Very Powerful new ad

[AlexTina]

Hmmm...don't know a single Hollywood celebrity that is Pro Abortion, so I don't see how somebody that doesn't exist can be huge PETA supporters.

If you meant celebrities that are pro-choice, please provide accurate, statistical proof that links celebrity pro-choice with celebrity peta supporters.

This isn't a court of law. I guess I could run off to google and get a few links to prove my point but honestly it's not worth my time.

To the pp who had the horrible case of incest I am very sorry for what you have had to go through. It's horrible and I'm very glad that your family was there for you.

As for me, this is definately an emotional issue for me. I understand that abortion needs to be legal and available to women who may encounter life threatening health issues if they were to carry a baby. I also understand that unfortunately some people view abortion as birth control and that is primarily what I disagree with. If you don't agree with me that that's fine we can't all agree all the time. If there happens to be anyone who is on the fence about abortion and if you have a very strong stomach take a look at some of the photos at abortionno . org if you can look at those photos and continue to believe with all your heart that abortion is not murder then so be it. I personally cannot do that. I've tried.

 

[crazyforgoofy]

This isn't a court of law. I guess I could run off to google and get a few links to prove my point but honestly it's not worth my time.

To the pp who had the horrible case of incest I am very sorry for what you have had to go through. It's horrible and I'm very glad that your family was there for you.

As for me, this is definately an emotional issue for me. I understand that abortion needs to be legal and available to women who may encounter life threatening health issues if they were to carry a baby. I also understand that unfortunately some people view abortion as birth control and that is primarily what I disagree with. If you don't agree with me that that's fine we can't all agree all the time. If there happens to be anyone who is on the fence about abortion and if you have a very strong stomach take a look at some of the photos at abortionno . org if you can look at those photos and continue to believe with all your heart that abortion is not murder then so be it. I personally cannot do that. I've tried.

Were you at all offended by John McCain's finger quotes and facial expression during the debate last evening when talking about 'the health of the mother'?

 

[AlexTina]

Unfortunately I wasn't able to see the entire debate. Had to put kids to bed.

 

[rabx5]

This isn't a court of law. I guess I could run off to google and get a few links to prove my point but honestly it's not worth my time.

To the pp who had the horrible case of incest I am very sorry for what you have had to go through. It's horrible and I'm very glad that your family was there for you.

As for me, this is definately an emotional issue for me. I understand that abortion needs to be legal and available to women who may encounter life threatening health issues if they were to carry a baby. I also understand that unfortunately some people view abortion as birth control and that is primarily what I disagree with. If you don't agree with me that that's fine we can't all agree all the time. If there happens to be anyone who is on the fence about abortion and if you have a very strong stomach take a look at some of the photos at abortionno . org if you can look at those photos and continue to believe with all your heart that abortion is not murder then so be it. I personally cannot do that. I've tried.

What about the morning after pill then- would you consider that abortion?
I agree that abortion shouldn't be used as birth control- but that's my opinion- I can't force it on any female who does use abortion for birth control, that's none of my business, or yours. For the record- I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I am glad I have safe choice if I need it, and the same with my daughter.

 

[mrsv98]

I'm sorry this statement above just cracks me up. Of course your forcing your beliefs on another, because by allowing something that someone else thinks should not be allowed your doing exactly that.

Take abortion out of the equation for a second, lets use gun ownership. Some people feel that everyone should have a choice regarding if they own a gun or not, others feel that guns should be outlawed. Since there is no way to meet in the middle the side that is getting their way is forcing the otherside to deal with them not having their beliefs followed.

I'm against abortion, but not for making it illegal, because I realize that legal or not they are going to happen so I would rather that only one life is ending instead of 2 as happened so often when they were not legal.

I don't think that is a valid comparison. Gun ownership effects other people. If you have a gun, you can shoot me. You could rob a bank, commit murder etc. Whether or not I have an abortion, it has no effect on you or anyone else.

FTR, I think abortion is a last resort and fully and enthusiastically support contraceptive education to prevent unintended pregnancy. However, I think it is up to the woman and her healthcare provider and no one else.

 

[Master Mason]

I don't think that is a valid comparison. Gun ownership effects other people. If you have a gun, you can shoot me. You could rob a bank, commit murder etc. Whether or not I have an abortion, it has no effect on you or anyone else.

FTR, I think abortion is a last resort and fully and enthusiastically support contraceptive education to prevent unintended pregnancy. However, I think it is up to the woman and her healthcare provider and no one else.

Then take whatever issue you want where it is an all or nothing proposition, death penalty, legalizing drug use, doing or not doing the bail out, the list goes on and on. Whenever you have a situation where one side believes something should be allowed and the other side feels it shouldn't be allowed, there is no common ground for a comprimise, it is an either/or situation, and the side that is getting their way is nessasarly imposing their views on the other side.

 

[AlexTina]

What about the morning after pill then- would you consider that abortion?
I agree that abortion shouldn't be used as birth control- but that's my opinion- I can't force it on any female who does use abortion for birth control, that's none of my business, or yours. For the record- I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I am glad I have safe choice if I need it, and the same with my daughter.

I'm sure someone will attack me for this BUT although I believe that technically it is abortion I am alright with it because at the point in which it would be effective the cells are still forming and I believe (don't feel like googling it right now) that there is no detectible heart beat until sometime between 5 - 6 weeks. I actually believe that this would be a great alternative and should be made available for purchase in the same isle that condoms and spermacide are sold.

Tina

 

[mrsv98]

Then take whatever issue you want where it is an all or nothing proposition, death penalty, legalizing drug use, doing or not doing the bail out, the list goes on and on. Whenever you have a situation where one side believes something should be allowed and the other side feels it shouldn't be allowed, there is no common ground for a comprimise, it is an either/or situation, and the side that is getting their way is nessasarly imposing their views on the other side.

I am sorry, but I do not see how being pro-choice impacts anyone else. If they do not believe in abortion, excellent! then they don't ever have to have one and can work to prevent unwanted pregnancies. The key is, my viewpoint has no impact on you or your decisions. The anti-abortion position would prevent me from being able to do what I thought best with my own body.

It truly is a unique situation because it is so emotional and really all or nothing.

 

[jenn&nelsonrego]

It most certainly does and it also speaks for women's health.

Here's McCain speaking for women's health:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIN0osuemzA

Wow! This is just as good as when he said woman just need more education when asked about the Lily Ledbetter act!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxqjAejRF94

 

[Master Mason]

I am sorry, but I do not see how being pro-choice impacts anyone else. If they do not believe in abortion, excellent! then they don't ever have to have one and can work to prevent unwanted pregnancies. The key is, my viewpoint has no impact on you or your decisions. The anti-abortion position would prevent me from being able to do what I thought best with my own body.

It truly is a unique situation because it is so emotional and really all or nothing.

Ok, then how about the death penilty? If a convicted murderer is put to death, it doesn't effect you or your life. My view that is should be legal has no impact on your or your decisions. However, many people still feel it is wrong and should be outlawed.

If it remains legal, I get my views supported and carried out, it if is made illegal, the other side gets their views supported and carried out. Again, there is no middle ground. So one side or the other's views are subjugated to the othersides views.

I'm not here trying to argue that abortion should be made illegal as I stated in my first post here. However, the side that gets their way IS forcing their views on the side that isn't getting their way. Because as you said, it is all or nothing.

 

[rabx5]

I'm sure someone will attack me for this BUT although I believe that technically it is abortion I am alright with it because at the point in which it would be effective the cells are still forming and I believe (don't feel like googling it right now) that there is no detectible heart beat until sometime between 5 - 6 weeks. I actually believe that this would be a great alternative and should be made available for purchase in the same isle that condoms and spermacide are sold.

Tina

So it's okay then to abort as long as it's before 6 weeks then? Is that what you are saying?

 

[ntsammy5]

Why is the Christian right so big on forcing their beliefs on everyone else? Not just here a woman's right to choose, but on many other issues too.

They are against so many things it's hard to tell what they're in favor of.

 

[rparmfamily]

I always joke I'm pro-choice and pro-death penalty. So hey, I'm all about "murder", LMAO...

I mean it tongue in cheek but at least I'm consistant, right?

 

[Master Mason]

Why is the Christian right so big on forcing their beliefs on everyone else? Not just here a woman's right to choose, but on many other issues too.

They are against so many things it's hard to tell what they're in favor of.

And again, the other side is just as intent on forcing their views on the religious right. It goes both ways.

For example, As a "religious right nutjob" I believe that every public square should have a large cross errected in it. The other side is intent on making sure that doesn't happen even though I believe it should. (before anyone jumps on me this was simply an example I don't actually believe that).

Whenever you have an all or nothing situation, both sides are going to feel their opinions and beliefs are correct and that the otherside wishes to force their ideas upon them.

 

[AlexTina]

So it's okay then to abort as long as it's before 6 weeks then? Is that what you are saying?

Not necessarily but I do believe that the morning after pill is a great alternative to abortion. There is a huge difference between the morning after and 5 -6 weeks after.

 

[pr surfer]

to the OP, very powerful ad. I just bought some ad-time for it in Florida.

 

[ntsammy5]

For example, As a "religious right nutjob" I believe that every public square should have a large cross errected in it..

Go for it as long as every other group has an equal right to put up their religious symbol.

 

[Master Mason]

Go for it as long as every other group has an equal right to put up their religious symbol.

I see you completely missed the part where I said that was for example purposes only.

 

[ntsammy5]

I see you completely missed the part where I said that was for example purposes only.

No I didn't

 

[ugadog99]

Yes, she is. The Vice President must be able to step in and take over as President, should something happen to the President. John McCain is so old that, even ignoring his history of cancer, and even ignoring the damage inflicted on him as a POW, there is a 30% chance that if he is elected he'll die in office, and Sarah Palin would therefore become President.

However, even putting that aside, McCain's selection of Palin is tacit acknowledgement that he is ratifying her extreme position, and will likely reflect that immoral perspective, himself, in his own choics and decisions. He was kowtowed to the religious right, and there is no reason to think he won't do their bidding, such as in the selection of Supreme Court Justices. He cannot be trusted to secure reproductive choice, which was the whole point of the videos we're talking about here.

And this girl, and this woman, says it should be an issue that only the woman deals with independently. That's the whole issue. McCain is wrong; these women are correct. It's that simple.

There is no fault. Fault is a red herring.

There are about 130,000 children already waiting to be adopted. Let's get them adopted first, then we can worry about adding more to the system.

However, in the mean time, why don't you work (1) to pass laws allowing gay couples able to adopt, nationwide, and (2) to reduce unwanted pregnancy, so there is no need for anyone to have an abortion? Both of those things would be far more productive uses of time and energy than either side in this 50%/50% dispute actually getting their way.

Bicker, I am usually on opposite sides of issues with you, but on this one, I wholeheartedly agree. You expressed my feelings exactly. Thank you.