Wearing All Black Today

[Kelsie]

<b>What I find sad, is the one thing I was proud of AI for NOT doing, is being done here. The size of the person, the way they sweat, what type of family they come from, how they will be effected by fame (which I find very interesting, remember Madonna??), etc. HAS absolutely nothing to do with their talent. This was a talent show.

Some of the most amazing singers on this earth are overweight, OPERA!!!</b>

**backing away from this thread**

 

[madonna31]

WDWOldtimer - I have said that exact same thing many times before on other threads...just because someone votes 50 times for one idol - doesn't mean that they will buy 50 copies of the EXACT same CD...

however...as for the sale of the CD's being a better indicator....I wish that were true - but unfortunately we live in the world of *downloading*...

 

[springsteenmickey]

Lizzie:

Frankly, his CD will be by my bedside

Did I tell you that I already have his CD

I think it was fixed. Yep. AI already had a white female beat out a black male last year who appeals more to the white audience. This year they wanted a black male to beat the white male so that there would be greater sales by the black population. As well, the producers recognized Clay’s talent and range and acknowledged that he would have a lot of record sales with or without the title. Am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that Clay was NEVER in the bottom three and lost – Yep, fixed.

Oh, as for the person who said that he doesn’t have sex appeal. Please, I wish my sex appeal was as “pathetic” as Clays that all girls scream when I walk into a room, shout out how the love me and how they want me, the way the do for Clay.

Fixed

 

[lizzie64]

Originally posted by springsteenmickey
Lizzie:
Did I tell you that I already have his CD

I think it was fixed. Yep. AI already had a white female beat out a black male last year who appeals more to the white audience. This year they wanted a black male to beat the white male so that there would be greater sales by the black population. As well, the producers recognized Clay’s talent and range and acknowledged that he would have a lot of record sales with or without the title. Am I the only one who thinks it’s weird that Clay was NEVER in the bottom three and lost – Yep, fixed.

Oh, as for the person who said that he doesn’t have sex appeal. Please, I wish my sex appeal was as “pathetic” as Clays that all girls scream when I walk into a room, shout out how the love me and how they want me, the way the do for Clay.

Fixed

Oh Oh,

I think I'm falling in love.

 

[RweTHEREyet]

interesting story at this link:

http://www.drudgereport.com/idol1.htm

 

[damo]

Kelsie, I totally disagree. This was not only a talent show. It was an "idol" show. An idol must have more than just talent. He or she must have the entire package and be someone that people will look up to and admire. If that person is unkempt, obnoxious, conceited, etc. etc. etc. then they cannot be an idol. It goes far beyond just talent.

 

[RweTHEREyet]

What I find sad, is the one thing I was proud of AI for NOT doing, is being done here. The size of the person.....

Sorry to disagree, but Simon did tell several female contestants that they should lose weight. Nothing like that ever said to Ruben.

I also seem to remember several disparaging remarks to Clay about facial movements, etc, why not to Ruben for sweating a river? Can't help but feel that if he lost weight that it might not be a problem.

 

[springsteenmickey]

Lizzie, be still my beating heart

Please people. Ruben is overweight. You can not say that a guy who weighs 350 lbs and is 6'4" is not. I do not have a problem with that but why is that it was never pointed out by the judges, it was said about others. And what about Simon saying on national television to Clay - "When we first saw you you were UGLY" That was OK? - why because he was the goofy skinny white guy. Give me a break, I'll bet that Clay's mom didn't think her son was ugly.

 

[Slainte]

I really did try to stay away from this thread! The following is an exchange I had w/a friend on another board I belong to. Thoughts on his assessment?


Me:
I was thrilled! Clay has a nice voice, but I just can't get into anyone who looks like an elf and who make weird faces when he sings. I'm amazed that millions of women apparently find him sexy. Ick!


My friend:
Certain women, especially teenage girls, like the sexually non-threatening boys. That is why a lot of teen idols have longish hair and round,soft, feminine faces, like that kid on Home Improvement, and even Paul McCartney.

 

[lizzie64]

Originally posted by Slainte
I really did try to stay away from this thread! The following is an exchange I had w/a friend on another board I belong to. Thoughts on his assessment?


Me:
I was thrilled! Clay has a nice voice, but I just can't get into anyone who looks like an elf and who make weird faces when he sings. I'm amazed that millions of women apparently find him sexy. Ick!


My friend:
Certain women, especially teenage girls, like the sexually non-threatening boys. That is why a lot of teen idols have longish hair and round,soft, feminine faces, like that kid on Home Improvement, and even Paul McCartney.

You're friend is a guy???

He's got a lot to learn about what certain women like. Most of the teen idols around now, look nothing like that. Justin Timberlake, Nick Lachey hardly have feminine faces.

I could just go through my teen age daughters magazines and see how wrong that comment is.


Sexually non-threatening??? What does that mean????

I personally think he has lots of sex appeal. those eye winks to his fans. His gestures when he sings. He is an emotional man and that is extremely appealing to women.

Being an emotional man - doesn't make you feminine.

 

[springsteenmickey]

Ya, I guess Ruben just oozes sex appeal, spitting and sweating profusely as he sings.

Lets face it, these 2 guys may not be what society generally considers as "the Image" but they both have an amazing talent to sing and if that makes them sexy in the hearts of woman around the world then so be it.

 

[madonna31]

I think that we are missing the definition of an *idol*....but I digress...

certain women, especially teenage girls, like the sexually non-threatening boys

Count me in as that certain - and I can guarantee you that I am NOT a teenager...ummm - does the name Leonardo DiCaprio ring a bell? And last time I checked - Marc Anthony was FAR from perfect - but both these men are gorgeous none the less...

 

[Slainte]

Ah, that explains it then. I think that Leonardo DiCaprio is icky too. Ah well, if we were all attracted to the same type, there wouldn't be enough men to go around.

 

[chris1gill]

Originally posted by Slainte
I really did try to stay away from this thread! The following is an exchange I had w/a friend on another board I belong to. Thoughts on his assessment?


Me:
I was thrilled! Clay has a nice voice, but I just can't get into anyone who looks like an elf and who make weird faces when he sings. I'm amazed that millions of women apparently find him sexy. Ick!


My friend:
Certain women, especially teenage girls, like the sexually non-threatening boys. That is why a lot of teen idols have longish hair and round,soft, feminine faces, like that kid on Home Improvement, and even Paul McCartney.

Slainte, didn't we already go over the Elf & facial expressions comments ? But since you asked for further thoughts ... here's my thought!! I'm not a teenager, I'm female, mid-thirties.... I like art, always have... I like Clay because he has a voice of an angel!!! Having that kind of talent can be sexy!!! So please, let's move away from disparaging the poor guys looks And by the way, Paul McCartney is very good looking!!!

Now, who brought up Simon's comment to him that he was "ugly"?? I never thought about what his poor mom must have thought about that... now I feel even worse about the comment....

Oh, let's not forget Simon's remarks about weight... he made them to the women as well as to a male!! He made comments to Josh about HIS weight... I cannot fathom he made all these weight & ugly comments to most of the contestants, but not to Ruben... I mean, let's agree, Ruben has a wonderful voice, but I've found that Clay was actually the more diverse of the group - just my opinion & I seriously have to wonder, how it was 20 minutes prior to his singing Vincent, the producers decided to ADD a verse... they didn't do that to anybody else!

 

[hucifer]

RweTHEREyet, I find myself nodding throughout most of your posts.

I have been angry with Simon from the beginning...Vanessa lose weight...Kimberly Locke lose weight...Ruben you are utterly perfect, the other contestants should be just like you. HUH?

Or: Clay, stop your facial expressions (no argument there), but...why not... RUBEN STOP PUTTING THE SAME ARM UP AND DOWN THROUGHOUT YOUR PERFORMANCE? How come Ruben can do no wrong? That irritated me more than anything throughout this season. I was tired of being told I HAD to fall in love with Ruben.

In my opinion, Kimberly Locke put the men in shame. She was the best singer. Clay was a close second. I fell in love with Clay!

 

[Kelsie]

Originally posted by damo
Kelsie, I totally disagree. This was not only a talent show. It was an "idol" show. An idol must have more than just talent. He or she must have the entire package and be someone that people will look up to and admire. If that person is unkempt, obnoxious, conceited, etc. etc. etc. then they cannot be an idol. It goes far beyond just talent.

So, you can't admire and look up to a 'large person'? I totally disagree, take 'Oprah', 'Pavoratti', Wynonna for example. People that many admire.

Also, what is your definition of "unkempt"? Does it have to do with weight, sweat? Help me understand.

Where does this leave "Santa Clause' an 'idol' to millions.

Why can't this discussion just be based on what it's really about, Your favorite either did or didn't win, period. People are unhappy or happy with the outcome. Why does it have to deteriorate into a debate about the person, and not their talent?

 

[springsteenmickey]

Ruben's weight was never brought up, NEVER. As for Clay, the guy was picked on from the beginning. Simon said a while ago the Clay handled criticism like an adult. Well we can now add the handled defeat like one too.

Once again, way to go Clay and Ruben and may the record sale race be fun

 

[Slainte]

Originally posted by chris1gill
Slainte, didn't we already go over the Elf & facial expressions comments ? But since you asked for further thoughts ... here's my thought!! I'm not a teenager, I'm female, mid-thirties.... I like art, always have... I like Clay because he has a voice of an angel!!! Having that kind of talent can be sexy!!! So please, let's move away from disparaging the poor guys looks And by the way, Paul McCartney is very good looking!!!

So sorry. I forgot, this is the "Clay is perfect, let's hack on Ruben thread."

I'm entitled to have and express my opinions.

 

[madonna31]

I think that Steven Tyler is absolutely AMAZING....there is just something so VERY sexy about him and the way he sings...although many women say *ick* about him...

Sorry - I guess Im just the type of women who is not so shallow as to go on looks alone...IMO - sex appeal (like an idol) is a package deal...HENCE the reason that Josh made it through his *Celebration* ordeal...not to mention how he took a back seat on the couch while Ruben was in the bottom 2...

 

[lizzie64]

Originally posted by Slainte
So sorry. I forgot, this is the "Clay is perfect, let's hack on Ruben thread."

I'm entitled to have and express my opinions.

Yes you are!!

And it was your comment about Clay being a "dweeb" that caused me to come into this thread.

This isn't a Clay is perfect thread. It was a great discussion until the appearance comments got thrown in.

Again, I say, if you're going to comment on one competitors appearance, there's loads to be commented on the other. You can't open up field day on Clay and not expect all the comments about Ruben's appearance to not appear.