UPDATE p. 37. I finally canceled. Too much uncertainty for us.

[AmyB2006]

Very neat! If they just let the Imagineers run wild with this, this would be amazing. I, one of the few here it seems, really loved Avatar. I loved the world, the vegetation, the animals, it was just jaw droppingly beautiful to me. So this would be something I would definitely enjoy!

It looks awesome! I can't wait, if that's where they're headed with this. And I'm with you, I LOVED Avatar.

 

[EMom]

Rude comments tend to distract. If you don't want people to focus them, then don't post them.

And IMO, there are no ridiculous reasons for cancelling an annual pass to a theme park. If someone feels like it no longer meets their needs, then it would be ridiculous NOT to cancel. It's entertainment. When it's no longer entertaining, it's time to cut the strings.

Ok, see, telling someone that their friends are cancelling for "ridiculous" reasons (in YOUR opinion), and that she's blaming Disney for the bad year she's had (Really?) doesn't mitigate the rudeness. And you know what? I give up. I think I shall confine myself to the non-rude, non-snarky, the "go ahead and post whatever your concerns are, because this IS a forum for that purpose" posters. That seems to work for me.

And dennisj, taking large amounts of words to just say "Don't like it? Don't go, then, more for me" is just silly.

You don't get what the OP said in her original post. At all. Not going to explain again. Simply put, you are so off base it's actually hilarious.

You know, sometimes you just have to face the fact that you are speaking two different languages.

 

[dennis j]

You know, sometimes you just have to face the fact that you are speaking two different languages.

That is correct EMom.We do speak and think 2 different 'languages' Laughingly.. I do hope your "stressful" & " rough year' irons out. Things will get better for
you and all those poor Fl resident friends of yours who do not like FP+.

 

[jdcthree]

That is correct EMom.We do speak and think 2 different 'languages' Laughingly.. I do hope your "stressful" & " rough year' irons out. Things will get better for
you and all those poor Fl resident friends of yours who do not like FP+.

Just move on, dude. It's time.

 

[clsteve]

If the primary goal of FP+ was to manage throughput Disney could have done this with the existing infrastructure and MDE. Log on, book 3 FPs for a given park, show up and print out all of your FPs at one of the hundreds of of existing FP distribution kiosks. Or take your already RFID embedded KTTW or park ticket and wave it in front of one of the new readers that the MB wearers are now using.

Um, no they couldn't.

Remember, FP Legacy is a static system- a number of FP's are allocated per day at the distribution point and return times are incremented by based on rate of pull. There's nothing in place to allow them to dynamically manage anything- whether it's the ability for in-Park guests to make a reservation, time changes to reserved guests based on outages, etc.

FP+, being integrated with MDE, is Disney's main driver for Park Capacity, Yield, and Throughput Management. Starting 60 days out, they now have the ability to know your Park of choice on each given day, what section of the Park you will be in at a given time, can influence your Park selection by making FP+ "suggestions", etc. And, they will be able to also do this from time of reservation through your full stay.

I HIGHLY suggest you read through the great work Bcrook has compiled regarding FP+ and the specific number crunching he and others have compiled. I think it will give you a much better understanding of FP+ and the huge roll it is going to play in all of this.

Also, I'm still curious as to your thoughts on why you think we'll all be amazed at how few will utilize FP+. I think it's a safe bet that, once Disney's Marketing arm begins driving it and every CM and TA is trained and incented to, not only push it, but also begin making those FP+ reservations for guests just like they do for ADR's right now- we'll be amazed at the opposite.

 

[dennis j]

Just move on, dude. It's time.

You are soooo right. Bye Bye!

 

[larryz]

The fact that your family has had a "rough year"
and you are so stressed out is no reason to blame Disney for trying
something new to try to solve a crowding problem.

Uh, there's a tried and true method of solving a crowding problem that doesn't involve RFID, massive data gathering, doling out perks to preferred customers, etc.

It's called "building a fifth gate." And they could have done it for about the same cost.

 

[OtherScott]

Um, no they couldn't.

Remember, FP Legacy is a static system- a number of FP's are allocated per day at the distribution point and return times are incremented by based on rate of pull. There's nothing in place to allow them to dynamically manage anything- whether it's the ability for in-Park guests to make a reservation, time changes to reserved guests based on outages, etc.

FP+, being integrated with MDE, is Disney's main driver for Park Capacity, Yield, and Throughput Management. Starting 60 days out, they now have the ability to know your Park of choice on each given day, what section of the Park you will be in at a given time, can influence your Park selection by making FP+ "suggestions", etc. And, they will be able to also do this from time of reservation through your full stay.

I HIGHLY suggest you read through the great work Bcrook has compiled regarding FP+ and the specific number crunching he and others have compiled. I think it will give you a much better understanding of FP+ and the huge roll it is going to play in all of this.

Also, I'm still curious as to your thoughts on why you think we'll all be amazed at how few will utilize FP+. I think it's a safe bet that, once Disney's Marketing arm begins driving it and every CM and TA is trained and incented to, not only push it, but also begin making those FP+ reservations for guests just like they do for ADR's right now- we'll be amazed at the opposite.

What I said was that by using MDE for advance selection of FPs (you know, like they're doing now with FP+), Disney could have delivered said FPs to the guest at the park with existing kiosks and without incurring the expense of storing them on RFID storage devices and new readers at the attractions. But you knew that, since you truncated the quote.

In fact, I'd argue that the act of physically picking up one's advance selected FP+s at a park kiosk would give Disney greater confidence level in the guests' commitment to use them. And if throughput was the main driver (is it or isnt it?), degrees of intention matter.

I like disagreement. Truncated quotes to support being disagreeable? Not so much.

 

[dennis j]

Wow. The OP expressed her thoughts in a polite and informative way. She wasn't rude once. She has a right to express her thoughts here just like everyone else. You, sir, are out of line. Way out.

Another Mr or Mrs Negative.. Wow I did venture in to strange negativity territory. Nobody was out of line here. I was merely saying that AP holders in Orlando who can visit these parks any time they want.. should not be using FP+ as a reason to cancel their AP's. They are free to cancel them, of course, if they are displeased. Just my opinion.. May I add, that that is misleading to others that may be reading these posts. You sir, should place your negativity elsewhere.. Go to Universal or maybe Gatorland.. though I'm sure y'all will find something to complain about there too. So how bout you movin along DUDE!

 

[WILDERNESS FAN 55]

Uh, there's a tried and true method of solving a crowding problem that doesn't involve RFID, massive data gathering, doling out perks to preferred customers, etc.

It's called "building a fifth gate." And they could have done it for about the same cost.

Then what 5 years from now ? A sixth gate ? Then what ?

 

[ougrad86]

Please, please let Disney know why you cancelled - lack of FP's, tiering, and this never ending, ever changing test...it is crazy . We are hanging in their, we don't go until April, and it might be the last trip with our son and his best friend, he is heading off to college, and not a huge Disney fan.

I am writing them an email just in general about how mucked up this whole thing is. Anybody have a good email address?

Next time DH and I go, it will be during quieter times so we don't need to worry too much about FP's - unless everyone else decides they need to do that as well...

 

[WILDERNESS FAN 55]

Good for yuo for cancelling. I hope Disney gets the message loud and clear. We are not going to stand for all these changes. If we all cancel our trips they may rethink how they are treating us.

AH WHO"S WE ?? I love all the changes !!

 

[dennis j]

Please, please let Disney know why you cancelled - lack of FP's, tiering, and this never ending, ever changing test...it is crazy . We are hanging in their, we don't go until April, and it might be the last trip with our son and his best friend, he is heading off to college, and not a huge Disney fan.

I am writing them an email just in general about how mucked up this whole thing is. Anybody have a good email address?

Next time DH and I go, it will be during quieter times so we don't need to worry too much about FP's - unless everyone else decides they need to do that as well...

Really, the only place it is all mucked up is on these Dis Boards. Look at the positive comments too. Most are having no problem with anything. I know we did not have any problems on 2 separate vacations in which we participated in the tests. Reserved 3 rides in 1 park and everyone in our party waited no more than 5 minutes in the FP lanes. Used the paper FP passes for the rest. No problems. Don't worry. Most on this particular thread are a bunch of naysayers who apparently are not interested in Disney trying to solve wait time/ crowding issues. Fear Mongers!!

 

[Planogirl]

Sigh... My ignore list is getting so long.

I go to other message boards and there is discussion about this all over. If you don't want to talk about it then don't go into a thread that talks about it. It's not complicated.

 

[rebbyparker]

Ever changing is right. I get that Disney has to "test", what I don't get is that people who are staying in Pop in TWO days, just had their FP- privileges pulled from them with no notice. You shouldn't have to search websites to find out what's happening on your vacation in TWO days. That's NOT good customer service.

 

[Planogirl]

Ever changing is right. I get that Disney has to "test", what I don't get is that people who are staying in Pop in TWO days, just had their FP- privileges pulled from them with no notice. You shouldn't have to search websites to find out what's happening on your vacation in TWO days. That's NOT good customer service.

Where did you see that? I do wish that Disney would let people know what's up ahead of time!

ETA: NM, I think that I just saw the thread. That is weird.

 

[Colleen27]

Yeah, our family wouldn't be worried much if we were able to spend 12 days at Disney.

And there's another upside for Disney - if we can't get as much done per day, we'll all have to stay longer and spend more. There are, conservatively, seven super-headliners that are rather unpleasant to ride standby outside of very low crowd times of day and year - just enough to fill a whole week's vacation. Can't you just see the marketing now? "More magic, less waiting! "

 

[MABEE]

Really, the only place it is all mucked up is on these Dis Boards. Look at the positive comments too. Most are having no problem with anything. I know we did not have any problems on 2 separate vacations in which we participated in the tests. Reserved 3 rides in 1 park and everyone in our party waited no more than 5 minutes in the FP lanes. Used the paper FP passes for the rest. No problems. Don't worry. Most on this particular thread are a bunch of naysayers who apparently are not interested in Disney trying to solve wait time/ crowding issues. Fear Mongers!!

Shocker-- you used traditional FP and FPP on top of each other before the system had very many users, and you had no problems! Well, duh. If the FPP system was merely a bonus add-on for onsite guests to the traditional FP system, which is how you used it, you wouldn't have so much hand wringing on here. What folks (fear mongers to you) are concerned about is the fact that Disney is now explicitly saying that the FP system is closed to FPP guests, while FPP guests are limited to one headliner at Epcot, and far more limited availability for FPP scheduling at the other parks than was experienced when pulling traditional FPs. Saying "the system is great! I used it in a way that is no longer possible and I had no problems! You people are fear mongers!" helps no one.

 

[Planogirl]

Shocker-- you used traditional FP and FPP on top of each other before the system had very many users, and you had no problems! Well, duh. If the FPP system was merely a bonus add-on for onsite guests to the traditional FP system, which is how you used it, you wouldn't have so much hand wringing on here. What folks (fear mongers to you) are concerned about is the fact that Disney is now explicitly saying that the FP system is closed to FPP guests, while FPP guests are limited to one headliner at Epcot, and far more limited availability for FPP scheduling at the other parks than was experienced when pulling traditional FPs. Saying "the system is great! I used it in a way that is no longer possible and I had no problems! You people are fear mongers!" helps no one.

Not to mention that there could be even more ride rationing (love that term!) to come as Disney continues to roll everything out. I hope not but you never know.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Not to mention that there could be even more ride rationing (love that term!) to come as Disney continues to roll everything out. I hope not but you never know.

Yep. They havent even added APs yet (other than with resort stays)...