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[RickinNYC]

Abortion is murder, no questions asked.

Allowing a woman to die while giving birth when all involved were aware that she could easily have been saved had she had the opportunity to abort is murder, no questions asked.

Allowing a baby to come to full term, although he's several malformed and can't live without close medical care and will not live beyond a few days is TORTURE and murder of the absolute worst kind, no questions asked.

Allowing a woman who was raped give birth to the rapist's child is murder of the soul, no questions asked.

 

[RickinNYC]

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

I think you mistake pro-choice for pro-abortion. If you actually ask people you'll find out that nobody really likes abortions. It's a last choice for most people. Pro-choice simply means having the choice to keep a child or not. By the same coin as you calling me pro-abortion I could say that because you're pro-gun rights you also think it's right to kill others. Now see how silly assumptions are? (I'm sure you're not pro-killing people, FTR)

Btw, what does PETA have to do with this?

Wow. Wow. Wow. Your mom rocks.

And apparently she's an accessory to murder according to some. As are you.

 

[HumanLegs]

Thank you for sharing your story.

I just want to help other people. Let them know that bad things can happen but you can get through it, be a better person and move on with life. I'm glad that at the time abortions were safe and legal.

 

[HumanLegs]

Wow. Wow. Wow. Your mom rocks.

And apparently she's an accessory to murder according to some. As are you.

Yep. Go my mom! Eh. Mom would take that label and wear it if it meant her kids wouldn't be forced to carry rapist's babies. I will too.

 

[Goofyluver]

Abortion is murder, no questions asked.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

The atrocious thing here is applying your personal views to others.

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

I think you mistake pro-choice for pro-abortion. If you actually ask people you'll find out that nobody really likes abortions. It's a last choice for most people. Pro-choice simply means having the choice to keep a child or not. By the same coin as you calling me pro-abortion I could say that because you're pro-gun rights you also think it's right to kill others. Now see how silly assumptions are? (I'm sure you're not pro-killing people, FTR)

Btw, what does PETA have to do with this?

Thank you for sharing your story.

 

[inthemood]

In the case of embryos - I think that if a mother creates more than she will use, there needs to be a centralized "adoption bank" where she can donate her unused embryos so other want-to-be mom's can utlilize them. None should be wasted.

I have been through infertility, I am friends with people who are in the darkest times of infertility. They would benefit so greatly from adopting embryos...and have.

THIS IS AN ABSURD FANTASY !!!

Most frozen embryos are not healthy enough to ever become babies. The chance they will grow to full term is about one in 10 for those frozen less than five years, and even less for those that have been frozen longer. This is why so few couples have taken on the idea of “adopting” frozen embryos.

Moreover, using terms like “adoption” encourages people to believe that frozen embryos are the equivalent of children. But they are not the same. In fact, infertile couples who want children can frequently make embryos but they cannot make embryos that become fetuses or babies.

The older a woman gets, the less likely her embryos are to become babies. For women over 45, the chance of her embryo becoming a baby is almost zero. The inability to make embryos that become babies is why couples turn to donor eggs or donor sperm. Almost no one who is going to spend $10,000 per try to use IVF is going to want to try it with another infertile couple’s frozen embryo whose chances of properly developing grow less with every year it is frozen.

I am speaking from the point of view of a person who went through 3 IVF cycles and am now the proud mother of 2 adoptive children!!

THE WOMAN SHOULD ALWAYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE!

I AM PRO CHOICE !!! NOT PRO ABORTION!!!!!

 

[chicagodisneyfan]

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

Your argument makes no sense - at conception there is an egg and a sperm. Nothing is breathing - nothing is living. It is reproducing cells.

By your position no fertility clinic should exist - doctors intentionally make more embryos than they will use - in case those embryos do not "take". The couple can try again. So what if they get pregnant and there are 10 extra sets of cells. Is that murder? Should that couple be penalized since they are depriving 10 children of "life" and dooming them to a frozen existence?

Plain and simple - abortion is NOT murder (to me).

I will make a donation to Planned Parenthood today in the hopes that choice remains for women in the US.

 

[NotUrsula]

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I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.
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I'm darned if I know why I let myself be baited by statements like these, but I've got another question for you. You say you've dealt with infertility, I'm sure your children are infinity precious to you, and that you take your responsibility to raise them VERY seriously.

What if fate (or God, if you prefer) made you choose between the welfare of your existing children and carrying a pregnancy to term? I was put in that position three years ago. The situation was that the child I was carrying was suffering from a fatal malformation and would not survive outside my body. Because of the buildup of toxins caused by that condition, my kidneys were rapidly failing. The choice that I was faced with was to choose between carrying that pregnancy to term and probably dying from kidney failure, leaving my living children motherless, or terminating.

I have a sacred responsibility to ALL my children - I chose to terminate.

 

[Laura]

I think a lot of pro-lifers who post on the DIS railing against abortion don't realize there are women here who have had abortions, and frankly, had their own reasons. It's up to every woman to decide for herself if she's faced with an unwanted or inviable pregnancy, and it's not for me or anyone else to judge what's a good decison or a bad one. Whatever it was, it was the best decision for her to make at the time and in her situation.

 

[rabx5]

Allowing a woman to die while giving birth when all involved were aware that she could easily have been saved had she had the opportunity to abort is murder, no questions asked.

Allowing a baby to come to full term, although he's several malformed and can't live without close medical care and will not live beyond a few days is TORTURE and murder of the absolute worst kind, no questions asked.

Allowing a woman who was raped give birth to the rapist's child is murder of the soul, no questions asked.

Couldn't have said it better- thank you

 

[RickinNYC]

Last time I checked Sara Palin wasn't running for POTUS. Once again McCain just thinks this should be an issue that each state can deal with independently. Finally it's not the babies fault. There are thousands of couples both gay and straight that want nothing more than to have a child but are unable to, those people want to love and care for all the throw away babies!

Tina

Last time I checked, Palin wasn't supportive of gay civil unions and she is not for gay adoption either. So, if all these beautiful but unwanted children are in foster care programs, who exactly are going to adopt them? The thousands of gay couples that you said would love to have one? It's still illegal in some states for a gay couple to adopt.

There's no logic to your comment.

ETA: FYI, And did you know that if Joe and I choose to adopt here in New York (legal) and we then chose to move to Florida (not only not legal but outright banned) with our child later, the state of Florida can come in and take our child away and we don't have any recourse? That should address your comment about states as well.

 

[AlexTina]

I have never had an abortion - but if pregnant tomorrow I would.

I have witnessed abortions - volunteer for PP.

Videos - sure but those are icky. All surgeries are icky. And when you blow up something that is the size of an olive into something 100 times its size it looks worse. Childbirth videos are gross too. Facelift surgery -ack.

Not pro-abortion, just keep the government out of my uterus, my bedroom and whatever relationship I have with a higher power.


Not a PETA supporter - and what does that have to do with abortion anyway?

PETA has a lot to do with it in my view because the vast majority of in your face democrates ie,.hollywood celebrities are very pro abortion and at the same time are huge PETA supporters. It really confuses me that there is an in your face organization that is for the ethical treatment of animals and these very same people think that murdering babies is not a problem.

Tina

 

[mirmartinez]

I am pro choice, anti death penalty, against testing on animals, and eater of rare steak.

That being said, I never had an abortion and since my uterus went kapoop after child three I never will.
However, I will support my daughter if she ever has to make that hard choice.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

PETA has a lot to do with it in my view because the vast majority of in your face democrates ie,.hollywood celebrities are very pro abortion and at the same time are huge PETA supporters. It really confuses me that there is an in your face organization that is for the ethical treatment of animals and these very same people think that murdering babies is not a problem.

Tina

Hmmm...don't know a single Hollywood celebrity that is Pro Abortion, so I don't see how somebody that doesn't exist can be huge PETA supporters.

If you meant celebrities that are pro-choice, please provide accurate, statistical proof that links celebrity pro-choice with celebrity peta supporters.

 

[HumanLegs]

PETA has a lot to do with it in my view because the vast majority of in your face democrates ie,.hollywood celebrities are very pro abortion and at the same time are huge PETA supporters. It really confuses me that there is an in your face organization that is for the ethical treatment of animals and these very same people think that murdering babies is not a problem.

Tina

Well to be fair I don't think any of us are Hollywood celebrities. Just cause a celebrity believes it doesn't make it true and it doesn't mean that's what all pro-choicers think. I don't think animals should be tortured and I don't think humans should be tortured either, wartime or not. How about you?

As far as your murdering babies comment, gimmie a break. It's sad that that's the only argument you seem to have. Say I'm pregnant and fall down the stairs and miscarry, should I be arrested for murder? I hope that if you have daughter's they don't get pregnant until after they're of age and can make their own choices regarding their OWN bodies.

 

[Laura]

PETA has a lot to do with it in my view because the vast majority of in your face democrates ie,.hollywood celebrities are very pro abortion and at the same time are huge PETA supporters. It really confuses me that there is an in your face organization that is for the ethical treatment of animals and these very same people think that murdering babies is not a problem.

Tina

Actually, quite a large percentage of animal activists are pro-life.

 

[Goofyluver]

PETA has a lot to do with it in my view because the vast majority of in your face democrates ie,.hollywood celebrities are very pro abortion and at the same time are huge PETA supporters. It really confuses me that there is an in your face organization that is for the ethical treatment of animals and these very same people think that murdering babies is not a problem.

Tina

If calling abortion "murder" makes you feel better...then by all means...go ahead and do that.

The wonderful thing about being pro-choice is that pro-choice believers are not forcing their opinions or views on anyone else.

Call it what you want.

As a pro-choice believer, I feel you're entitled to your opinion. The line is crossed when you begin to force your beliefs on others.

 

[Master Mason]

The wonderful thing about being pro-choice is that pro-choice believers are not forcing their opinions or views on anyone else.

I'm sorry this statement above just cracks me up. Of course your forcing your beliefs on another, because by allowing something that someone else thinks should not be allowed your doing exactly that.

Take abortion out of the equation for a second, lets use gun ownership. Some people feel that everyone should have a choice regarding if they own a gun or not, others feel that guns should be outlawed. Since there is no way to meet in the middle the side that is getting their way is forcing the otherside to deal with them not having their beliefs followed.

I'm against abortion, but not for making it illegal, because I realize that legal or not they are going to happen so I would rather that only one life is ending instead of 2 as happened so often when they were not legal.

 

[bicker]

The atrocious thing here is applying your personal views to others.

I think the word "atrocious", while novel , is too generous of you .

 

[crazyforgoofy]

PETA has a lot to do with it in my view because the vast majority of in your face democrates ie,.hollywood celebrities are very pro abortion and at the same time are huge PETA supporters. It really confuses me that there is an in your face organization that is for the ethical treatment of animals and these very same people think that murdering babies is not a problem.

Tina

There are so many things I'd like to say to you. But I'll keep it to one topic. Shortly after my husband and I married I found out I was pregnant. We were happy even though we both had children from previous marriages, an extremely tight budget and very little idea how we'd manage. Because of the way our insurance worked we had no coverage for the pregnancy or for the baby until it left the hospital after birth. We couldn't afford amnio so waited until about 18 weeks (this was a number of years ago) for a sonogram. Over the next week after visits with 3 specialists and our pediatrician we were told we had to make a choice and make it fast. The baby had numerous deformities, more than one of which would cause him to die within a few days or a week of his birth. He would be born suffering, was suffering inutero ! It was a horrible time. I felt rushed to make a decision before it was 'too late'. Finally I chose to terminate the pregnancy - my husband agreed but wouldn't tell me his preference until I was sure. It was agonizing. It was the hardest thing I've ever had to do. It was also the right thing to do.

I am a Democrat not 'crate'. I am certainly not a celebrity. I've been to Los Angeles a few times but I'm not sure where hollywood is.

I had always been pro-choice for others but didn't feel I could terminate a pregnancy myself.

I'm amazed you and another poster can paint with such broad brushes. Some of your analogies are amazing. PETA?

I know no one who is pro-abortion. I know many people who respect a woman's right to choose.