Who has had their last day of FP+ cancelled due to making FP+ from 4pm-6:30pm with a MNSSHP ticket?

[DonaldDuck77]

Warning:

For those with Party Tickets and who plan to keep their FPs for their Party Day, when you use them in MK the system will flag your MDE Profile as using a FP not linked to a valid Ticket used for park entry.

It appears that 1 "flagging" may not have any repercussions; it's just an accounting of FP abuse.

So, be careful in how you decide which day to Cancel/delete your pre-booked FPs.

This is what needs to be stated publicly (if true). I have NE tickets and will have party tickets on my one non-phantom MDE profile. I plan on making FP+ reservations. They will not be automatically deleted because I have entitlements available, and I will not receive an email about not having valid tickets with my FP+ reservations. I will enter MK using a party ticket only (at 4:00 if allowed). If I try and use these FP+, I may get my account flagged? What if I were not a member of Disboards? How are you supposed to know this information if it has not been made official somewhere?

 

[DonaldDuck77]

It has never been advertised by Disney party goers can enter at 4pm. It's a loophole that is exploited due to social media.

Disney parks blog (not Disney moms panel) has definitely mentioned 4:00 entry. It isn't a loophole.

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...rty-at-magic-kingdom-park-tips-for-beginners/

if you get a ticket for the not so scary Halloween but dont purchase a regular ticket for that day whats the earliest you can show up?

michael on September 24, 2013 at 11:15 pm

• You can enter the park as early as 4 p.m.
  
  Jennifer on September 25, 2013 at 2:28 pm

 

[wilkeliza]

I want to say what you did 10years ago was fine because you had basically 2 tickets for MK that day--one regular admission and one special event admission. If you're inside the park and you have both regular admission then you wouldn't have an issue with things. I think that's why people were discussing what ticket they would use to get inside the park-regular admission or an AP for example would def. be good to go for FP abilities.

Disney as far as I understand it is distinctly different than Universal in how they handle special events. As far as I understand it a person who has regular admission to Universal Studios on a HHN must exist the park and re-enter the park with their HHN ticket. And normal day guests are required to leave at 5pm (though I have heard they start making announcement at 4:45--it's been 6 years I can't remember if they did that back then or not) to help clear out the park. Then somewhere around 5:30-5:45 at times at least they have allowed HHN guests to enter part of the park area for the event before letting loose at 6pm when the party actually starts.

It's interesting the stark difference at least to me to compare the two.

Not that it fully matter here but if you have a day admission and a HHN ticket you do not have to exit. You can go to one of the 2 or 3 holding pens where they scan your HHN ticket at entry. From there you do not have to go back through security and depending on which pen you choose you have an advantage to the houses closest to it. You are correct that at 5pm Universal has a hard shut down in which anyone left is asked to leave. I believe they even shut their ride queues down early. The only difference is I believe last year people with park hoppers were allowed to stay in Diagon Alley and Gringots but had to use the train to leave.

 

[wilkeliza]

This is what needs to be stated publicly (if true). I have NE tickets and will have party tickets on my one non-phantom MDE profile. I plan on making FP+ reservations. They will not be automatically deleted because I have entitlements available, and I will not receive an email about not having valid tickets with my FP+ reservations. I will enter MK using a party ticket only (at 4:00 if allowed). If I try and use these FP+, I may get my account flagged? What if I were not a member of Disboards? How are you supposed to know this information if it has not been made official somewhere?

It is written in the terms and conditions that everyone agrees to and has to click okay on when the app updates.

 

[mum22girlz]

I don't know if you are following the main thread or not, but the one who reported an email over there did call BEFORE the dreaded deletion date, was told there would be no problem, and then her FP+ were deleted for her last day. If I were you, and my last day FP+ were important to me, I'd delete the MNSSHP FP+ or some other day. Your FP+ for your last day WILL be deleted tomorrow, no matter what a phone CM tells you. The other person even talked to someone in IT before it happened. You need to decide something today.

After doing more reading, I don't think I'm going to bother calling. My FP+ aren't that important during the party. I will be keeping an eye on the forums though, to see what happens to others. I don't mine losing my party FPs if everyone else does. But if I've been singled out for some reason, that would make me a little unhappy. As of right now, it appears that I am in the minority and most people haven't gotten an email.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Disney parks blog (not Disney moms panel) has definitely mentioned 4:00 entry. It isn't a loophole.

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/b...rty-at-magic-kingdom-park-tips-for-beginners/

if you get a ticket for the not so scary Halloween but dont purchase a regular ticket for that day whats the earliest you can show up?

michael on September 24, 2013 at 11:15 pm

• You can enter the park as early as 4 p.m.
  
  Jennifer on September 25, 2013 at 2:28 pm

I did see that in my google search but that is the only year (2013) I seem to have found any reference at all to an earlier entry and that was as a comment rather than from the statement of the post....it's interesting that I haven't been able to find it in a statement. To me it just makes it all the more confusing if they just won't put that information in a statement for the party. It's quite easy to do so if they want that to be the known policy.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Not that it fully matter here but if you have a day admission and a HHN ticket you do not have to exit. You can go to one of the 2 or 3 holding pens where they scan your HHN ticket at entry. From there you do not have to go back through security and depending on which pen you choose you have an advantage to the houses closest to it. You are correct that at 5pm Universal has a hard shut down in which anyone left is asked to leave. I believe they even shut their ride queues down early. The only difference is I believe last year people with park hoppers were allowed to stay in Diagon Alley and Gringots but had to use the train to leave.

Thanks for that clarification. I knew they had holding pens but I wasn't quite picturing it correctly.

I think my point was more or less you have to stop doing stuff in the park and get in line for the party to start at the designated time which isn't like it is at Disney at all where the lines are more blurred as far as how they handle Day guests and Party guests. But I appreciate the clear up on the exiting the park part.

I wonder if they will do the same with park-to-park tickets as they did last year. Our last park day is at Universal and is a HHN night but we have park-to-park tickets and I know we were planning on leaving the Studios and going on over to IOA til it closes at 7pm-Would be cool to stay in HP and then use the train to get over to IOA.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

It is written in the terms and conditions that everyone agrees to and has to click okay on when the app updates.

So it all comes down to the interpretation of "valid theme park admission", which before this year (apparently, if there really is an intentional change) has always included party tickets.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

I did see that in my google search but that is the only year (2013) I seem to have found any reference at all to an earlier entry and that was as a comment rather than from the statement of the post....it's interesting that I haven't been able to find it in a statement. To me it just makes it all the more confusing if they just won't put that information in a statement for the party. It's quite easy to do so if they want that to be the known policy.

That's public enough. There are so many questions in the comments of those blog posts that you are just dying for an official answer for from Disney. The ones where they actually answer? You know they had to be approved by someone official.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

That's public enough. There are so many questions in the comments of those blog posts that you are just dying for an official answer for from Disney. The ones where they actually answer? You know they had to be approved by someone official.

Oh I agree that the Disney Parks Blog is offical-no argument from me there.

I just find it odd that in all the searching I haven't been able to find it as a blantant advertised aspect of the party from Disney (you would think it would be easy to just say that when describing the party-in fact you would think that would have been important information to say on the actual blog post about the party aimed at beginners) and the only reference I could find was a comment from 2013. I don't really have a dog in the fight perse it was just interesting to me. And honestly it could be that my research wasn't in-depth enough.

 

[hiroMYhero]

So it all comes down to the interpretation of "valid theme park admission", which before this year (apparently, if there really is an intentional change) has always included party tickets.

There is the intentional change within the FP system.

When accounts are flagged, the MDE Profile doesn't indicate the abuse except to Disney. After a designated number of abuses, the Profile is locked.

Disney has specific protocol for unlocking an account and CMs have been trained to handle the questions from those who are locked.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

There is the intentional change within the FP system.

When accounts are flagged, the MDE Profile doesn't indicate the abuse except to Disney. After a designated number of abuses, the Profile is locked.

Disney has specific protocol for unlocking an account and CMs have been trained to handle the questions from those who are locked.

So it's a forgiveness rather than permission issue for Disney. "Sorry that you had to go through that embarrassing locking of profiles issue you didn't know anything about. We would rather that happen and you have to get it fixed yourself than make any sort of official statement clarifying matters to prevent it beforehand. It's the Disney way."

 

[sharonabe]

After doing more reading, I don't think I'm going to bother calling. My FP+ aren't that important during the party. I will be keeping an eye on the forums though, to see what happens to others. I don't mine losing my party FPs if everyone else does. But if I've been singled out for some reason, that would make me a little unhappy. As of right now, it appears that I am in the minority and most people haven't gotten an email.

It sounds like you may have misunderstood; apologies if I'm the one confused.

They will NOT cancel your party FP+; they WILL cancel your LAST day of FP+, whenever that is. So, if that last day of FP+ is important to you, you NEED to go cancel your party FP+ before the others are gone.

 

[mum22girlz]

It sounds like you may have misunderstood; apologies if I'm the one confused.

They will NOT cancel your party FP+; they WILL cancel your LAST day of FP+, whenever that is. So, if that last day of FP+ is important to you, you NEED to go cancel your party FP+ before the others are gone.

I guess I should have said that my last day of FPs are more important than my party FPs, so I will be canceling what I have scheduled on the 12th. I don't want to waste time on the phone if IT isn't able to keep FPs from being deleted.

 

[amcnj]

So two things I want to make sure I am understanding correctly:

1) if you had park admission already and were in Mk before 7 pm using that other ticket, and have the MNSSHP ticket too, you don't have to rescan at some point to initiate the MNSSHP ticket?

2) the fp+ that seem to be getting cancelled are only if you had FP+ already scheduled somewhere that day, and then try to make additional ones that same day using the MNSSHP ticket? Just adding the MNSSHP ticket does not alter your already existing FP+ selections previously made with your "regular" ticket"?

Thanks!

 

[Queen of the WDW Scene]

I think for anyone that gets an email warning they should heed it if their last day of FP+ is important to them.

 

[disneymagicgirl]

There is no loop hole to close with entry. If you weren't suppose to enter at that time Disney would not be staffing the entry, giving out wrist bands, and turning the tap points to party entrance only. If the entry was 7pm then they would simply turn people away and say sorry you can't enter until 7.

Exactly.

 

[disneymagicgirl]

You said the word cheaters, not anyone else.

To me cracking down on something implies that there is rule breaking or cheating going on. That's not the case here. So yes, you may as well be calling them cheaters. I don't have any mnsshp tix so I don't have a dog in this fight. I am neutral on the issue. Just calling it how I see it.

ETA: the school is cracking down on tardiness, the police on speeders, the border patrol on illegal entry, etc.

 

[famsen]

After reading through all these posts I'm going to leave all my Fastpass dates and times as is but I will keep a close eye out for any emails about cancelling. I am doing what I have always done for the past 8 years of parties I've attended:
I don't go to any other parks the day.
I have always arrived at 4pm and was let in without any problems.
In the past I have been able to book Fastpass times during the 3 hour window from 4pm to the start of the party.
The WDW reservation system has allowed me to book Fastpass times again this year for that window without any error messages.
I remember last year my daughter and son in law did not yet have their party tickets yet when I began making fastpass reservations for the 3 hour pre-party window. The system clearly errored out stating that some members in our party did not have valid admission for that day and I needed to remove their names. No such issue encountered this year since we have our tickets.
The email some people are getting must be due to having fastpasses in another park already that day or something else.

 

[vinotinto]

So two things I want to make sure I am understanding correctly:

1) if you had park admission already and were in Mk before 7 pm using that other ticket, and have the MNSSHP ticket too, you don't have to rescan at some point to initiate the MNSSHP ticket?

2) the fp+ that seem to be getting cancelled are only if you had FP+ already scheduled somewhere that day, and then try to make additional ones that same day using the MNSSHP ticket? Just adding the MNSSHP ticket does not alter your already existing FP+ selections previously made with your "regular" ticket"?

Thanks!

1) If you're already at MK before 7 pm on a regular (not party) ticket, you can go to one of the stations inside the park, scan your magic band, and they will give you the wristband for the party that evening. You do not have to go outside to re-scan, but you do have to go to one of the stations. When we went in 2015, we were already at MK and there was a station in Fantasyland by Philharmagic. There is also a station by Pirates. It opens sometime after 4:00 pm.

2) No. While double-dipping is not allowed either, what we have been discussing is not double dipping. Some of the guests that are using a MNSSSHP ticket to make their *only* FPs for that day are getting notification that they do not have enough ticket entitlements for their FPs. For example, say you have a 4-day PH ticket and 1 MNSSHP ticket. You make 5 days of FPs, including the day of the party from 3:30 - 6:30. The system will delete for some the last days of FPs, as if you did not have a valid ticket on one of your days. Basically, the system is not seeing the MNSSHP ticket as a valid ticket to make FP for some. Unclear at this point if it will be for everyone.

EDIT to add: Also worth noting that not everyone has received notification. Some had their FPs for their last day disappear without any email notification. However, the last few posts I have seen about this indicate they received a notification.