Wearing All Black Today

Originally posted by madonna31
I think that Steven Tyler is absolutely AMAZING....there is just something so VERY sexy about him and the way he sings...although many women say *ick* about him...

Sorry - I guess Im just the type of women who is not so shallow as to go on looks alone...IMO - sex appeal (like an idol) is a package deal...HENCE the reason that Josh made it through his *Celebration* ordeal...not to mention how he took a back seat on the couch while Ruben was in the bottom 2...:rolleyes:

Madonna,

I totally agree about Steven Tyler. I've loved him for a long time. Something very seductive about him
 
So sorry. I forgot, this is the "Clay is perfect, let's hack on Ruben thread."
No it is not. It's just that you are either blind or didn't not watch the show if you do not think that Ruben was favored from the beginning and that Clay was the whipping boy. Ruben won, Great, I've said it many times, good for him he has talent but we are only discussing how certain "contestants" got better treatment. Was I the only person out there that thought that Ruben absolutely sucked when singing both "Imagine" and "If ever your in my arms again" The guy couldn’t hit a high note if his life depended on it. Yet when he was done it was dawg this and dawg that. Be fair people.
 
Thanks hucifer, we seem to be pretty much on the same wave length. I thought Clay to win, Kimberly second and Ruben third. I just didn't think they would let 2 females in a row win. I honestly thought Kimberly was the most improved of all the contestants. Also thought Clay took to heart all the constructive criticism that was given. Didn't think Ruben had to do anything because they didn't offer constructive criticism even when they needed to.
 
I totally agree about Steven Tyler. I've loved him for a long time. Something very seductive about him
I can't belive how many people tell me that I look like Steven Tyler ... it's AMAZING:smooth: ;)
 

<b>"We said in this competition early on that it was image vs. talent," said Simon Cowell, the only one of the three regular "Idol" judges who consistently made sense with his commentary. "Talent won. America got it right, and guess what. The big battle is coming: We're gonna put their records out [a week apart]. That's gonna be the big challenge."</b>

I will probably be buying BOTH. :)
 
Originally posted by springsteenmickey
I can't belive how many people tell me that I look like Steven Tyler ... it's AMAZING:smooth: ;)

Ok so now I really need a picture.

Let me get this straight, you are a Clay, Ryan, Steven look a like and you have Clay's mesmerizing voice and Ryan's personality.

Man,

You are the package!!:D :smooth:
 
I'll only be buying Clay's.

Already have a couple of Luther CD's. LOL
 
...doesn't ANYONE else find it strange that the top 2 from this AI's single's will be released only a week apart and yet Justin's was like 8 month's after Kelly's?!?!?!?!?

What - did they like record a single/reherse for Monday/ reherse for Tuesday and reherse last night's show in just 4 short days?!? (the time between kicking off Kim L and the first final show on Monday)

...the final 2 were totally fixed....
 
Originally posted by RweTHEREyet
I just didn't think they would let 2 females in a row win.

I think this is an interesting point. WHO wouldn't let 2 females win in a row? Someone else made the comment on this board about the winners: white female (Kelly)/black male (Ruben). I thought about that point before I read this thread, too. Makes you wonder how much more power the producers have over our phone calls.... and how very disapponting that would be to think that is true. There was clearly an attempt to influence the viewers to vote for Ruben.

Didn't you find it funny that when Ruben fell in the bottom two a few weeks back they panicked and said, "Don't forget to vote for your favorite!!" What in the world did they think we were doing?
 
Let me get this straight, you are a Clay, Ryan, Steven look a like and you have Clay's mesmerizing voice and Ryan's personality
Please, don't forget to add Steven's slithery ways on stage:smooth:
 
Do you want to know what I was really wanting to happen? As we were sitting in the RBC center waiting for the show to start. I told my husband that if the voting were to come close, I thought they should declare both winners, not announce the vote tally, and give them both the same contracts. How could the producers not come out on top with that scenario.

Yes, I know, this would have let in another lot of challenges/opportunities, but it was what I was hoping would really happen. I honestly didn't want either to lose.
 
Was I the only person out there that thought that Ruben absolutely sucked when singing both "Imagine" and "If ever your in my arms again"

No you are not. And i'll raise you one, I thought he was awful last night as well. I liked Ruben in the beginning. But about half way thru the season it seemed to me that he quit. Wasn't trying as hard and his performances reflected this. IMO he peaked mid way. Clay on the other hand improved tremendously from week to week.
 
In My opinion,

There was totally a campaign to sway peoples votes Ruben's way. In my area, there was so much press about Ruben, nothing about Clay.

Even the judging. Again Ruben had off nights, never a negative comment, never a criticism. Please people. Even Clay's BOTW performance the other night. Randy and Paula gave him a standing ovation. SImon starts out with " I think you've been a little off tonight - but that song may win you the competition." Oh and "You were ugly at the beginning, now your handsome"

Give me a break. If they're pointing out people's physical flaws, then someone needs to point out that being 200 pounds overweight is not great.

Or please stop that hand reaching for a sandwich gesture of his.

Again, let me reiterate, I think both of these men have talent. I think Clay has a more powerful, soulful voice. Ruben has an R&B sound (not my favorite) but good.

I think what we are arguing about is that these men were treated very differently by the judges. And the judges definitely influence the audiences perceptions.
 
You know - that IS a very good point - rweTHEREyet...after that *Corey Clark being thrown out - so let's make everyone safe* excuse for more commercials stunt - why couldn't they do the same thing last night!??
 
Originally posted by madonna31
You know - that IS a very good point - rweTHEREyet...after that *Corey Clark being thrown out - so let's make everyone safe* excuse for more commercials stunt - why couldn't they do the same thing last night!??

I'm starting to recall the winter olympics fiasco with the canadian pairs being denied their much deserved Gold medal by that french judge.

They were awarded a second set of gold medals weren't they??

I just hope that for next season they come up with a true audience indicator. Maybe they could vote themselves off like on Survivor. Judge themselves.

Ahhh, who knows.

I get the feeling Clay is very happy with himself and that's really all that counts.
 
http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=123290

Idol' Finds Two Stars, One Winner

by Daniel Fienberg
Zap2it, TV News

LOS ANGELES -- The same theme ran through each and every interview that aired during Wednesday night's (May 21) finale of "American Idol." From contestants to judges to people on the street, the consensus was that while everybody had a preference between Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken, fans seemed pleased with the final two.

The rallying cry mirrored Bill Murray's inspirational mantra from "Meatballs": It just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter. While Murray filled those words with summer-camp nihilism, here they offered signs of hope and reconciliation.

Stretching well past the breaking point at two hours, the "American Idol" finale didn't even officially begin until 9 p.m. ET, leaving many viewers possibly wondering what they had been watching for an hour. The jubilant filler was full of nostalgic reminders of awful "Idol" moments.

There were lowlight reels from the worst performances in "Idol" competitions worldwide, including spectacles from France, England, Germany and Lebanon. Reassuringly, though, the worst "Idol" contestant in the world, Keith, of "Like a Virgin" fame, lives in our own back yard. The remembrance of contestants (thankfully) past concluded with slew of rejects butchering "Sing, Sing a Song."

It was a night of medleys. One could scarcely turn around without bumping into a group of "Idol" finalists just bursting to explode in semi-synchronized song and dance. Ruben, Clay and last year's winner Kelly Clarkson opened the second hour with one medley, joined by the entire slate of finalists clad entirely in white.

The night's centerpiece featured the finalists singing tunes from the guest judges, including "Tears of a Clown," "Midnight Train to Georgia" and "Let's Get Physical" (a song Carmen Rasmusen still thinks is about aerobics). The finalists do their best to dance up a storm, despite limited mobility. There were at least three moments where Julia DeMato lost track of her steps and bumped into the people next to her, adding to the demented charm. This year's three finalists (with Kimberley Locke in the fold) collaborated, and Clay and Ruben concluded with another medley.

The night's other theme was repetition. Kelly did her second version of "Miss Independent." Ruben, Clay and Kimberley did return engagements of "Superstar," "On the Wings of Love" and "Somewhere Over the Rainbow." Ruben and Clay both redid versions of their Tuesday night (May 20) performances.

Somewhere, though, in the midst of the time-killing, there was the looming specter of the vote. Without disclosing the full results, Ryan declared that out of 24 million votes cast, the final two were separated by 13,000 votes. Later he would say it was only 1,300 votes between them. By the end of the night, that pesky comma had taken a long trip and the final figures revealed a gap of 130,000, still remarkably tight.

As the evening progressed, casual hints were disclosed. First it was announced that Ruben had won the state of Alabama. That would seem to have given him nine electoral votes. Ryan, cultivating three days worth of stubble, later gave Clay the New York vote and, I guess, its 33 electoral votes. Ruben won Florida early on, which never bodes well.

Fortunately, the state-by-state gimmick was only another way of stalling, truncated before the "American Idol" race had to go to the Supreme Court. With Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia as swing votes, anything could have happened.

In the end, with time dwindling, Ryan called the finalists to center stage and briefly turned things over to the judges. Randy declared that both men were his dawgs. Paula praised them to the sky and closed with the blatant falsehood that "No kid ever grew up wanting to be a critic." Simon announced that their singles will be released on the same day.

Just moments before 10 p.m. ET, Ruben Studdard, the soft-spoken 25-year-old from Birmingham, Ala., became the second American Idol. Sweat and tears swiftly reduced Ruben to a puddle of overjoyed, relieved liquidity.

A spectacularly graceful loser, Clay, the 24-year-old from Raleigh, N.C., led the crowd in chants of "Ruben, Ruben." The nearly speechless winner could only say, "I feel great," while his rival and friend joked, "I'm going to beat him up later for stealing my title."

At the end of the competition, both finalists have record deals and will record with 1,000-year-old industry legend Clive Davis. Ruben's victory perk is mostly just a title, as the door to greatness has been cracked open for Clay and probably Kimberley as well. It just doesn't matter, because they'll all get their chance.
 
Originally posted by lizzie64
These men were treated very differently by the judges. And the judges definitely influence the audiences perceptions.

While this is true, it’s also an accepted premise of the show. Weeks ago, Randy told Carmen that she "wasn't even close" to being the American Idol. Simon told Kimberly and Josh that the "best two are still safe." The judges obviously have favorites. That's what they are there for. They give their critiques for a reason. And remember, Randy and Simon are record producers. They know talent when they see it. So if you think they supported Ruben over Clay...there may be a reason.
 
I'm starting to recall the winter olympics fiasco with the canadian pairs being denied their much deserved Gold medal by that french judge.

Don't even get me started on THAT one....grrrrr.....

You know - a brilliant man said to me:

"Both Clay and Ruben would be better off if they DIDN'T win AI...'cause if they do - they will only try to make them more *marketable* - can you see Ruben as Snoop Doggy Dog or Clay as Eminem?"
 
Originally posted by springsteenmickey
While Clay and Ruben collect their millions do you think that they will care which one won.:confused:

Probably not! But apparently lots of DISers do!!!:D
 


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