Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

[loco4dis]

He stutters. ok and your point is???????
Are you saying he is ignorant????
Did someone help him get through Harvard Law as well?????
President of the Harvard Law Review????

I guess McCain got an "F" in Geography
or can I say it may be early dementia?

If someone made a similarly bigoted statement about Obama's race, you'd go apoplectic, but bigotry about age? That A-OK with you Obama people. Well I've got a sharp-as-a-tack 71-year-old mother who thinks you're an idiot — and she's not voting for Obama.

And just so we can keep up to date, could you please list all the other groups of people you're comfortable being bigoted about?

 

[rayelias]

Americans and America are slammed all the time from nearly every corner of the world yet our borders are bursting at the seams with people trying to get in. Quite perplexing.

And even posters in this very thread slam (or question our ethics, place in the world, or our importance at the least) America and Americans while others follow up with cheers for those posts.

And you know what? Almost all of them have Obama icons in their siggies.

Yes. Quite perplexing.

At least they echo the mindset of their candidate.

 

[DawnCt1]

That's quite the right wing spin.

Gallup's own web site says something completely different;

Obama 48% McCain 40%

http://www.gallup.com/tag/Gallup+Daily.aspx

That is the poll from Gallup's registered voters. This is the results of Gallup's poll of likely voters;

Originally Posted by karajeboo
Most recent gallup poll: McCain 48%, Obama 45%

 

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If someone made a similarly bigoted statement about Obama's race, you'd go apoplectic, but bigotry about age? That A-OK with you Obama people. Well I've got a sharp-as-a-tack 71-year-old mother who thinks you're an idiot — and she's not voting for Obama.

And just so we can keep up to date, could you please list all the other groups of people you're comfortable being bigoted about?

Ummmmm...me thinks that was an attempt at sarcasm rather than bigotry. Or perhaps I'm mistaken (but I don't think so).

 

[DawnCt1]

Like Maccain?

McCain may be a lot of things to a lot of people, but no one would say that he is charismatic.

 

[JonS99]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109132/Assessing-Impact-Obamas-Trip.aspx

Mentions a poll of likely voters, McCain up 49-45.. Saw something the other night on CNN about how the gap is narrowing in a few key states..

In the end, I think more and more people will get nervous about Obama, realize he is a snake oil salesman and vote McCain.

 

[DawnCt1]

My parents were born a raised in Germany (immigrated to the U.S. in the late 50's), both of their fathers were drafted into the German Army, and lost their lives somewhere in Russia. They did not go out a signup to fight some war or follow the commands of Hitler.

Your account of how the Nazis and Hitler rose to power is missing a lot. It was a progression over several years and several elections, and ultimatly a major dupe during the formation of a coalition govt. The masses did not come out a vote the Nazis into power overnight.

Saddam used his Republic Guard as a stong arm to keep Iraqis from deserting the frontline, Hitler did the same with the SS. Hitler used the SS to keep everyone inline.

Your grandfathers were drafted into the German Army. Our fathers and grandfathers were drafted in the US Army, your point? Hitler and the Nazi party rose to power because he offered Germany hope and a promise of a better tomorrow and they bought it. After Hitler was deeply involved in WWII, he did use the SS to keep people in line, by then he was a dictator. He started out being overwhelmingly, popularly elected and worshipped.

 

[sjaakie]

What are you, Dutch?

In Holland they have a saying, probably not from your generation:
The bad Germans we hang at the front of the house.
The good Germans we hang at the back of the house.

ford family

I know all my sayings very well and that's surely not one of them.

 

[DawnCt1]

Revisionist claptrap.
How many Germans voted for the National Socialist Party and Hitler in the free elections of 1933? Over 17 MILLION.
Don't give me that rubbish about WW2 being the sole responsibility of a handful of socialist zealots whilst all the "good" Germans sat wringing their hands and hoping it would all be over. Many were out smashing up Jewish businesses on Krystalnacht or queueing to join the Wehrmacht or the SS so they could steal land and possessions across Europe from people they considered inferior human beings.
The Allied Forces, who were composed of far more than just American soldiers by the way, were fighting an army made up of ordinary Germans hellbent on following their Fuhrer's plans for world domination. The only reason for Germans pretending otherwise is because they lost.

ford family

Absolutely true!

 

[sjaakie]

Your grandfathers were drafted into the German Army. Our fathers and grandfathers were drafted in the US Army, your point? Hitler and the Nazi party rose to power because he offered Germany hope and a promise of a better tomorrow and they bought it. After Hitler was deeply involved in WWII, he did use the SS to keep people in line, by then he was a dictator. He started out being overwhelmingly, popularly elected and worshipped.

But only with the help of steelgigants like Krupp and Thyssen who's only goal was getting the warmachine started and make profits from it.

That were the real Hitlers and not that Austrian lunatic.

 

[JaxJags08]

Base on the success of his campaign to this point. The fact that he came from being an extreme underdog to beating the "Clinton Machine". The fact that he's raised more money by far than anyone else through non-traditional methods. And the fact that he (at this juncture) is favored to win the Presidency.......I would have to state that he has demonstrated just the opposite. That he is quite capable of assembling a very fine team of advisors and succeeding beyond anyones expectations.

Yes, like choosing his spiritual advisor Reverend Wright.

 

[karajeboo]

Yes I saw that. And while I've never given much stock to any poll, I seriously suspect this one is somehow flawed. Everything yesterday had Obama up between 8 and 9 points and not much of anything occurred in the last 24 hrs that would potentially cause a 14 point swing. Lets see if this new poll holds .

I think it will go back and forth for the next 3 months.

That is the poll from Gallup's registered voters. This is the results of Gallup's poll of likely voters;

Originally Posted by karajeboo
Most recent gallup poll: McCain 48%, Obama 45%

Exactly. Because when it comes right down to it, college students and young activists do not the bulk of voters make.

 

[JaxJags08]

He stutters. ok and your point is???????
Are you saying he is ignorant????
Did someone help him get through Harvard Law as well?????
President of the Harvard Law Review????

I guess McCain got an "F" in Geography
or can I say it may be early dementia?

You all don't seem to have a problem calling Bush ignorant and he went to Yale and got his MBA from Harvard Business School.

 

[DawnCt1]

But only with the help of steelgigants like Krupp and Thyssen who's only goal was getting the warmachine started and make profits from it.

That were the real Hitlers and not that Austrian lunatic.

So "Hitler" was someone's puppet? Hitler was who he was. His goal and his promise was to rebuild Germany. He used what tools he had available. Sounds like more revisionism to me. Next you will tell me that the Holocaust didn't really happen.

 

[DawnCt1]

And even posters in this very thread slam (or question our ethics, place in the world, or our importance at the least) America and Americans while others follow up with cheers for those posts.

And you know what? Almost all of them have Obama icons in their siggies.

Yes. Quite perplexing.

At least they echo the mindset of their candidate.

Isn't that the truth!

 

[Magic Mom]

You all don't seem to have a problem calling Bush ignorant and he went to Yale and got his MBA from Harvard Business School.

yeah, but that's different because...well just because!

 

[NowaSki]

Your grandfathers were drafted into the German Army. Our fathers and grandfathers were drafted in the US Army, your point? Hitler and the Nazi party rose to power because he offered Germany hope and a promise of a better tomorrow and they bought it. After Hitler was deeply involved in WWII, he did use the SS to keep people in line, by then he was a dictator. He started out being overwhelmingly, popularly elected and worshipped.

My point is that the not all Germans were in favor of Hitler and his plans (the plans they were aware of). Not all Germans were out there goose stepping with one arm in the air.

Hitler did not gain power by election. Germany had a multi part system, and the Nazis were able to gain a control over a large part of Parliment (but far from a majority), by catering to the poor and the peasentry. With no one party being able to control a majorty of the parliment, Hitler was asked to form a coalition govt with Hindenburg, who then named him Chancellor. By this time things in Germany had started to turn around from the Great Depression, and Hitler was able to take credit for much of the economic turn around, and then gain complete control and turn into a Dictator. He decieved and duped his way to power, but was not overwhelmingly elected to power.

There has never been a U.S. president that had 100% support by the US, so why would anyone think Hitler had 100% support by the Germans? It is just so narrow minded by some people on this board to assume that all Germans signed up for Hilter's plans for world domination, and the Holocaust.

This difference between the German draftees and the US (or other allied draftees), is that the Germans draftees choice was either fight, or be shot dead by the SS.

 

[Magic Mom]

Ummmmm...me thinks that was an attempt at sarcasm rather than bigotry. Or perhaps I'm mistaken (but I don't think so).

Either way, why is it OK to make demeaning jokes about a persons age? The last time I checked age (over 40) was a protected class just as race is.

 

[Tomader]

What I find interesting is the people I have talked with not one of them is voting for Obama. I work in a hospital so I come in contact with alot of different people. Even the people in my family that always vote Democrat are either choosing not to vote or voting for McCain. I really wonder about the polls that are conducted. I'm not implying I talk to millions of people but I really have not come in contact with one person that has great things to say about the guy. My friend who is black is just thrilled that a black man could be President. She would vote for him no matter what. She has even told me she really knows nothing about him but as a black person it's her duty to vote for him. I never felt that way about Hillary. I'm a women and I would have never voted for her. I like to know what a candidate is about before I place my vote. I don't care what their color or gender is.

 

[Charade]

My point is that the not all Germans were in favor of Hitler and his plans (the plans they were aware of). Not all Germans were out there goose stepping with one arm in the air.

Hitler did not gain power by election. Germany had a multi part system, and the Nazis were able to gain a control over a large part of Parliment (but far from a majority), by catering to the poor and the peasentry. With no one party being able to control a majorty of the parliment, Hitler was asked to form a coalition govt with Hindenburg, who then named him Chancellor. By this time things in Germany had started to turn around from the Great Depression, and Hitler was able to take credit for much of the economic turn around, and then gain complete control and turn into a Dictator. He decieved and duped his way to power, but was not overwhelmingly elected to power.

There has never been a U.S. president that had 100% support by the US, so why would anyone think Hitler had 100% support by the Germans? It is just so narrow minded by some people on this board to assume that all Germans signed up for Hilter's plans for world domination, and the Holocaust.

This difference between the German draftees and the US (or other allied draftees), is that the Germans draftees choice was either fight, or be shot dead by the SS.

And yet, so few(?) killed MILLIONS and MILLIONS and MILLONS of innocent people.