Why I'm Scared of an Obama Presidency

[lillygator]

I too wonder about the polls....who are they polling?

 

[karajeboo]

Even the people in my family that always vote Democrat are either choosing not to vote or voting for McCain.

This is what scares me this year - that people just won't vote.

My friend who is black is just thrilled that a black man could be President. She would vote for him no matter what. She has even told me she really knows nothing about him but as a black person it's her duty to vote for him.

This also scares me. People need to be informed before voting. It's not something to take this lightly!

 

[lillygator]

My friend who is black is just thrilled that a black man could be President. She would vote for him no matter what. She has even told me she really knows nothing about him but as a black person it's her duty to vote for him.

her duty?

 

[Magic Mom]

This also scares me. People need to be informed before voting. It's not something to take this lightly!

My mother (life long Democrat) is voting for McCain , but her best friend (also HUGE liberal) isn't voting at all because she can't stand either of them.

 

[loco4dis]

Ummmmm...me thinks that was an attempt at sarcasm rather than bigotry. Or perhaps I'm mistaken (but I don't think so).

Stupid, conservative. When liberals make bigoted statements, it's sarcasm. When conservative do, it's bigotry. You just don't understand the nuance of the American left. You have to be really super intelligent to get it.

 

[punkin]

My mother (life long Democrat) is voting for McCain , but her best friend (also HUGE liberal) isn't voting at all because she can't stand either of them.

Yes, well that's my dilemma too. I really do not want to see McCain as president, but I simply cannot vote for Obama. Right now I am leaning to writing in Hillary and basically throwing my vote out the window.

 

[ford family]

I know all my sayings very well and that's surely not one of them.

Maybe ask your grandfather?
I was told it in a meeting with a client in Rotterdam who became really annoyed by my colleague, a young American of German extraction, who kept telling us (two Dutchmen, a Belgian and an Englishman) what a great country Germany was and how great it was to be over in Europe in the "old country". We shipped him back to Chicago shortly after as he upset too many clients.

ford family

 

[Master Mason]

Base on the success of his campaign to this point. The fact that he came from being an extreme underdog to beating the "Clinton Machine". The fact that he's raised more money by far than anyone else through non-traditional methods. And the fact that he (at this juncture) is favored to win the Presidency.......I would have to state that he has demonstrated just the opposite. That he is quite capable of assembling a very fine team of advisors and succeeding beyond anyones expectations.

Gee and yet when Bush raised more money than others, and assembled a capable team to win him the presidency, he stole it?

Like Maccain?

If you wish to argue about US politics, it might behoove you to learn to spell the candidates name correctly first. It is McCain.

My point is that the not all Germans were in favor of Hitler and his plans (the plans they were aware of). Not all Germans were out there goose stepping with one arm in the air.

Hitler did not gain power by election. Germany had a multi part system, and the Nazis were able to gain a control over a large part of Parliment (but far from a majority), by catering to the poor and the peasentry. With no one party being able to control a majorty of the parliment, Hitler was asked to form a coalition govt with Hindenburg, who then named him Chancellor. By this time things in Germany had started to turn around from the Great Depression, and Hitler was able to take credit for much of the economic turn around, and then gain complete control and turn into a Dictator. He decieved and duped his way to power, but was not overwhelmingly elected to power.

There has never been a U.S. president that had 100% support by the US, so why would anyone think Hitler had 100% support by the Germans? It is just so narrow minded by some people on this board to assume that all Germans signed up for Hilter's plans for world domination, and the Holocaust.

This difference between the German draftees and the US (or other allied draftees), is that the Germans draftees choice was either fight, or be shot dead by the SS.

And exactly what to do you think the alternatives were for the US people drafted during WWII? They did not get to say, no thanks I don't think I'll participate.

As for Germany being such a great place, well, if they had the right to a free press, and the right of free speach, and the right to keep and bare arms, well then they might have been able to protect themselves from a government gone mad could they not? Yet one more reason that the US is infact Superior than them.

And to all those that were cheering the earlier post about other countries being better then the US, I hereby extend to you all my invitation to go live in whatever country you feel is superior, surely you all want to live in such a great place.

 

[Planogirl]

Geesh. That's just wrong and I'm not German.

Those are old feelings from the war. Yes, there was a lot of anger back then but it has faded as it should.

 

[NowaSki]

And exactly what to do you think the alternatives were for the US people drafted during WWII? They did not get to say, no thanks I don't think I'll participate.

The US troops did not have death squads behind the frontlines ready to put a bullet into the back of their heads if they refused to fight.

As for Germany being such a great place, well, if they had the right to a free press, and the right of free speach, and the right to keep and bare arms, well then they might have been able to protect themselves from a government gone mad could they not? Yet one more reason that the US is infact Superior than them.

Exactly my point. The Germans did not overwhemingly put Hitler in power, he grabbed power.

To blame the entire German population for Hitler is just ignorance.

It is easy for us to live in a free country and freely elect our officials by majority vote, and not understand that in other countries it is not the majority that has a say in who is in control, or what the government is going to do.

 

[Planogirl]

Is this thread about Obama or is to talk about why everywhere else is inferior to the United States? I don't get the elitist attitude at all. Other places have their problems just as we do but that doesn't mean that they're all the pits of hell. Isn't it possible to be proud of your country and yet be willing to acknowledge that some other countries aren't so bad either?

As for people trying to get into the United States, the US doesn't isn't the only nation dealing with that. Far from it in fact.

 

[sjaakie]

Maybe ask your grandfather?
I was told it in a meeting with a client in Rotterdam who became really annoyed by my colleague, a young American of German extraction, who kept telling us (two Dutchmen, a Belgian and an Englishman) what a great country Germany was and how great it was to be over in Europe in the "old country". We shipped him back to Chicago shortly after as he upset too many clients.

ford family

You were told?
So all your stories are secondhand and hear saying?
You know all that gossip grows every time its told to another person.

And you know in May we celebrate our liberation by inviting old American army soldiers who fought fore our freedom but in the same week we remember our deads and we invite the "old enemy "Germany to the ceremony to pray with us. That's called forgiving and working on the future.


BTW my grandfather is dead and I'm old enough to be a grandmother herself

 

[KirklandTutu]

What I find interesting is the people I have talked with not one of them is voting for Obama. I work in a hospital so I come in contact with alot of different people. Even the people in my family that always vote Democrat are either choosing not to vote or voting for McCain. I really wonder about the polls that are conducted. I'm not implying I talk to millions of people but I really have not come in contact with one person that has great things to say about the guy.

I was with a group of friends over the weekend and we couldn't think of anyone that WE knew who wouldn't be voting for Obama. We know they exist, we just don't know anyone...well, other than my parents. DH and I are both not sure of where our vote will go. That surprised everyone in our circle and sparked the 'we haven't heard of anyone voting for McCain' comments. It took alot of courage for me to say that to even a close circle of friends.

Everyones circle is different, it's difficult to go against what the current conversation is. During the last 8 years, I've had a v. v. difficult time conversing in circles where they are gungho for the current administration. After a couple of years I just gave up, it was too difficult and heartbreaking for me to even attempt those conversations, especially with people that I was close to. I just didn't after a long while. If I heard a political conversation, I just kept my mouth shut.

Just because you don't hear anyone saying that they're going to vote for Obama doesn't mean that no one is. I would guess that if you were to bring up Obama, a whole lot of people would speak up saying that they were voting for him. Just like if you bring up McCain, people will say that they are voting for him.


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Oh, and I used to get Gallup poll calls all the time. It always came through on our home phone. They would call in the middle of the day. I had non-traditional hours so I was at home alot during the day. Once I switched to using a cell phone all the time I haven't gotten any.

 

[karajeboo]

Is this thread about Obama or is to talk about why everywhere else is inferior to the United States? I don't get the elitist attitude at all. Other places have their problems just as we do but that doesn't mean that they're all the pits of hell. Isn't it possible to be proud of your country and yet be willing to acknowledge that some other countries aren't so bad either?

Well said.

 

[ford family]

You were told?
So all your stories are secondhand and hear saying?
You know all that gossip grows every time its told to another person.


BTW my grandfather is dead and I'm old enough to be a grandmother herself

No. The Finance Director of the Dutch company said "In Holland we have a saying.....)
I was there, it is not hearsay.
Ask your father.

ford family

 

[ford family]

To blame the entire German population for Hitler is just ignorance.

To absolve them is dishonest.

ford family

 

[Master Mason]

The US troops did not have death squads behind the frontlines ready to put a bullet into the back of their heads if they refused to fight.

??? You mean to believe that deserters were not shot by the allied and specifically by the US forces during WWII?

 

[eliza61]

I ditto everything that you say plus he can not form an orginal sentence on his own without someone writting it for him.

As compared to Bush who as we all know is a Master spokesman.

Basically, my feelings are that anybody, anywhere, dead or alive including some cartoon characters has got to be better than the brillant commander in chief we have now.

 

[karajeboo]

As compared to Bush who as we all know is a Master spokesman.

I would have to call him the Master Strategerist!

Basically, my feelings are that anybody, anywhere, dead or alive including some cartoon characters has got to be better than the brillant commander in chief we have now.

OK, I know this is an Obama thread, but my DH and I keep asking ourselves if Bush is even still in office??? Where has he been? I haven't seen or heard from him in weeks!!!!

 

[sjaakie]

No. The Finance Director of the Dutch company said "In Holland we have a saying.....)
I was there, it is not hearsay.
Ask your father.

ford family

He also passed away. So you see I'm from the old school and learned my sayings very well just as the bible.