about a crowd of Germans hailing a little known charismatic leader who promises change" clearly demonstrates the narrow-minded and patently offensive thinking that Americans (in general) promulgate by implying that somehow, Germans are not to be trusted and have not learned the lessons of the past. It's no wonder the rest of the world hates America. :sad2:

I think it is "narrow-minded and patently offensive" to make a blanket statement about "Americans in general…." If someone on here said "Germans in general…" or "Canadians in general…" they would be jumped all over by other posters. Americans have not cornered the market on national pride and, in fact, are most welcoming — and accommodating — of people from all nations, races, creeds, etc. Disagreeing vehemently and loudly with those who say this is an evil country that must be "fixed" is not an expression of "national arrogance," but rather a wholly reasoned defense of a nation that has shed more blood for the cause of freedom around the world than any other — and which everyone knows will be called upon to do that in the future as well.

You may call it "national arrogance." I call it reasoned and rational thinking. This is the greatest country in the world, and apparently 1 million immigrants each year agree with me. In fact, the US accepts more immigrants as permanent residents each year than any other country.

And American patriotism isn't borne of ignorance. We have the freest press in the world. We read, study, travel. We know what we have seen and learned. When the UN Human Rights Commission is composed of the likes of Congo, Cuba, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Zimbabwe, many of us believe, then, that the UN and its member nations know nothing about human rights. So, no, we do not take the lectures of that "world community" seriously — nor its criticisms.

When the world cannot condemn the Middle East's horrific misogyny and religious bigotry, Europe's simmering racism (how many blacks are in the parliaments of France, Germany, England?), Africa's violent and repressive regimes, and the wholesale denial of basic human freedoms (inalienable rights) in such places as Cuba, Venezuela and China — yet they find all the time in the world to condemn the United States — well, yes, that rankles me and others. It makes everything that "world community" says utterly meaningless.

When they clean up their own houses. When they condemn those who are killing, raping, maiming as part of their national policy. When they DEMAND that all nations have free speech, unrestricted movement, women's rights, and a fair and accessible legal system. When they stop defending — or worse, ignoring — gross violations of human rights and outright genocide all over the globe. When the "world community" condemns Islamofascism as the primitive and violent movement that it is, then I might give an ear to their criticisms of the US. Until then, all this anti-Americanism is just a smoke screen to keep us from noticing that other nasty stuff that no one wants to confront.
 
Wow it seems you where there.

How can you judge an whole nation ?

What are you, Dutch?

In Holland they have a saying, probably not from your generation:
The bad Germans we hang at the front of the house.
The good Germans we hang at the back of the house.


ford family
 
What are you, Dutch?

In Holland they have a saying, probably not from your generation:
The bad Germans we hang at the front of the house.
The good Germans we hang at the back of the house.


ford family

Geesh. That's just wrong and I'm not German.
 
My take on Obama is he is nothing more than a puppet. He cannot form a complete sentence without it being on paper. Ever hear him in an interview? How many ahhh,ummmm, errrr's can you say in once sentence. So that tells me that he is speaking for someone else and cannot answer anything without those people telling him what to say.

Sure he is a very good speaker. But we are not electing a motivational speaker, we are electing the POTUS.

I prefer a non-milli vanilli president.

Kristine

He stutters. ok and your point is???????
Are you saying he is ignorant????
Did someone help him get through Harvard Law as well?????
President of the Harvard Law Review????

I guess McCain got an "F" in Geography
or can I say it may be early dementia?
 





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