VGF 2 points usage question

Yes, VGF1 did get the Murphy-over-sofa to replace the queen sofa beds.

Vloggers and I agree that a Murphy bed mattress isn't as comfortable as a regular one. They're more comfy than those yukky queen sofa beds but not as supportive as a regular mattress.

Esthetically, I'd much rather be in a room with 2 queens and a sofa. I think it's a pain to have to raise the Murphy to have daytime seating.



Closer to parking, I'll grant you. That could be a strength of VGF1, inadequate though that lot is when there's a wedding next door.

Split bath, same. Hadn't thought of that since we don't get it in the accessible DH needs.

The dedicated check-in? Well, maybe. But not if VGF2 guests can check in at the GF front desk. That could negate any check-in advantage VGF1 has, IMO.

Not getting wet, okay. We don't go during downpour season, but I agree that might be a factor for those who do.

Bottom line, I suspect spaciousness and not cooking are more important factors favoring VGF2, although parking inconvenience might offset those slightly. Maybe not if more with no car also don't cook. No telling how many VGFers don't drive and have Owner's Locker.
Not to belabor the point, but this kind of backs up my thinking that it should be 2 condo associations. If you bought into VGF2, then you would never have to worry about VGF1 rooms! :)
 
Not to belabor the point, but this kind of backs up my thinking that it should be 2 condo associations.
Oh, heck! belabor the point all you like. That's what keeps message boards lively.:banana:

As for "should be," we can probably blame that old debater's definition: "Should--ought to but not necessarily will."
 
Oh, heck! belabor the point all you like. That's what keeps message boards lively.:banana:

As for "should be," we can probably blame that old debater's definition: "Should--ought to but not necessarily will."
If you are right, and I can still get the studios over at the original building, then all this will be a moot point, so I do hope you are right!
 
I guess my response to that would be then why not create 2 different condo associations like they did for BRV and CCV?

If you are referring to the murphy beds with the queen mattress on them, I believe VGF1 is getting them in the refurb. I hope that you are right that more people will want the 2 true queens! :)

I understand this is potentially unfair to VGF1 members, but as someone considering buying into VGF2, I'd be less likely to be interested if I were limited to only VGF2.

The poly only has studios. That was just kind of a non-starter for us.

We aren't planning on staying in studios unless it's just the 2 of us traveling for some reason. But even if we were, I wouldn't like the idea of that being my only option unless I want to be hunting at the 7 month window.

Why do you say that? They have really nice 2 BR Bungalos? Or are those just too many points? I wouldn't stay there often, but (like the CCV Cabins) they're a good treat every once in a while.

Is it beds you're after, or the kitchen? With the price premium on 1BRs, you can get 2 Poly studios for roughly the same points cost as a 1BR elsewhere on the monorail loop.

For us it's bedrooms and kitchens. With little ones, it's nice to have them in their own room at night, and important to have the ability to make and eat breakfast in the morning.
 

Ummm, yeah, there's QUITE the diff between a 2br/sleeps 9 at VGF and a Poly Bungalow which sleeps 8.

One week--Standard View at VGF=443, Lake View=524 for when we usually go in November.

Poly Bungalow=1094
 
I prefer to think of the studio kitchenettes more of a way to heat up all of those 'Ohana or Grand Floridian Cafe (Lobster Thermidor Burger anyone???) leftovers. It's my understanding that the new studios won't have a micowave.
Leftovers are for quitters.

But wait how are you getting Ohana leftovers? Since when do family style restaurants send you home with a doggy bag? Have they been holding out on me?

Also, to add to your point, I can't even think of going to Aulani in less than a 1 or 2 Bedroom as we cook during the majority of our visit there (sure does save $$$ in Hawaii)...
I'm rarely in or around the resort at dinner time. We cook close to 100% of our breakfasts and close to 0% of our lunches and dinners at Aulani.
 
Leftovers are for quitters.

But wait how are you getting Ohana leftovers? Since when do family style restaurants send you home with a doggy bag? Have they been holding out on me?


I'm rarely in or around the resort at dinner time. We cook close to 100% of our breakfasts and close to 0% of our lunches and dinners at Aulani.
Ha!!! I'd say leftovers are for those hungry around midnight!

They gave us a to-go container for our stuff last time we were there (as an aside, did you know that you can order the Ohana menu via Room Service at Poly??? Just sayin'...)

As to Aulani, the Costco in Kapolei is our friend! We stock up there and it keeps us going for the week. For a week's stay, we usually are about 1/2 lunches in and 1/2 out, and probably eat out maybe 1 to 2 times during the week for dinner (well, 3 times if you include Costco pizza...) :) And now that the grills are back open, we'll stay on that path...
 
If you are right, and I can still get the studios over at the original building, then all this will be a moot point, so I do hope you are right!

Weeeelll, I do have qualms about availability at VGF1 once VGF2 points become bookable.

I just like to play devil's advocate mostly. <sheepish grin>

I actually do think there may be more newbie DVCers and current owners than we think who prefer VGF2 because they operate with my personal WDW philosophy:

I do NOT cook. I sit and somebody else sets food in front of me, aka sit-n-set.
That is because I am on vay-kay-SHUN. I do not do anything I don't absolutely gotta do.
 
Ummm, yeah, there's QUITE the diff between a 2br/sleeps 9 at VGF and a Poly Bungalow which sleeps 8.

One week--Standard View at VGF=443, Lake View=524 for when we usually go in November.

Poly Bungalow=1094

Ok, I understand. I look at the Bungalow pricing the same way as the 3BR pricings: Not every year, but cool every once in a while.

I didn't think to realize that I was ignoring the fact that there ISN'T any other option from there, other than a Studio - so it's all or nothing.

Weeeelll, I do have qualms about availability at VGF1 once VGF2 points become bookable.

I just like to play devil's advocate mostly. <sheepish grin>

I actually do think there may be more newbie DVCers and current owners than we think who prefer VGF2 because they operate with my personal WDW philosophy:

I do NOT cook. I sit and somebody else sets food in front of me, aka sit-n-set.
That is because I am on vay-kay-SHUN. I do not do anything I don't absolutely gotta do.

We usually don't cook lunch or dinner, we sit-n-set. The exception is when we have "pool days" or similar, then we'll occasionally pick something up at quickserve and bring it to the room.

EXCEPT breakfast - we don't like to have to get up and out early, so we have the majority of those in our rooms. Once or twice we'll hit Chef Mickey's or go see Chip & Dale.
 
Fact 1, which supports your argument: Some VGF2 buyers will want to stay in VGF1 rooms.

Fact 2, which counters your argument: Some VGF1 owners will want to stay in VGF2 rooms.

Until we see it play out in the wild, there's no way of knowing which of those two forces will be stronger. As it stands, it's equally likely to get easier to book VGF1 rooms as it is to get more difficult.

I know for 100% that there will be X+Y desire to stay in 2BRs at VGF.

X = Existing owners who want to stay in 2BR
Y = New owners buying to stay in 2BR

You will end up with more 2BR owners after VGF2 starts selling compared to today.

The only thing you are banking on is less of the studio lockoffs to disappear since there are now more studios in circulation.
 
I know for 100% that there will be X+Y desire to stay in 2BRs at VGF.

X = Existing owners who want to stay in 2BR
Y = New owners buying to stay in 2BR

You will end up with more 2BR owners after VGF2 starts selling compared to today.

The only thing you are banking on is less of the studio lockoffs to disappear since there are now more studios in circulation.
Yes, but since there are a LOT more people who want studios than there are who want the larger suites, this is not a factor to overlook!
 
Not to belabor the point, but this kind of backs up my thinking that it should be 2 condo associations. If you bought into VGF2, then you would never have to worry about VGF1 rooms! :)

I think the pandemic changed the long term plans that were in place when Reflections was scrapped.

They had to think about how to move forward with something new to add to RIV which is hitting 3 years for sales.

The easiest thing to do was convert hotel rooms and from what I have read, GF wasn’t filling up so it made a lot of sense and for ease, making it another phase of VGF made it quick and simple.

I also think if this is a success, we may see more of it while they figure out how to build a new resort.
 
Yes, but since there are a LOT more people who want studios than there are who want the larger suites, this is not a factor to overlook!

It is not, but it still remains that there are 2 million new points at the resort the number of 1 and 2 bedrooms is not changing.

What the end result of that change, is what none of us can predict. But there is no way it won’t have an impact.

Now, it may only impact non resort owners vs resort owners. It may not show any major shift, but no way all new buyers of those 2 million points are going to buy for studios. I am buying for the larger ones.

The key will be whether new owners wanting larger units will be offset by current owners wanting studios.
 
I know for 100% that there will be X+Y desire to stay in 2BRs at VGF.

X = Existing owners who want to stay in 2BR
Y = New owners buying to stay in 2BR

You will end up with more 2BR owners after VGF2 starts selling compared to today.

The only thing you are banking on is less of the studio lockoffs to disappear since there are now more studios in circulation.
X + Y - Z

Z = Existing Deluxe Studio owners who are currently blocking 2BR Lock-Off villas who will now move to Resort Studios and free up 2BR Lock-Off inventory.

It is not, but it still remains that there are 2 million new points at the resort the number of 1 and 2 bedrooms is not changing.
2BR lock-off inventory is not primarily consumed by 2BR lock-off guests, it's consumed by Deluxe Studio guests. By giving Studio guests somewhere else to stay, the number of 2BR Lock-Off units available to 2BR guests is increasing.
 
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X + Y - Z

Z = Existing Deluxe Studio owners who are currently blocking 2BR Lock-Off villas who will now move to Resort Studios and free up 2BR Lock-Off inventory.


2BR lock-off inventory is not primarily consumed by 2BR lock-off guests, it's consumed by Deluxe Studio guests. By giving Studio guests somewhere else to stay, the number of 2BR Lock-Off units available to 2BR guests is increasing.
That is one way to look at it! But we also don't know what demand for the "resort studios" vs " deluxe studios" will look like. Though I'm sure at least in the beginning there will be increased demand for the new building.
 



















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