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[xoprincessmomxo]

How do you feel about all the zygotes that are created for in vitro fertilization? Should the mother be forced to give birth to every "baby" created for that procedure? Should the procedure be made illegal?

What an excellent question! That one always boggles my mind!

As for the pro-abortion PP...

I am pro-choice for women. I personally, am pro-life in most circumstances for MYSELF. But, I cannot nor would not make that choice for another woman. Just as I could not tell a woman to not get chemo because my religion is against it (which it's not, but I know of religions that are against medical treatment), or tell someone that they can't get a blood transfusion because of religious views. It is a woman's choice. A woman's body. A woman's health. It is between a woman and her healthcare professional.

 

[HumanLegs]

This seems to be such a passionate subject, I have a few questions. Have any of you who are so pro abortion ever had an abortion? Witnessed an abortion? Or even seen a video of an abortion? Finally how many of you are members of PETA?

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

I think you mistake pro-choice for pro-abortion. If you actually ask people you'll find out that nobody really likes abortions. It's a last choice for most people. Pro-choice simply means having the choice to keep a child or not. By the same coin as you calling me pro-abortion I could say that because you're pro-gun rights you also think it's right to kill others. Now see how silly assumptions are? (I'm sure you're not pro-killing people, FTR)

Btw, what does PETA have to do with this?

 

[bicker]

Abortion is murder, no questions asked.

On the contrary, imposing that definition on someone else is immoral. Each person must decide for themselves how they feel about terminating a pregnancy. Someone else's beliefs and values are completely irrelevant to the determination.

 

[Laura]

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

I think you mistake pro-choice for pro-abortion. If you actually ask people you'll find out that nobody really likes abortions. It's a last choice for most people. Pro-choice simply means having the choice to keep a child or not. By the same coin as you calling me pro-abortion I could say that because you're pro-gun rights you also think it's right to kill others. Now see how silly assumptions are? (I'm sure you're not pro-killing people, FTR)

Btw, what does PETA have to do with this?

I'm so glad your mother was there for you. It must have been rough.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

This seems to be such a passionate subject, I have a few questions. Have any of you who are so pro abortion ever had an abortion? Witnessed an abortion? Or even seen a video of an abortion? Finally how many of you are members of PETA?

I don't know a single person who is pro-abortion. There are pro-choice people, but not pro-abortion.

You and the conservative right use that word solely to inflame. Guess what, it doesn't work.

I have never had an abortion nor would I ever.

However, I am pro-choice in that I would never force my beliefs onto somebody else.

Somebody choice belongs to them, their doctors, and their God. It does not belong to the government.

There is a 50 page thread on this that just wrapped up a few weeks ago. If you want to see everybody's viewpoints, why don't you go read that.

 

[Minnesota!]

Last time I checked Sara Palin wasn't running for POTUS. Once again McCain just thinks this should be an issue that each state can deal with independently. Finally it's not the babies fault. There are thousands of couples both gay and straight that want nothing more than to have a child but are unable to, those people want to love and care for all the throw away babies!

Tina

Abortion is murder, no questions asked.

Do you feel that a woman should be forced to give birth to a baby conceived in a rape? How about incest?

How do you feel about all the zygotes that are created for in vitro fertilization? Should the mother be forced to give birth to every "baby" created for that procedure? Should the procedure be made illegal?

In the case of embryos - I think that if a mother creates more than she will use, there needs to be a centralized "adoption bank" where she can donate her unused embryos so other want-to-be mom's can utlilize them. None should be wasted.

I have been through infertility, I am friends with people who are in the darkest times of infertility. They would benefit so greatly from adopting embryos...and have.

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

 

[HumanLegs]

Last time I checked Sara Palin wasn't running for POTUS. Once again McCain just thinks this should be an issue that each state can deal with independently. Finally it's not the babies fault. There are thousands of couples both gay and straight that want nothing more than to have a child but are unable to, those people want to love and care for all the throw away babies!

Tina

IMO it'd be AWESOME if people adopted more. However the new trend is to adopt overseas. What about the children here? What about the children that grow up in the system? What about the children who AREN'T adopted? Why are the thousands of people wanting a child unable to adopt? It's certainly not because there's a shortage of adoptable children!

 

[chrisw127]

Last time I checked Sara Palin wasn't running for POTUS. Once again McCain just thinks this should be an issue that each state can deal with independently. Finally it's not the babies fault. There are thousands of couples both gay and straight that want nothing more than to have a child but are unable to, those people want to love and care for all the throw away babies!

Tina

Okay, so all the couples who want to adopt do. What do we do with the million or so extra babies every year? Are their really that many couples out there who want to adopt? Do we just put the extra babies in an orphanage and hope for the best? Who's going to pay for this?

 

[Laura]

In the case of embryos - I think that if a mother creates more than she will use, there needs to be a centralized "adoption bank" where she can donate her unused embryos so other want-to-be mom's can utlilize them. None should be wasted.

I have been through infertility, I am friends with people who are in the darkest times of infertility. They would benefit so greatly from adopting embryos...and have.

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

Adoption is not an option for every woman who has an unplanned pregnancy. It is naive to suggest it is. A lot of children in this country are waiting to be adopted. The waiting lists are for healthy white newborns. And not every couple who undergoes IVF wants to have someone else gestate their unused blastocysts.

Just a couple of weeks ago, I first felt the "quickening" (fetal movements); for a long time most people believed that was the beginning of life. For others, it's the appearance of brain waves or a heart beat that determines the start of life.

 

[LotsOfQuestions]

Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

And I feel just as strongly as you that life does not start at conception. And there are ifs ands and buts.

So, whose viewpoint is right? Mine is just as valid as yours.

That is why there is choice.

Oh, and tell me how well Caylee Anthony did when her mother was forced to carry her to term.

 

[HumanLegs]

I'm so glad your mother was there for you. It must have been rough.

My mom's the strongest woman I've ever known. It was a terrible thing to go through. I don't wish it on my worst enemy. We made it through though and are stronger people in spite of it.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

In the case of embryos - I think that if a mother creates more than she will use, there needs to be a centralized "adoption bank" where she can donate her unused embryos so other want-to-be mom's can utlilize them. None should be wasted.

I have been through infertility, I am friends with people who are in the darkest times of infertility. They would benefit so greatly from adopting embryos...and have.

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

Do you even realize how many babies we'd have running all over the place if we were to adopt out all of the embryos, force all women to have babies that they don't want, and put them up for adoption? We'd have to go back to the old time orphanages of putting unwanted children in group homes. Especially in the crappy economy we have today when it is expensive to raise children, anway.
And if you want to practice what you preach, go out and adopt some of these kids. Don't stop at one or two. Open up your house, take as many as you can. You want these babies born, you take them in.

 

[DVCLiz]

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

Abortion is not murder. It is a legal medical procedure and any tissue living inside a mother is not a citizen. Whether you agree or disagree that life begins at conception is beside the point.

I loathe Sarah Palin for many reasons, but her stance on abortion rights alone would make me work to reduce her impact on the national agenda, even if nothing else about her made me unhappy politically.

 

[chrisw127]

IMO it'd be AWESOME if people adopted more. However the new trend is to adopt overseas. What about the children here? What about the children that grow up in the system? What about the children who AREN'T adopted? Why are the thousands of people wanting a child unable to adopt? It's certainly not because there's a shortage of adoptable children!

That's a really good question. Since there is no longer a stigma (and there shouldn't be) about being a single mother, there aren't as many young women who give up their babies. The ones who do give up their babies will choose from many, many qualified couples and the should absolutely have that right, as they are giving this couple a wonderful gift. Some of those couples, like my close friends (he works for Pixar and she is a pastry chef and they will make the best parents) will wait for years and not be picked because they dont' fit a certain profile: Maybe they're too young, maybe not young enough, they aren't the right color/religion/sports fans. Who knows? Or maybe you're like another friend who tried to adopt several times through the state's foster/adopt system, only to have them turned back over to the birth parents after they cleaned up their act. Really, adoption is great. But it's not easy. It's expensive (try $30,000 and up) requires multiple background checks and home visits, and lots and lots of time.

Sorry, did not mean to turn this into an adoption thread, but I wanted to answer your question.

 

[pixie dust 112]

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

I think you mistake pro-choice for pro-abortion. If you actually ask people you'll find out that nobody really likes abortions. It's a last choice for most people. Pro-choice simply means having the choice to keep a child or not. By the same coin as you calling me pro-abortion I could say that because you're pro-gun rights you also think it's right to kill others. Now see how silly assumptions are? (I'm sure you're not pro-killing people, FTR)

Btw, what does PETA have to do with this?

for you and your family an kudos to your mom for the support she gave you.

 

[rparmfamily]

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

I think you mistake pro-choice for pro-abortion. If you actually ask people you'll find out that nobody really likes abortions. It's a last choice for most people. Pro-choice simply means having the choice to keep a child or not. By the same coin as you calling me pro-abortion I could say that because you're pro-gun rights you also think it's right to kill others. Now see how silly assumptions are? (I'm sure you're not pro-killing people, FTR)

Btw, what does PETA have to do with this?

 

[HumanLegs]

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

I sincerely pray that no one in your family EVER has to go through the hurt and pain of being raped and forced, yes forced, to carry that child to term. Adoption is always an option. There are MILLIONS of adoptable children who aren't getting adopted, what about them? Does their plight not matter because they aren't babies anymore? What about children with special needs who don't get adopted? I find it ridiculous that you try to single out my aborted child and say I should have kept that baby. You don't control my uterus, thank God. Would my child have found a good home? Maybe. But what if he hadn't? I'd feel FAR worse if my child had never been adopted and was basically left to rot in an orphanage. I feel bad for the unwanted children that after they're no longer a ward of the state have no other options besides hooking or living on the streets. I also happen to disagree with the every life is meant for something comment. What about child rapists and molesters? What about Charles Manson or John Wayne Gacy? Was their purpose in life to kill others? What meaning have their lives had other than bringing hurt and pain to their victims?

 

[Rebelmom67]

In the case of embryos - I think that if a mother creates more than she will use, there needs to be a centralized "adoption bank" where she can donate her unused embryos so other want-to-be mom's can utlilize them. None should be wasted.

I have been through infertility, I am friends with people who are in the darkest times of infertility. They would benefit so greatly from adopting embryos...and have.

I feel ALL cases of pregnancy should be carried to term. Rape, incest, NO.MATTER.WHAT. The baby is A LIVING BEING at conception. Abortion is MURDER plain and simple. MURDER is outlawed if the person is outside the womb - why is the LIVING BEING inside the mother treated as a second class citizen?

Adoption IS an option. Every life is meant for something and YOU are not God and have no say when a human beings life should end. Life starts at conception. No ifs ands or buts.

That video did nothing for me - made me angry at the girl that she killed her child. Makes me love Palin more.

A few thoughts:

No, a woman should not be forced to "donate" her unused embryos to another infertile woman. No way, no how. That baby would genetically be the child of the woman forced to "donate" it and if that woman is not willing, this should not be done. Sounds like "socialized IVF"!!

Not everyone is keen on adoption and that is Ok.

To the rest of your post, This is one McCain/Palin supporter that finds your post scary. Sorry, I do.

 

[chrisw127]

In the case of embryos - I think that if a mother creates more than she will use, there needs to be a centralized "adoption bank" where she can donate her unused embryos so other want-to-be mom's can utlilize them. None should be wasted.

If you've adopted embryos then you know how difficult that is and you know what the success rates are. There are organizations, like Snowflakes, that do such adoptions. It is very expensive (over $10,000) and even the best clinics with embryos from the youngest patients (say, under 30) have only a 25% success rate with these embryos. What you propose is a great idea. I have a friend who is pregnant with twins right now from a private embryo adoption (no money exchanged hands--she thinks organizations like Snowflakes are horrible and have a political agenda). But no one should be forced to do this. Can you imagine how women who don't feel comfortable with embryo adoption would feel about being forced to do this? I'm happy to say that we, after a successful cycle that produced our twins, donated our frozen embryos to science. Hopefully, it will help someone.

 

[chrisw127]

Yes I had an abortion when I was 15. My mom had to take me. My uncle had raped me and molested my two younger sisters. If my daughter were ever, God forbid, in the same sort of situation I'd do the same thing my mother did for me. She let me move on with my life. She made it possible for me to graduate high school without having to care for my uncle's child. I believe if I'd had that baby I would have hated at least a part of it. Awful, but the truth, for me at least. Would it have been fairer to keep my uncle's baby? To possible risk birth defects because he's my blood relative? To be forced to carry the baby to term and give it up? Personally that decision for me was a no-brainer.

Thank you for sharing your story.