What are DVC'ers opinion of the current FP+ program? I am concerned...

My personal perceptions that others may or may not agree with:

1. Major problems that may some year be fixed: since the introduction of the MB's and FP+, Disney has proven once again what most have already known for many years: Disney and IT is an oxymoron. Whenever it rolls out anything new that involves computers and the internet, it fails miserably, and then takes years to fix all the problems that the incompetents it hires for IT apparently never contemplated. Its MDE site is often extremely slow or crashes from too much traffic (didn't Disney IT think that more bandwith was actually needed than previously available). Then there have been constant problems with the magic bands not working that have resulted in long lines at guest servcies at the parks. (Our magic bands wouldn't open our rooms or do charging but at least they worked for FP+, and for many that is not true). It has been rolled out for four months now and all the problems still exist. Disney's historical average of actually fixing things involving computers and the internet has been three years, so I guess everyone should just get used to all the problems. If Disney IT had been hired to do the Obamacare site, it would have actually been worse than it was.

2. Complexity beyond the slowness: the MDE systerm must have been created by individuals who apparently believe everyone has multipole computers, uses them daily and understands all the complexities that a website might present. With MDE, you have to go to numerous places on the site to get done all things you need to do. You need to add your reservation, you need to add your ticket numbers, you need to add all those going to WDW in a family and friends list, you need to to do FP+ for all those persons, you need to customize bands. Unfortunately, Disney, the reality is that there are still huge numbers of guests who are not that computer savvy and still do all their reserving via telephone. Apparently the option for those guests is just to no longer go.

3. Doing restaurants reservations you want on-line takes forever: in the old days you could call and make 7 restaurant reservations for 7 different days in about 5 minutes tops. To do seven restaurant reservations on line you better plan to spend an entire afternoon. Moreover, you should expect during that time for the system to crash at least once. You have to input day, time, number of guests, wait for everything to come up , choose a restaurant, and often input again time you want. Then once you have it, you need to identify guests, do credit card guarantee, click off on the long, unreadable legal conditions box (is there any reason that has to be done for every reservation you make?), accept the reservation and confirm and then go back and start over all those steps for your second reservation. Methinks the system is designed to assure you don't change a reservation because after making one you never want to have to go through the suffering again to cancel one and make another.

4. Getting FP+'s you want on-line takes longer than forever: why oh why is the system set up the way it is. You have to go through each day, choose each park, choose guests, and then you get blocks of three or four times that are never anything you actually want. Why is the afternoon block designed to often give you a time at noon and another at 5 or 6, or the evening block one at 9 p.m. and one at 4 in the afternoon. What most people want is three sequential times in the morning (if that block), or the actual afternoon (if that block) with two of the rides that are close to each other having times one right after the other. The system never gives you that. You can make modifications and actually accomplish that, proving that such desired itimes could have been provided in the blocks, but plan to spend hours doing it to get what you actually want because you can change only one ride or time for each attempt and have to go through the entire process of picking time, designating guests, confirming, etc. to get each change done and often you have change some things twice or more to finally get what you want. Why don't they just have it so you can pick three rides, have all available times for those three shown at once and you pick for all three in one transaction?

5. The FP+ system is favorable to some and extremely disfavorable to others. Sure there are many who will be happy with the system such as anyone who goes during slow to average crowd times or goes long enough to do each park in two days rather than one so they can work around the tiered system or the three ride limitation. But it is very disfavorable to many guests: (a) those who usually park hop; (b) with the tiered system that prevents you from getting the two most popupar rides in the park on the same day, those who go any crowded times of year and those who go only for enough days to hit each park once; (c) by limiting you to only three, those who go during crowded times of the year and usually use FP to do four or five rides in MK, including those with smaller kids who must do Dumbo, Pooh, Peter Pan, Under the Sea, Barnstorner, Jungle Cruise, and similar long line rides in one day or do one or more of those multiple times in a single day; my sense is this is a system that is telling those with young kids to forget about going any busy time of year and essentially to forget about going period once those kids hit kindergarten and trips are limited to crowded times of year.

Maybe Disney can fix all the problems (dream on) and maybe it will come to its senses on the tiered and 3 limit system (don't count on it), and maybe it will actually figure out how things can be done easily on-line (never happened before), but for now my rating for the system is a D- and the "suits' who created and approved it should be shown the door because I am guessing its failures are actually going to cost Disney money both in the likely huge cost already incurred for the failed system created and in lost revenues because some who would go to Disney will decide that going to Disney is now just too hard to do and not worth it if you cannot get rides you want.
 
At DHS, you can choose RnR and ToT. RnR is group 1, ToT is group 2. You can't pick RnR and TSM, both are group 1.

OH, sorry. I guess that's right. We chose TOT and TSM thinking we could just use single rider on RNR then it wasn't open as an option for most of the times we were there. They cut the single rider line off once the standby line hit 60 min. (which it was pretty much the entire time we were there) last weekend.:headache:
 
And, hoping I am not repeating anything, you can only get FP+ in one park each day according to what the front desk CM told me. When they remove all the current FP kiosks, I have no idea how to get a FP if I change parks which we frequently do in any particular day. Limiting FP+ to three per day is not going to work.
 
We are pretty much go with the flow types and laid back. So it is not a big deal to us and have adjusted our touring plan to suit FP+ in it's current state. But we haven't adjusted it by much.

We would like to select more than 3 rides at Magic Kingdom but we are ok with the other three parks. Our visits are usually more than 7 days and we go to Magic Kingdom and Epcot a majority of the time. So we have more options to ride our favorites each visit.

When we bought into DVC we talked about the parks changing and how it always wouldn't be ran the same and that at one point we may become tired of going not because of FP but just to expand our vacation.

We liked DVC because if that time ever does come (it hasn't yet) we were not stuck in one option like some other timeshares that are available.

We can go to Hilton Head, Vero Beach, Aulani, trade out through RCI, head to DLR. So many options in our opinion.



So the parks have changed and we are accepting it and now planning different.

So I guess you could say we are not worried or very concerned at FP+.

This is just our opinion.

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I love the new FP+, however, we are not park-warriors. I have three little ones 6 and under and it was just barbaric to run from one side the park to the other chasing Fps. With FP+ we can schedule what we want, including late evening. This allows for time for golfing, miniature golf, pony rides, fishing, jogging, tennis, sleeping in, swimming and anything else we like to do, and still have Fps for the most popular rides. The system was easy and super flexible using the iPhone App. Its an improvement IMHO...:worship:
 
What I don't like is that certain rides that usually have short wait times (like POTC & HM) now have ridiculously long waits. They are allotting too many FP on rides like TSMM & Winnie the Pooh and it really slows down the standby lines. So if you have used up your whopping 3 FP that day, you are SOL for riding certain (not all) rides.

We spent 5 days in DLR last month and loved it. FP isn't out of control, you could walk up to a restaurant without a reservation. Everything seemed more laid back. We'll be spending more time there, I think. It made us realize how frustrating WDW has become the last few years, and the magic is disappearing.
 
I don't love them being tiered either, though I understand it.

I do get what you're saying. We aren't big park hoppers... But I think FP+ will make me more likely to park hop. I can arrange for all my favorite rides in the afternoon and go (& wait in like... Gasp!) at another park in the morning.

I don't really mind waiting in line (even with my 3 & 1 yr old last year!) ... I expect it.

Exactly what I love about it. I made all our FP+ for afternoon on our recent trip and still went in the morning to ride what we wanted to in same park or start somewhere and hop to other park later with our rides already secured. Also we flew in about noon so the very first day we had FP+ for all 3 mountains in MK for late afternoon/early evening. Those all would be normally gone or at least very late times available. Works the same way for the day you are leaving.
 
My family has been twice with FP+. We love it. I think Disney will adjust things like PH, # of FP, etc as things smooth out. We had no issues changing times and rides to meet our needs as weather and other events impacted our schedule.

I had been several times and could not ride TT or TSM because times were too late in the day or FPs were gone. With FP+, I got to ride these rides.

Remember, we at the beginning of the technology change. After a year or two, the bumps will be smoothed out, in my opinion. Disney wants to cut the lines down and shopping and eating up. I think folks should complain about what impacts their trips. The mouse will try to adjust and the new technology will help make it easier to change.

I believe in the end we will get option for FP+ in multiple parks, new FP+ once the first 3 or used, etc.
 
I think that in the long run Disney may well end up losing out by the introduction of the FP+ system.

We are what you could call SuperFP users and we normally entered the park at Rope drop and stayed all day, grabbing and using FP as we could, shopping, eating and generally spending money in the parks. This was especially true to HS and Epcot where TOT and TT are our favourite rides and we would happily FP each 3-5 times each day and potter about inbetween. Now I have heard that the lines are long and I can only have 3 FP slots a day and not all for my favourite rides. Now I can see me having a lie-in, maybe a swim at the hotel pool, perhaps a trip to the local Mall and then hit the parks for a few hours in the late afternoon to use my FP+ selections and maybe stay for the fireworks but posiibly head offsite to eat.

I hate standing in line so think that my park days may now be 3-4 hours rather than 12-15 hours so my money won't be going in to the Disney shops and restaurants!
 
I haven't even used the new system yet and all of what you have written...is exactly what I was thinking. UGH


My personal perceptions that others may or may not agree with:

1. Major problems that may some year be fixed: since the introduction of the MB's and FP+, Disney has proven once again what most have already known for many years: Disney and IT is an oxymoron. Whenever it rolls out anything new that involves computers and the internet, it fails miserably, and then takes years to fix all the problems that the incompetents it hires for IT apparently never contemplated. Its MDE site is often extremely slow or crashes from too much traffic (didn't Disney IT think that more bandwith was actually needed than previously available). Then there have been constant problems with the magic bands not working that have resulted in long lines at guest servcies at the parks. (Our magic bands wouldn't open our rooms or do charging but at least they worked for FP+, and for many that is not true). It has been rolled out for four months now and all the problems still exist. Disney's historical average of actually fixing things involving computers and the internet has been three years, so I guess everyone should just get used to all the problems. If Disney IT had been hired to do the Obamacare site, it would have actually been worse than it was.

2. Complexity beyond the slowness: the MDE systerm must have been created by individuals who apparently believe everyone has multipole computers, uses them daily and understands all the complexities that a website might present. With MDE, you have to go to numerous places on the site to get done all things you need to do. You need to add your reservation, you need to add your ticket numbers, you need to add all those going to WDW in a family and friends list, you need to to do FP+ for all those persons, you need to customize bands. Unfortunately, Disney, the reality is that there are still huge numbers of guests who are not that computer savvy and still do all their reserving via telephone. Apparently the option for those guests is just to no longer go.

3. Doing restaurants reservations you want on-line takes forever: in the old days you could call and make 7 restaurant reservations for 7 different days in about 5 minutes tops. To do seven restaurant reservations on line you better plan to spend an entire afternoon. Moreover, you should expect during that time for the system to crash at least once. You have to input day, time, number of guests, wait for everything to come up , choose a restaurant, and often input again time you want. Then once you have it, you need to identify guests, do credit card guarantee, click off on the long, unreadable legal conditions box (is there any reason that has to be done for every reservation you make?), accept the reservation and confirm and then go back and start over all those steps for your second reservation. Methinks the system is designed to assure you don't change a reservation because after making one you never want to have to go through the suffering again to cancel one and make another.

4. Getting FP+'s you want on-line takes longer than forever: why oh why is the system set up the way it is. You have to go through each day, choose each park, choose guests, and then you get blocks of three or four times that are never anything you actually want. Why is the afternoon block designed to often give you a time at noon and another at 5 or 6, or the evening block one at 9 p.m. and one at 4 in the afternoon. What most people want is three sequential times in the morning (if that block), or the actual afternoon (if that block) with two of the rides that are close to each other having times one right after the other. The system never gives you that. You can make modifications and actually accomplish that, proving that such desired itimes could have been provided in the blocks, but plan to spend hours doing it to get what you actually want because you can change only one ride or time for each attempt and have to go through the entire process of picking time, designating guests, confirming, etc. to get each change done and often you have change some things twice or more to finally get what you want. Why don't they just have it so you can pick three rides, have all available times for those three shown at once and you pick for all three in one transaction?

5. The FP+ system is favorable to some and extremely disfavorable to others. Sure there are many who will be happy with the system such as anyone who goes during slow to average crowd times or goes long enough to do each park in two days rather than one so they can work around the tiered system or the three ride limitation. But it is very disfavorable to many guests: (a) those who usually park hop; (b) with the tiered system that prevents you from getting the two most popupar rides in the park on the same day, those who go any crowded times of year and those who go only for enough days to hit each park once; (c) by limiting you to only three, those who go during crowded times of the year and usually use FP to do four or five rides in MK, including those with smaller kids who must do Dumbo, Pooh, Peter Pan, Under the Sea, Barnstorner, Jungle Cruise, and similar long line rides in one day or do one or more of those multiple times in a single day; my sense is this is a system that is telling those with young kids to forget about going any busy time of year and essentially to forget about going period once those kids hit kindergarten and trips are limited to crowded times of year.

Maybe Disney can fix all the problems (dream on) and maybe it will come to its senses on the tiered and 3 limit system (don't count on it), and maybe it will actually figure out how things can be done easily on-line (never happened before), but for now my rating for the system is a D- and the "suits' who created and approved it should be shown the door because I am guessing its failures are actually going to cost Disney money both in the likely huge cost already incurred for the failed system created and in lost revenues because some who would go to Disney will decide that going to Disney is now just too hard to do and not worth it if you cannot get rides you want.
 
Sadly fpp doesn't work for my family. Hate the limit of 3, hate even more that we can't pull fp in more than one park, hate tiering. I can't stand that I'm tied to my iPhone now. We go in summer when it's hot and crowded so the idea of stand by lines doesn't appeal.
Using my points for Aulani this year so there is a silver lining!
 
My family loves spending all day in the parks. We love the rides and are avid FP users. Unfortunately, we view the new system as hindering our park fun. Especially now since Disney put in place the tier system, we can only have 3 FP's for the entire day and can only be used in one park. When we want to do other activities, we slot a non park day for those things such as SeaRaycer boats, Archery and dinner shows. Also, Disney is having tremendous problems with their MB's and their website not to mention just how longgg it takes to go through the process of reserving and/or changing FP's. We will be going in August but have cut our vacation short. We were booked to go for 10 days but will only be going for 5 and then spending the other 5 days else where. Sorry Disney, you don't have our vote on these changes.
 
I haven't even used the new system yet and all of what you have written...is exactly what I was thinking. UGH


Just remember that it HAS worked perfectly for many many others ! Including myself :)

I wish we were in your category, but we simply aren't. The new system takes away what we love to do, restricts us, and we feel it decrease the value of our trips due to these restrictions.

I sure hope Disney compromises and makes some changes to create a better balance. I know things change. I always tell my daughter the definition of Life is Change and we have a choice. Go with the change or move on (if this is a choice). Here we have a choice. We can still use our membership, but not necessarily for the parks. :sad2:
 
My family has been twice with FP+. We love it. I think Disney will adjust things like PH, # of FP, etc as things smooth out. We had no issues changing times and rides to meet our needs as weather and other events impacted our schedule. I had been several times and could not ride TT or TSM because times were too late in the day or FPs were gone. With FP+, I got to ride these rides. Remember, we at the beginning of the technology change. After a year or two, the bumps will be smoothed out, in my opinion. Disney wants to cut the lines down and shopping and eating up. I think folks should complain about what impacts their trips. The mouse will try to adjust and the new technology will help make it easier to change. I believe in the end we will get option for FP+ in multiple parks, new FP+ once the first 3 or used, etc.

So it is ok for Disney to mess up our vacations for a 'year or two'

I dislike the new system.


I hope Disney is ok with my vacation money going elsewhere
 
Seems like Disney is spreading fast passes out in a more even and fair system with Fastpass +. I feel like a lot more people will now use the fastpass system. How many could you get with the old system. Was it a fair system for people who don,t enter the parks at rope drop? How is a new system that gets more people using it by spreading the passes out in a more even fair manner a failure. Sounds like sour grapes to me for those few that could take advantage of the old flawed system by showing up for rope drop willing to trample their fellow man or women for the lions share of the passes. Doesn't really have that Disney feel to me. The new system IMO is better than the old survival of the fittest fastpass system.
 
Seems like Disney is spreading fast passes out in a more even and fair system with Fastpass +. I feel like a lot more people will now use the fastpass system. How many could you get with the old system. Was it a fair system for people who don,t enter the parks at rope drop? How is a new system that gets more people using it by spreading the passes out in a more even fair manner is a failure. Sounds like sour grapes to me for those few that could take advantage of the old flawed system by showing up for rope drop willing to trample there fellow man for the lions share of the passes. Doesn't really have that Disney feel to me. The new system IMO is better than the old survival of the fittest fastpass system.

Well said!
 
I agree with a lot of drusba's post. We were there over thanksgiving. 1st day at Epcot we had both TT & Soarin' - which were booked in October. 2nd time we went to Epcot decided to change some FPP and discovered the new tiers in place. Not a pleasant surprise.

I hadn't seen such long standby AND fast pass lines since New Year's Eve a few years back (and we've gone at thanksgiving a few times). While we didn't have any park issues w our MBs (they almost never opened our room door) lots of people did. The FP lines were easily 30+ minutes on the most popular rides while standby were closer to 2 hours (some close to 3 hours).

The limit of 3 is ridiculous. Under the old system I could easily get 5 (without trampling anyone) in one day. I wonder what info they used to set the limit? And the tiers are understandable for pre-scheduling, but I will miss the paper tickets when we go in June. In November we could still use AP to obtain paper tickets.

I also agree that many people will choose to spend their vacation dollars elsewhere to avoid the frustration of ridiculously long lines and unfulfilled adventures. We usually go twice a year, so don't feel like we have to do everything each visit but if we can only do 1/2 as much as previously it's time to use my points in the exchange rather than the parks.

The wi-fi in the parks is beyond ridiculously slow. I ended up turning it off and was able to access MDE faster on 4G. I like MDE but wish I could sync it down to my calendar so I could schedule reminders for FPP (I realize I can manually do this but a pain to re-type especially if you make changes). It was a pain to keep pulling out phone, logging in and reviewing times. They could even add a reminder service within MDE.

I hope everyone takes (took) the time to do the review Disney requests upon your return from the parks. I did and laid out all of my frustrations, concerns and likes.

As a planner I do like pre-scheduling a few FPP but we also still had access to paper FP for spontaneous decisions. I understand those are gone now - a shame. I will take advice from this post to arrive early to ride a tiered ride and schedule FPP for the afternoons.
 

















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