WDW “Content Creators” Invading DLR

[JerrodDragon89]

I think it all similar behavior .... people doing things in a public space without considering others.

I was raised in Brooklyn so it was a normal thing ...but after going overseas, especially Japan, where being considerate to others experience is almost more important than your own wants and needs, I understand more the frustration of having someone doing things in public that are self centered.

I am not saying this is you, but I see a lot of people , all over the place, taking up public space , to do some filming, most are totally ignorant of anyone else around them.

Personally, I look for the days when you had to have a permit to film in public spaces if your footage was for commercial use.

I'll be honest if things were like how they used to...I get it but companies suck and I will not fault anyone for trying to leave the work force to do anything else.

As for spatial awareness, I agree. I mostly don't have issues but when its crowded and people just STOP or kids run from there parents or someone just randomly turns around then yeah its kinda unavoidable but I agree when say your filming somewhere you need to keep looking behind you to make sure you don't back up into some or make sure your not ruining something for everyone else

Little camera's and phones to me are fine but I have seen people with HUGE camera's and understand why people don't like those.

But thank you for saying all this, I'm kinda using this thread to try to keep things in mind that you guys are pointing out so I can avoid those as much possible, I honestly want to be a ghost as much as I can...someone you barley notice

Yep! Sing a copyrighted song (current popular song), that will ruin their video as they can't use it.

Just so you know..and maybe you guys are joking but you can mute videos or take out the copyright audio on youtube at least

 

[xipotec]

I'll be honest if things were like how they used to...I get it but companies suck and I will not fault anyone for trying to leave the work force to do anything else.

As for spatial awareness, I agree. I mostly don't have issues but when its crowded and people just STOP or kids run from there parents or someone just randomly turns around then yeah its kinda unavoidable but I agree when say your filming somewhere you need to keep looking behind you to make sure you don't back up into some or make sure your not ruining something for everyone else

Little camera's and phones to me are fine but I have seen people with HUGE camera's and understand why people don't like those.

But thank you for saying all this, I'm kinda using this thread to try to keep things in mind that you guys are pointing out so I can avoid those as much possible, I honestly want to be a ghost as much as I can...someone you barley notice

Just so you know..and maybe you guys are joking but you can mute videos or take out the copyright audio on youtube at least

Yeah that's a good plan. There are Plenty of places to be that you can do live talk reels and really be it of the way. (Like no trying to do live talks I front of the castle!!!)

I would do your pickup shots like every tourist, shoot them as you go and do dumbs over them later.

For live talk and walk, well that's best for a low crowd day or off to the sides.

 

[LAS2AMS]

For the record, I am not complaining about people who passively film in DLR, regardless of where the content is used. When I was a kid, my dad and older brother recorded many rides using an old school video camera that was so big and heavy, I couldn’t use it. And it’s thanks to these retro videos that we have some historical perspective on Disney.

I’ve worked with many content creators (business management, not with their content). There are oodles of “content creators” who’ve become millionaires by “creating content” that is intentionally obnoxious. I saw one famous YouTuber in West LA doing things like going “beep, beep” when he saw an overweight person move.

Discretion is fine. Being intrusive is not.

 

[LAS2AMS]

I find this thread interesting as people on this forum consume and reference things that content creators share. I often see people directing others to YouTube channels or Disney related websites for information. Is it that people want to consume the content but they they don't want to be around the people when they are collecting/creating it?

Content creators are not on a continuous vacation. Far from it. It takes a lot of time to photograph the details of what people want to see (ie. food, merchandise, rides) and then edit and upload everything in a timely fashion. We sometimes meet up with a friend who takes photos of merchandise for a content creator. He is paid (minimum wage) so has to be careful about logging when he is working and when he takes a break. He arrives at park opening and needs to go into just about every store looking for new or highly sought after merchandise. He usually finishes taking photos/video, then editing and uploading content from both parks, DTD and the hotels in 4-5 hours. We'll try to meet him for lunch, but if he is on Pixar Pier and DLander drops something new, he has to circle back to photograph the new items. Often, after he is done, he is tired and wants to go home.

I also don't understand the negative reference to WDW. I see Disneyland content creators posting about their trips to WDW, Disney Cruises, Universal Studios, Knotts, etc. Is it that some well known WDW content creators are posting about their DLR trips that is bothersome?

I mentioned it earlier, but WDW has quite a few FT content creators. DLR doesn’t have that many. Probably because there’s more interest in WDW, it’s much larger, it’s cheaper to live in Orlando - and no state income tax.

 

[JerrodDragon89]

I mentioned it earlier, but WDW has quite a few FT content creators. DLR doesn’t have that many. Probably because there’s more interest in WDW, it’s much larger, it’s cheaper to live in Orlando - and no state income tax.

You mean Full Time?

There are TONS of full time people there weekly if not daily streaming the park

I think it depends where you are and what you look for because I see a few WDW streamers but mostly its all Disneyland for me and most morning or nights someone if not more then one person is at Disneyland streaming

 

[tlovesdis]

OK everyone let's play nice here in this thread so we don't have to shut it down! THANKS!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don't think there's a difference between content creators and guests when it's a disturbance to those around you. It has zero to do with making money, zero to do with what they are doing for their side gig or their main gig. It's how someone is choosing to be at the parks. Yes it's easy to call out to someone to tell them to get a job but let's be real it's not about them making money it's just the person being oblivious to people around them or acting self-centered. A loud talking traveling party at a place to eat is just as disruptive as someone narrating their food.

A guest with no interest in posting a video to make money can be just as disruptive to guests if they are talking or narrating (in this case it'd be to the person in their group or they are making a video for their own personal enjoyment) a ride. What someone is doing with this footage has no bearing on whether it's an annoyance to other guests.

Someone who isn't wanting to be courteous to other people around them makes no difference to a person what they are doing in the end, it's just the basic "you don't care about other people"

Someone who is rude to other people because they are in their footage is the same as someone who is rude to other people who happen to be in their picture.

People who casually post on social media but aren't actually influencers or content creators can be just as pushy about ensuring their shot (both pic or video) is perfect.

I think what you are seeing more of is individual people who are progressively caring less and less about other people around them and that's not a content creator thing, it's a personality issue. The only thing that is both highly disruptive but unique to a more content creator thing is street interviews which is silly to do but again it's a personality thing to think it's a thing you should be doing at a theme park when you are not an employee of said place.

 

[gsdweller]

"Content Creators" are the modern equivalent of greasy used car salesmen.

 

[MagicDVC]

Honestly, I haven't noticed a difference. Unless they are using multiple cameras all attached to their chest or have a large entourage, I can easily ignore. They do annoy, but I'll put them in the same category of annoyance with the people who Facetime family & friends while in the queue.

 

[AstroBlasters]

"Content Creators" are the modern equivalent of greasy used car salesmen.

I’m thinking of FreshBaked, Provost Park Pass, Hey Bricky, Mammoth Club, DVC Fan, Adam the Woo, Justin Scared, Ordiniary Adventures, SoCal Dad, AllEars, WDWNT, Magic Millennial….. I can’t say I would describe any of them that way….

 

[JerrodDragon89]

"Content Creators" are the modern equivalent of greasy used car salesmen.

How?

One was selling you a car and not telling you everything

The other is filming theme parks and even if they are asking for money...you don't have to pay to watch its free online

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

IMO, one of the most refreshing things about DLR is that we don’t have the “content creator” lice that have infested WDW.

How frequently are you running into them at WDW? My experience has been that unless you're attending something like a ride opening or first day of a party you rarely see them. I think I've seen 1 streamer total across my last 3 visits.

I see a lot of negativity in general around content creators online. I think a lot of is that people don't like the whole content creation aspect. That its not seen as a proper job, that people can go to the parks and make money from videos, that there's a lot of resentment towards people who can basically be on a continuous vacation not tied to a 9 to 5 Monday to Friday job and make more money that regular folk who have normal jobs.

I see this often as well. It's clear these people have never created a single video much less try to create consistent content.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

"Content Creators" are the modern equivalent of greasy used car salesmen.

That implies there isn't a range. There are definitely some that are cringe worthy but there are also others who put out informative content that helps you plan a vacation.

 

[CoachBeard]

I see a lot of negativity in general around content creators online. I think a lot of is that people don't like the whole content creation aspect. That its not seen as a proper job, that people can go to the parks and make money from videos, that there's a lot of resentment towards people who can basically be on a continuous vacation not tied to a 9 to 5 Monday to Friday job and make more money that regular folk who have normal jobs.

My argument with it is more for Disney who does not enforce their commercial filming policy which (now without enforcement) allows for anyone to bring a (sometimes) giant camera and lens into the parks and record everyone and everything and receive monetary compensation. Yet, actual professional crews like good morning America or something likely have to apply for permission or a permit, possibly pay fees (I haven’t researched that aspect).

So now what you have are tons of people who think they can make some cash by filming Disney when really only a handful make a living. Even so, Disney’s policy says:
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-rules/

• Photography, videotaping or recording of any kind, or otherwise engaging in any activity, for unapproved commercial purposes.

When they promote their merch or books or Patreon etc per Disney;

• The sale of goods or services, or the display of goods or services, unless prior written approval has been obtained.
• Unauthorized solicitations of any kind, whether commercial, religious, educational or otherwise, or conducting any unauthorized commercial activities, including solicitations of money or other contributions or donations.

I get that Disney chooses not to enforce it. Free marketing for them right? Heck, they invite some of them to media events. So it’s an odd double standard. I don’t resent these people for not having a “real job”. I know some of them are in their 20’s party phase and phone it in but that’s catching up. I just think Disney should allow a certain number of filming permits annually. “Creators” have to apply and pay for said permits. This keeps it less saturated, better curated so good info and “content” is released. This way YouTube also isn’t littered with glorified home videos that provide little relevant information for the prospective traveler or out of state fan.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

My argument with it is more for Disney who does not enforce their commercial filming policy which (now without enforcement) allows for anyone to bring a (sometimes) giant camera and lens into the parks and record everyone and everything and receive monetary compensation. Yet, actual professional crews like good morning America or something likely have to apply for permission or a permit, possibly pay fees (I haven’t researched that aspect).

So now what you have are tons of people who think they can make some cash by filming Disney when really only a handful make a living. Even so, Disney’s policy says:
https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/park-rules/

• Photography, videotaping or recording of any kind, or otherwise engaging in any activity, for unapproved commercial purposes.

When they promote their merch or books or Patreon etc per Disney;

• The sale of goods or services, or the display of goods or services, unless prior written approval has been obtained.
• Unauthorized solicitations of any kind, whether commercial, religious, educational or otherwise, or conducting any unauthorized commercial activities, including solicitations of money or other contributions or donations.

I get that Disney chooses not to enforce it. Free marketing for them right? Heck, they invite some of them to media events. So it’s an odd double standard. I don’t resent these people for not having a “real job”. I know some of them are in their 20’s party phase and phone it in but that’s catching up. I just think Disney should allow a certain number of filming permits annually. “Creators” have to apply and pay for said permits. This keeps it less saturated, better curated so good info and “content” is released. This way YouTube also isn’t littered with glorified home videos that provide little relevant information for the prospective traveler or out of state fan.

I don’t see a practical way to enforce that. Most content creators are using cameras that look no different than what someone would use to capture a home movie. Even an iPhone records 4K video these days.

 

[CoachBeard]

I don’t see a practical way to enforce that. Most content creators are using cameras that look no different than what someone would use to capture a home movie. Even an iPhone records 4K video these days.

You don’t enforce at the park. Much like other Disney trademarks and such they find the videos on YouTube and get them demonetized or send a C&D, etc. they have a whole department that does that all day every day for many other things.

 

[Starport Seven-Five]

You don’t enforce at the park. Much like other Disney trademarks and such they find the videos on YouTube and get them demonetized or send a C&D, etc. they have a whole department that does that all day every day for many other things.

The Disney items that get removed are violation of copyright law. YouTube is not getting involved with a violation of park policy.

Disney has gotten involved when certain people filmed backstage or performed other stunts by trespassing the people. The content those people created was never removed by the platforms though.

 

[bdrex28]

We've been quite a bit to WDW and go again next week. I do not recall seeing but a few "content creators" in the general park.

My biggest complaint and this has happened multiple times, are the people recording on their phones with the flashlight on during dark rides.

It's happened multiple times on Guardians and Remy.

My family and I do not appreciate a giant flashlight blocking our own fun for our family. To the point, that I nicely had to pull aside one individual after the end of Guardians and with the cast member address their use of flashlight filming.

Were they a content creator, I have no idea, but they displayed zero self-awareness and zero respect for the others on the ride. When we were speaking to the cast member at least a dozen other people walked up and joined in on the complaint.

Hopefully in the future those individuals doing it realized to be aware of their surroundings and others.

 

[xipotec]

Some of the more responsible creator have begun blurring out children's faces...or not filming them in the parks at all.

 

[CoachBeard]

The Disney items that get removed are violation of copyright law. YouTube is not getting involved with a violation of park policy.

Disney has gotten involved when certain people filmed backstage or performed other stunts by trespassing the people. The content those people created was never removed by the platforms though.

As if Disney couldn’t influence YouTube to allow them to do that… obviously this is all hypothetical. Look at all the internet stuff that used to be legal or acceptable and now it isn’t. With new tech it takes time for the powers that be but they find their ways to restrict and censor. It just takes time. They have no shortage of money. At this point, like I mentioned, it’s free advertising for them so they aren’t going to enforce it.