What would you have done?

[mjkacmom]

I would keep up to date on boosters for even a marginal benefit if the dang shots didn’t make me sick for 2 days each time I get one.

I have had 4 shots so far and I’m done unless things really spike out of control.

I’ve had 5, the last one I had no issues (after clearing my day, finding something to binge watch, after I while I started feeling guilty for doing nothing when I felt absolutely fine).

 

[Smugpugmug]

I think that's a valid point as the boosters do make people feel lousy. For me I usually plan for it late afternoon on a Friday when I don't have much going on the next day.

I'll still get them though. The new one comes out late September, but I may hold off until later in the year because we're taking an international trip in mid-january, so probably mid December. I'll get the flu shot sooner. If I do get covid, I like the extra boost to help me fight it, especially if I'm out of the country.

I get sick after every shot too. I remember the second Moderna shot keeping me bedridden for at least 3 days. I'm going to my best friend's birthday party late September so I'm scheduling my next booster for after then so I'm not too sick to miss it.

The side effects vary like crazy - my sister has had every shot and she is completely fine but for me I'm 100% guaranteed to get sick.

 

[prairie_girl]

Please clarify. What immunity did the vaccine provide? Every. Single. Person. I know who was vaccinated and boosted, including everyone in my household, (I personally have taken 5 shots), has contracted Covid. Some more than once. I honestly don't know anyone who hasn't had it, and neither vaccination nor prior infection seems to provide immunity. I wouldn't deny lives were saved by reducing severity - the only people I know who died were two otherwise healty unvaccinated individuals who contracted Delta in 2021. But immunity? No.

You do know someone who’s never had covid

I’ve had four shots total, and I will get the new one when it becomes available. Our buses have started running the message that mask use is recommended. I’m not wearing one yet, but will probably start soon. I’m not super happy that my job is not remote, but they are very careful about providing hand sanitizer, and wipes for our desk, and we are at least 6’ apart. The job can be done remotely, so I have fingers crossed that it will be offered soon.

ETA- I should add that during the height of covid I was keeping myself very isolated. I did wear a mask when I left my home (even at Christmas morning in 2021 when I was with my family). So, that definitely plays a huge part in me not getting it, but I believe the vacccines were an added layer.

 

[mom2rtk]

I’ve had 5, the last one I had no issues (after clearing my day, finding something to binge watch, after I while I started feeling guilty for doing nothing when I felt absolutely fine).

That’s encouraging but I have no interest in stopping my life again for that possibility. As I said though, that calculus could change if the conditions got particularly bad.

What is different this time is that vaccinations should be pretty easy to come by if I decide to give it a go.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I've never had Covid to the best of my knowledge. I've had the vaccine and all the boosters. My husband on the other hand has done the same and gets incredibly sick after each shot (about 3-5 days) and has had Covid at least 3 times. It is so confusing and everyone's experience is so different. And to be quite honest when he got sick I didn't mask or isolate from him and I just didn't get it. I'm not minimizing anyone else's experience. It just makes it difficult to know what is the right thing to do.

It is crazy...my sister in law is a nurse manager....ran two floors full of the sickest covid patients from the beginning of the pandemic....through the delta wave in winter of 2021. She has not gotten covid yet, at least to her knowledge. She's had the vaccines and boosters so it would be tough for her to find out if she had a super mild case, but she was 62 at the height of the pandemic, a cancer survivor and maybe 10 lbs overweight. Her experience is that most of the nurses who work for her got covid outside of the hospital...and not there.

As for us, my husband caught at some point in the last couple of days of our trip to Cabo in 2022 and started feeling crappy on the flight home. We both were wearing N95s so we're confident he didn't infect anyone. I didn't isolate away from him, figuring I'd get it....and I did, about two days later.

 

[kymom99]

Why do you think this is ?
I’ve never looked at Facebook and generally don’t care or notice what others buy. Some I’m curious as to why you think this is and how you noticed this.

It is crazy...my sister in law is a nurse manager....ran two floors full of the sickest covid patients from the beginning of the pandemic....through the delta wave in winter of 2021. She has not gotten covid yet, at least to her knowledge. She's had the vaccines and boosters so it would be tough for her to find out if she had a super mild case, but she was 62 at the height of the pandemic, a cancer survivor and maybe 10 lbs overweight. Her experience is that most of the nurses who work for her got covid outside of the hospital...and not there.

As for us, my husband caught at some point in the last couple of days of our trip to Cabo in 2022 and started feeling crappy on the flight home. We both were wearing N95s so we're confident he didn't infect anyone. I didn't isolate away from him, figuring I'd get it....and I did, about two days later.

My sister is a hospital charge nurse. During Covid, her floor was the Covid floor. I spent 6 days there myself pre-vaccine. She has never had Covid as far as we know. Her husband hadn’t had it either and he’s fairly high risk for complications. My brother and his wife have also never had it, neither has my husband. All have been vaccinated but I’m not sure how many boosters, if any.

 

[dvcgirl67]

My sister is a hospital charge nurse. During Covid, her floor was the Covid floor. I spent 6 days there myself pre-vaccine. She has never had Covid as far as we know. Her husband hadn’t had it either and he’s fairly high risk for complications. My brother and his wife have also never had it, neither has my husband. All have been vaccinated but I’m not sure how many boosters, if any.

I remember when you were in the hospital kymom99! I'm glad you came out of that ok. It's just such a crazy virus....affects all of us differently.

 

[tinkerbellandpeterpan]

It is crazy...my sister in law is a nurse manager....ran two floors full of the sickest covid patients from the beginning of the pandemic....through the delta wave in winter of 2021. She has not gotten covid yet, at least to her knowledge. She's had the vaccines and boosters so it would be tough for her to find out if she had a super mild case, but she was 62 at the height of the pandemic, a cancer survivor and maybe 10 lbs overweight. Her experience is that most of the nurses who work for her got covid outside of the hospital...and not there.

As for us, my husband caught at some point in the last couple of days of our trip to Cabo in 2022 and started feeling crappy on the flight home. We both were wearing N95s so we're confident he didn't infect anyone. I didn't isolate away from him, figuring I'd get it....and I did, about two days later.

It's weird, I'm a cancer survivor as well. I am 43. I had kidney cancer when I was 4. I swear half the drugs had terrible side effects and the other half made me immune to God knows what.

 

[kymom99]

I remember when you were in the hospital kymom99! I'm glad you came out of that ok. It's just such a crazy virus....affects all of us differently.

It’s absolutely crazy how one person gets it and no one around them does. I don’t have all the answers, but I know I’m going to do what I can to lessen my chances of getting it, or giving it to others. If that means I miss a social gathering then so be it.

 

[mom2rtk]

It’s absolutely crazy how one person gets it and no one around them does. I don’t have all the answers, but I know I’m going to do what I can to lessen my chances of getting it, or giving it to others. If that means I miss a social gathering then so be it.

Early on there were theories about blood types and vitamin D levels. I had hoped we'd have some feedback on these theories, or some new theories on how some seem more likely to catch it.

But nada. I'm sure our turn is coming, but so far out of our family of 5, only my 28 year old has had it. And that was an asymptomatic case (he tested because of a close exposure). Knock wood, my very elderly parents and my 3 siblings haven't had it either.

 

[luvthatduke]

DS, DM, DDad, DStepM, along w/myself & a host of other relatives
spread around the country have not had Covid.
DH caught it last November, was not horribly sick but definitely
roughed it out for 2 of the 5 days he had symptoms.
We don't have anywhere else for me to sleep so I stayed up
until he got up in the a.m., then I sprayed the bed & air w/Lysol
while I slept for several hours.

We have all worn masks from the beginning (KN95 recommended by Dr.).
DH was considered essential so no days off except the occasional one for 3 1/2 years.
We still wear masks in stores & Dr. offices (supermarkets have been the clear
leader worldwide since the beginning for being the "best" place to catch Covid).
We get stared at - I could not care less but heaven help the person
who says anything to me (nobody has, yet).
I am diabetic, have had kidney failure, and I have early kidney disease.

As for DH catching it, he has not practiced the greatest protocol
when it came to wearing a mask (bushy beard, pulls the mask constantly, etc.).

Having said that, my theory on all of the surveys done re: wearing masks is this:
They weren't watching the participants, they only had their answers
to go by, and human nature being what it is I'm assuming some lied about
their own protocol.
Also, there were MANY types of masks in the surveys
and it's clear that the fabric masks helped very little,
and the blue med masks fit loosely & are only 3 layers
so they don't work very well.

Unfortunately, we have had several deaths in our extended family,
as well as several friends, some of them died early on & some last year.
Nearly all of them did not wear masks & my cousin was certain he
caught it from a co-worker who was hacking away nearby for several hours.
Unfortunately, neither of them had a mask on.
My cousin was one of the many who went to the hospital to get checked out,
was admitted, and never saw his wife or children again - could only
talk w/them by phone until he died two weeks later.

I give the Glory to God for his protection - I have no other answers.

 

[Disneychick13]

Early on there were theories about blood types and vitamin D levels. I had hoped we'd have some feedback on these theories, or some new theories on how some seem more likely to catch it.

But nada. I'm sure our turn is coming, but so far out of our family of 5, only my 28 year old has had it. And that was an asymptomatic case (he tested because of a close exposure). Knock wood, my very elderly parents and my 3 siblings haven't had it either.

I know some people (but not many) who have never had it. And I know a bunch of people that just got it this year after having avoided it for over 2 years. I’ve been vaccinated and had multiple boosters and still had it 3 times! Hopefully those who have never had it continue to stay lucky!

 

[TipsyTraveler]

DS, DM, DDad, DStepM, along w/myself & a host of other relatives
spread around the country have not had Covid.
DH caught it last November, was not horribly sick but definitely
roughed it out for 2 of the 5 days he had symptoms.
We don't have anywhere else for me to sleep so I stayed up
until he got up in the a.m., then I sprayed the bed & air w/Lysol
while I slept for several hours.

We have all worn masks from the beginning (KN95 recommended by Dr.).
DH was considered essential so no days off except the occasional one for 3 1/2 years.
We still wear masks in stores & Dr. offices (supermarkets have been the clear
leader worldwide since the beginning for being the "best" place to catch Covid).
We get stared at - I could not care less but heaven help the person
who says anything to me (nobody has, yet).
I am diabetic, have had kidney failure, and I have early kidney disease.

As for DH catching it, he has not practiced the greatest protocol
when it came to wearing a mask (bushy beard, pulls the mask constantly, etc.).

Having said that, my theory on all of the surveys done re: wearing masks is this:
They weren't watching the participants, they only had their answers
to go by, and human nature being what it is I'm assuming some lied about
their own protocol.
Also, there were MANY types of masks in the surveys
and it's clear that the fabric masks helped very little,
and the blue med masks fit loosely & are only 3 layers
so they don't work very well.

Unfortunately, we have had several deaths in our extended family,
as well as several friends, some of them died early on & some last year.
Nearly all of them did not wear masks & my cousin was certain he
caught it from a co-worker who was hacking away nearby for several hours.
Unfortunately, neither of them had a mask on.
My cousin was one of the many who went to the hospital to get checked out,
was admitted, and never saw his wife or children again - could only
talk w/them by phone until he died two weeks later.

I give the Glory to God for his protection - I have no other answers.

Wow, what a sobering post. I’m very sorry for your losses.

 

[mjkacmom]

Early on there were theories about blood types and vitamin D levels. I had hoped we'd have some feedback on these theories, or some new theories on how some seem more likely to catch it.

But nada. I'm sure our turn is coming, but so far out of our family of 5, only my 28 year old has had it. And that was an asymptomatic case (he tested because of a close exposure). Knock wood, my very elderly parents and my 3 siblings haven't had it either.

H and I had it once, dd20 4 times, dd22 3, ds25 and ds 20 2, dd27 never. My IL’s once (after vaccines, thank goodness, they are 95 and 97 and were hospitalized). All vaccinated.

 

[ronandannette]

DS, DM, DDad, DStepM, along w/myself & a host of other relatives
spread around the country have not had Covid.
DH caught it last November, was not horribly sick but definitely
roughed it out for 2 of the 5 days he had symptoms.
We don't have anywhere else for me to sleep so I stayed up
until he got up in the a.m., then I sprayed the bed & air w/Lysol
while I slept for several hours.

We have all worn masks from the beginning (KN95 recommended by Dr.).
DH was considered essential so no days off except the occasional one for 3 1/2 years.
We still wear masks in stores & Dr. offices (supermarkets have been the clear
leader worldwide since the beginning for being the "best" place to catch Covid).
We get stared at - I could not care less but heaven help the person
who says anything to me (nobody has, yet).
I am diabetic, have had kidney failure, and I have early kidney disease.

As for DH catching it, he has not practiced the greatest protocol
when it came to wearing a mask (bushy beard, pulls the mask constantly, etc.).

Having said that, my theory on all of the surveys done re: wearing masks is this:
They weren't watching the participants, they only had their answers
to go by, and human nature being what it is I'm assuming some lied about
their own protocol.
Also, there were MANY types of masks in the surveys
and it's clear that the fabric masks helped very little,
and the blue med masks fit loosely & are only 3 layers
so they don't work very well.

Unfortunately, we have had several deaths in our extended family,
as well as several friends, some of them died early on & some last year.
Nearly all of them did not wear masks & my cousin was certain he
caught it from a co-worker who was hacking away nearby for several hours.
Unfortunately, neither of them had a mask on.
My cousin was one of the many who went to the hospital to get checked out,
was admitted, and never saw his wife or children again - could only
talk w/them by phone until he died two weeks later.

I give the Glory to God for his protection - I have no other answers.

Very sorry to hear of all the people you lost. Do your results correspond to who was or wasn’t vaccinated? All our experiences just seems so random in so many ways...how much more secure we’d all feel if we could just make solid sense of it.

 

[wvjules]

I have had 4 Covid shots, Covid 3 times, bronchitis 1 time since June 2022. The first bout with Covid was absolutely miserable. DBF only got Covid the first time and we didn't separate during any of the times I was sick. I can't imagine how much worse it would have been if I hadn't had the vaccine. I still have shortness of breath.

FTR, I am immunocompromised and I have a Vitamin D Deficiency.

 

[tink2424]

What I was trying to convey is when you got it has a lot to do with it. If you got covid in March 2020 when it very first started (relatively speaking). The length of protection and the rate of reinfection has varied depending on which strain you got from the studies we know. Seemingly a lot of it brought on by questions surrounding Omicron.

I'm not discounting natural immunity brought on by an infection, I'm discussing your basis for viewpoint on the vaccine's effectiveness and why you're choosing not to get it (because you got it early and haven't gotten it again). Ultimately it's up to you but when you're commenting to people about how you have natural immunity so go you there's a lot more into it than you're giving credence to. You can get more information on it but those who got Omicron first were in some ways better off (in terms of the overall severity) but not better off in terms of reinfection.

I agree that when is an important factor. But I'm not sure we really know what the immunity would be like after Omicron since by then the vaccine was out so not sure that it could even really be determined.

The infection acquired immunity I have I note because so many (including the CDC) claim that you don't get infection acquired immunity with COVID which has been shown to be false.

However, my infection acquired immunity was not the reason I did not get the vaccine as I would get it even if I didn't have COVID prior. My main reason for not getting the vaccine is that I don't feel it is safe & effective. No drug is ever 100% safe but usually the benefit of that drug outweighs the risk of the drug so we overlook the potential side effects. With the COVID vaccines we have been LIED to about the safety and it is known now that the pharma companies, FDA & CDC knew before the vaccines were rolled out. They knew that myocarditis was higher in vaccine arm, that they didn't study whether the vaccine prevented infection or prevented the spread of the disease. This is enough for me to know that something more was going on. We also know now that there are other common cardiovascular & neurological effects from the vaccine and it is possible there are more problems that we don't know now.

There is a reason there is informed consent in medicine and we need to think very long prior to mandating and therapy as there is nothing that is 100% appropriate for everyone.

I missed that you quoted me on this. Where did I personally say people were lying? Do you think I was lying to V-Safe which is also self-report when I told them I had hot flashes or the other effects? Um no.

But there is a difference in a PP telling someone "go look up VAERS" and you'll see. The darn thing has been around for 30+ years and people are just now pointing to it like they've been an expert all along on it

It's a research tool to be used for more immediate feedback and thus more immediate review of safety not a diagnostic tool (which is why the PP got flack for their comment).

You're going to have to provide proof here that a place mandated someone could not input their information into VAERS or V-Safe. I know in my state we had stuff surrounding data collection via covid apps due to privacy concerns (not over anything else) but that was not about someone inputting their own data into VAERS or V-Safe.

I didn't say you were lying, I said that there are x times more adverse events reported for the COVID vaccines than all other vaccines combined for the total lifetime of VAERS. And I believe you and others said that this didn't count since anyone could report to VAERS. MY counter is that so many didn't even know where or how to report any side effects that it is crazy how many more are in VAERS for these vaccines. That should be a signal that maybe they aren't as safe as claimed.

...and the claims you've posted? Any better than my personal experience with the virus? You are quite obviously anti-vax. I am not. Let's agree to go to neutral corners.

And how's this for timing? I was just texting with my sister. She tested positive for Covid today after having a sore throat for a couple of days that she hoped was something else. She's only had two vaccines; she didn't want any more. Now I get to worry about her.

Claims I've posted?? That you, & really anyone, can't know how you would have reacted to COVID had you not had the vaccine? You can't know as it didn't happen. As I said you could have had a better reaction, the same or worse.

My point is that everyone who says they would have had a worse time with COVID without the vaccine is wrong since you literally can't know. No one knows.

Yes, younger and healthier people were able to catch the virus, beat it back and build immunity. Older people and younger people with preexisting conditions....were not always able to do so. 1.2 million of those people died...from this virus. The vaccines saved millions of others like them though, here and around the world.

Had we all just ignored the virus, which seems to be your ingenious plan, and gone on with life as if it was nothing....our hospitals everywhere would have been completely overrun....everywhere, and many millions more would have likely died from conditions unrelated to the virus. Remember....if you're lucky, you're going to be old too one day.

I don't think we should have ignored the virus but there have been several prominent health experts that say that there was another way that should have been followed. Lockdowns & masking have long been know to not be effective.

What I have seen advocated before is to protect the most vulnerable & to have the rest of the population get COVID so that we could build herd immunity to then protect the vulnerable. I don't know the specifics beyond that but there were other ways to handle this crisis.

In all this back-and-forth, I just wonder if we had been a united country (and we were divided long before Covid) would we have had a united response to the virus and the the vaccinations? Would more people have gotten them?

I truly don't think so as I don't think this was about the division. I think the issues were deeper about distrust of the CDC and the flip flopping that they did and didn't do. Also, in general the US public is very distrustful of mandates for all.

No not joking.

My kids are fine and all the ones I know.
It was disappointing to miss stuff but nothing long term traumatizing.

Don’t think our districts “lost kids”. At least never been mentioned up here that I’m aware of. Sounds like a social problem rather than a covid issue.

That's great that your kids were fine but there are many that weren't. In addition there were a lot of adults harmed as well - medical care delayed that led to people being very sick and possibly dying, seniors locked in their senior care home rooms for months on end that developed bed sores & declined mentally from a lack of stimulation & loneliness, large rise in suicides, depression & alcoholism. These are just a few of the unintended consequences of the decisions of leadership.

 

[tink2424]

I think that's a valid point as the boosters do make people feel lousy. For me I usually plan for it late afternoon on a Friday when I don't have much going on the next day.

I'll still get them though. The new one comes out late September, but I may hold off until later in the year because we're taking an international trip in mid-january, so probably mid December. I'll get the flu shot sooner. If I do get covid, I like the extra boost to help me fight it, especially if I'm out of the country.

I think we all have to critically assess if repeated boosters are a great idea. We don't know what this is doing to our bodies and if they are even going to be effective. It's something that everyone should have knowledge of the pros and cons.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

And I believe you and others said that this didn't count since anyone could report to VAERS.

I said it's a research tool not a diagnostic tool. You can't diagnose someone passed away from a heart condition due to a vaccine by pointing to VAERS which is what the PP did. A poster did say it was self-reported and then I pointed out that V-Safe was as well but I did not say it didn't count.

_________
In truth how you approach vaccines (not just covid) has been well-discussed and evident in the past. There's multiple things I can point to in your comments that are a product of this. How can I discuss natural immunity for example any more than I have when you are under the impression that the CDC said you flat out don't get it as opposed to saying something different (such as the efficacy, length and strength of it)? Even the common cold gives you natural immunity but the length of it is very short and there are many strains of it. I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be rude but it does make it hard to actually flesh out the topics. I hope you understand that I'm not trying to be rude but it does make it hard to actually flesh out the topics given where I know you stand on things. Probably best to move on I would think

 

[Moliphino]

The infection acquired immunity I have I note because so many (including the CDC) claim that you don't get infection acquired immunity with COVID which has been shown to be false.

When has anyone, CDC included, said that prior infection provides NO immunity? I've seen data on infection vs. vaccine with regards to effectiveness and length of protection, but I've never seen anywhere say previous infection provided no immunity whatsoever.