VGF 2 points usage question

[Sandisw]

X + Y - Z

Z = Existing Deluxe Studio owners who are currently blocking 2BR Lock-Off villas who will now move to Resort Studios and free up 2BR Lock-Off inventory.


2BR lock-off inventory is not primarily consumed by 2BR lock-off guests, it's consumed by Deluxe Studio guests. By giving Studio guests somewhere else to stay, the number of 2BR Lock-Off units available to 2BR guests is increasing.

The number is not changing. There are still 47 2 bedroom lock offs. As you say, the additional studios may mean these 47 2 bedrooms last longer then they have, which means the impact on them is a plus not a minus.

And that goes back to the statement there will be an impact on those units. We just don’t know if it ends up being an overall positive or negative impact for current owners.

 

[DonMacGregor]

As to Aulani, the Costco in Kapolei is our friend! We stock up there and it keeps us going for the week.

While I've never stayed at Aulani, I've been to Oahu maybe two dozen times, and the Walmart at H1 and Farrington is also a go-to for supplies when we're over on the Ewa side of the island (ice, sodas, etc). While I'm no fan of that side of the island, we did venture over there a few times to hit the Ko'Olina lagoons long before Aulani or Barber's Point.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

While I've never stayed at Aulani, I've been to Oahu maybe two dozen times, and the Walmart at H1 and Farrington is also a go-to for supplies when we're over on the Ewa side of the island (ice, sodas, etc).

Without a doubt, my biggest inconvenience over the course of the pandemic was the lack of refillable mugs at Aulani.

An American tragedy.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

So, this is part of what has me, as an original VGF1 owner, worried. There will be much more competition to get the rooms at the original building. It leaves a bit of a bad taste in your mouth…

And it's why I wish the new Resort studios were really super studios that would appeal to a broad section of owners by having kitchenette etc. I recognize there's a subset wanting a hotel room but a point timeshare can't afford to have a LOT of rooms with a more limited audience. With a weeks based timeshare it would all be on the developer to locate the buyers that want that every stay. With the points system the fall out of bad room allocations at a resort fall upon the owners there.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

And it's why I wish the new Resort studios were really super studios that would appeal to a broad section of owners by having kitchenette etc. I recognize there's a subset wanting a hotel room but a point timeshare can't afford to have a LOT of rooms with a more limited audience.

Deluxe Studios are already servicing a limited audience. My wife and I don't share a queen bed, and we don't sleep on pull-out sofas.

 

[Sandisw]

And it's why I wish the new Resort studios were really super studios that would appeal to a broad section of owners by having kitchenette etc. I recognize there's a subset wanting a hotel room but a point timeshare can't afford to have a LOT of rooms with a more limited audience.

I think you are right and that they were deluxe studios like the original, it would not be the potential issue this could turn out to be.

 

[DougUSMC]

Am I the only one that believes Disney is king of metrics, people moving, and sales? Maybe I have too much faith that they're trying to sell what they know their customers want to buy?

For the record: I do understand the disconnect between what current VGF1 owners want to be sold on 3/3/22 vs. what potential VGF2 customers want to buy on 3/3/22.

My point in asking the questions was to see if anyone "knew" how the details of being an owner for VGF2 would impact. I can say I've definitely learned a ton more than I suspected I would!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

This thread of VGF devotees simply isn't representative of the general Disneygoer's attitude toward the GF:
Can't possibly afford it, dislikes it or both.

DVC isn't actually part of the general Disneygoer's attitude. That's book a one trip in a lifetime. Or maybe one trip for each of the kids at a certain age. Or just periodically go visit.

But here's the thing, DVC has sold every resort at relatively similar paces. BWV, VWL, AKV, SSR, BLT - it just doesn't change that significantly. There will be bumps up or down but it's realitvely steady in the overall view. Why? Because though DVC isn't pushy they do actually have sales ability and have answers to steer buyers towards whatever they want to sell. Don't like GF? Well, you can stay at Riviera, CCV, PVB etc etc whenever you want (just don't talk about availability). So you love GF but want 2BR's? Well lookey here - there are 2BR's that you'll be able to book.

Main point - they sold SSR which one would believe has only a handful of enthusiasts. They sold AKV - which on the boards is typically "too far" and "busses only". I'm sure they'd like as many buyers as possible to rush their doors but they don't need anything more than the typical WDW guest who's having a magical vacation and wants to commit to it for years and years to come.

It is true that a smaller subset that will actively seek it out for purchase but that is also true for the other resorts.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think you are right and that they were deluxe studios like the original, it would not be the potential issue this could turn out to be.

I'd be willing to bet big money that if you polled guests asking which of the following they'd rather stay in, the Resort Studios would win in a landslide.





I'm sorry, I just genuinely can't understand the conventional wisdom on here that says #2 is the more desirable accommodation just because it has a microwave.

 

[tidefan]

I'd be willing to bet big money that if you polled guests asking which of the following they'd rather stay in, the Resort Studios would win in a landslide.

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I'm sorry, I just genuinely can't understand the conventional wisdom on here that says #2 is the more desirable accommodation just because it has a microwave.

I like the deluxe studios better. And, you’ve left off the comparison of the bathrooms…

 

[tidefan]

I'd be willing to bet big money that if you polled guests asking which of the following they'd rather stay in, the Resort Studios would win in a landslide.

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I'm sorry, I just genuinely can't understand the conventional wisdom on here that says #2 is the more desirable accommodation just because it has a microwave.

Also, do the resort studios not have the pull down twin bed?

 

[CarolynFH]

I'd be willing to bet big money that if you polled guests asking which of the following they'd rather stay in, the Resort Studios would win in a landslide.

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I'm sorry, I just genuinely can't understand the conventional wisdom on here that says #2 is the more desirable accommodation just because it has a microwave.

We like the deluxe better because of being able to sit on the couch to read or watch TV (in addition to the microwave).

 

[Her Dotness]

Also, do the resort studios not have the pull down twin bed?

Correct. They have only a sofa that converts to a twin bed.

 

[Sandisw]

I'd be willing to bet big money that if you polled guests asking which of the following they'd rather stay in, the Resort Studios would win in a landslide.

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I'm sorry, I just genuinely can't understand the conventional wisdom on here that says #2 is the more desirable accommodation just because it has a microwave.

It’s not the microwave alone. It is the split bath and the Murphy bed couch that for me are a huge difference.

If I am staying in a studio, i like having the couch for hanging out vs sitting on a bed. So, had these at least had the Murphy bed couch vs the second bed, they’d be more more similar,

No one knows what will happen and how popular these will be over the current studios. But, the imbalance of studios to other size rooms will change things.

I do think that getting a Studio at 7 months will be a bit easier many times of the year for non resort owners,

I guess I just don’t understand the theory that these won’t play any role at all in the booking patterns for the resort.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I like the deluxe studios better. And, you’ve left off the comparison of the bathrooms…

Sure, and that's legit. I don't object to anyone preferring one or the other. I object to the conclusion that many people have reached that the DS is so obviously better because it's a timeshare, and timeshares are supposed to have kitchens or some such argument.

Also, do the resort studios not have the pull down twin bed?

It's in the couch, not the dresser. I think it's a "slide down" like they have on the cruise ships.

We like the deluxe better because of being able to sit on the couch to read or watch TV (in addition to the microwave).

RS also has a couch. Though, as you said, not facing the TV.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It’s not the microwave alone. It is the split bath and the Murphy bed couch that for me are a huge difference.

If I am staying in a studio, i like having the couch for hanging out vs sitting on a bed. So, had these at least had the Murphy bed couch vs the second bed, they’d be more more similar,

No one knows what will happen and how popular these will be over the current studios. But, the imbalance of studios to other size rooms will change things.

I do think that getting a Studio at 7 months will be a bit easier many times of the year for non resort owners,

I guess I just don’t understand the theory that these won’t play any role at all in the booking patterns for the resort.

Where are people getting that RS doesn't have a couch? It does.

It has two real queens AND a couch.

 

[Sandisw]

Where are people getting that RS doesn't have a couch? It does.

It has two real queens AND a couch.

Not facing the TV. It faces the wall/beds. Not the same. To watch TV, you are sitting on a bed. Not what I want to do So I prefer the set up that makes it feel more homelike and not hotel like.

 

[tidefan]

Sure, and that's legit. I don't object to anyone preferring one or the other. I object to the conclusion that many people have reached that the DS is so obviously better because it's a timeshare, and timeshares are supposed to have kitchens or some such something l argument.


It's in the couch, not the dresser. I think it's a "slide down" like they have on the cruise ships.

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RS also has a couch. Though, as you said, not facing the TV.

Yeah, for me it’s not so much the room itself (except for the bathroom, we really like the split bath that VGF and Poly studios have), but a building preference.

 

[nuhusky123]

I’m my view the resort studios are much nicer. The hardwood floors are far cleaner than carpet. Carpet is damn gross and is very rarely cleaned

sofas are also pretty gross. You can’t wash a sofa cushion, at best they might dust the thing but I dare y’all to put a black light aga8nst the sofa next time. You will never sit on one again, I’d put money on it in fact. Hotel sofas are nasty

The bed on the other hand has sheets that you know at least were washed and hands down cleaner to sit on. For me when in a hotel I never sit on the furniture for reasons stated above and watch tv exclusively in bed. Honestly though I never watch tv either, the remote control is the germiest thing in the room but for those that do take heed where ye put ye butt

yes resort studios have no microwave and for me that’s a plus as it means technically more room space

the one true pro of the deluxe studio that the resort studio simply cannot compete against. the true stand in shower. For this alone deluxe is a contender for me and could be enough to make delxue better than resort but overall the resort is the better room

I am however keen to try both

but seriously please don’t sit on sofas until you use a black light and see what you are dealing with

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Not facing the TV. It faces the wall/beds. Not the same. To watch TV, you are sitting on a bed. Not what I want to do So I prefer the set up that makes it feel more homelike and not hotel like.

Of course. I'm not trying to say that it's so obviously an upgrade in every way that everyone should prefer it. And if they were converting existing DS to RS I could understand existing owners being upset. I'm just saying that the people framing it as a clear and universal downgrade that will distort the balance of the points chart are making a huge jump to conclusions.