Ummmmm that's it?

[mlayton14]

how can anyone blame those of us going to Disney for many years and we now are left with “pay more , get less”. Should we care about sight lines? If we used to get that extra effort put into quality , and now we don’t , yet pay more, why should we cheerlead for Disney ? Should we commend reduced value for our money or let our (customer) voices be heard ?

 

[OSUZorba]

By the way, I do hope you realize that was meant as humor. A smiley would have helped back there. Sorry 'bout that.

That makes more sense. I thought you were being serious.

 

[bsmcneil]

Lol, I've had plenty of negative experiences, not sure why thats a question, so not even gonna try to answer that.... genuinely baffled by that statement
Plenty of people (many in this very thread) have said that they enjoyed it.

That's fine. I do wonder if you have a negative reflection of anything related to Disney - but certainly it's up to you to share. I do appreciate that you bring a particular view to the conversation

 

[luv2cheer92]

That's fine. I do wonder if you have a negative reflection of anything related to Disney - but certainly it's up to you to share. I do appreciate that you bring a particular view to the conversation

I have had plenty over the years lol, that's what I was referring to

 

[BK2014]

The globe was tucked away all day and you could look right over the barges. The amount of obstruction isn't an opinion, it's a mathematical fact. How much the obstruction bothers you is an opinion, but not the amount of obstruction.

To be fair, it is only an obstruction if you're trying to see what is on the other side of it . . .If one enjoys the view of the barges themselves is it really an obstruction?

 

[emonade8]

I will grant that this thread has been mostly on the non-personal side. People are negative about it, but not telling you that you have to be negative. However, the boards in general HAVE been that way.

Exhibit A is a poster from a few weeks ago telling me what my opinion MUST be. And let me stop your objections right there about this being just an opinion and everyone understood that, because a number of people protested and that person continued to insist that we all see things their way.

That same poster has been spreading shade around this thread as well.

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Do you want me to post exhibits B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, and J? I have a lot more. But I think the prosecution can rest it's case. Unfortunately, it's not an isolated example on these boards as late. I posted a positive thread a while back and immediately was jumped on for it. You can't be positive around these boards right now without being ridiculed and attacked.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I experienced the exact same thing recently, but in reverse. Someone who saw a certain service in only a positive light insisted that all of us with concerns/complaints about said service basically had no legitimate arguments and were just afraid of change. And they continued trying to convince us of the folly of our ways for something like 47 pages... maybe longer, idk. But I think those are outliers, not the general rule.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

And for everyone that thinks I'm a Negative Nanny, they hit Enchantment out of the park. 100%.

 

[Lisa P.]

SAME HERE! Tonight, all through Disney Enchantment, I kept thinking, "Now THIS is what I'm talkin' about!!!" Visually stunning, a fabulous mix of excellent song clips with long stretches of moving instrumental pieces to tie together the stories and a cohesive message... gorgeous, uplifting, engaging, beautiful!!!!

This is what I was hoping to see in Harmonious and why it was so disappointing - by comparison, Harmonious is not even close. Really too bad.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

Morning all. Here on day 1 of setting the alarm and getting shut out of Remy VQ (not unexpected given the day, anniversary and day 1). I am experienced at joining boarding groups but these seemed to be gone in less than a second. Lol, no big deal or surprise.

Saw the barges yesterday and they are quite the obstruction. Too bad they won't be traveling under the drawbridge and tucked away during the day.

I really really wanted to like Harmonious. After the negative feelings of Genie, LL. 7am hunger games every day, etc. I thought maybe this would be the turning point.

Nope, not for me. Disney pop Now 45 screaming aka Radio Disney. No story, flashing animation, fireworks as an after thought. Didn't elicit one chill or tear. Found myself shaking my head. Also saw a number of people leave midway through. And the exit song, awful..Like a kid's dance party. Heard one family saying "I don't know if Disney's not for us anymore or we're not for Disney". Heard another say "Wow that was a lot packed in and not in a good way". Summed up my feelings pretty well.

Saves me having to post up tonight, I may see it again but won't wait long for it.

For those who think voicing opinions on the changes we are seeing are being negative or trying to impact your vacation, sorry but it's a message board. IMO there are very valid reasons there is bad press and I hope Disney is listening.

EPCOT has always been my favorite park and strolling the WS lagoon after RoE was my favorite thing to do so I'm feeling sad today that's over. Watching VoL, seeing the CM make Mickey out of the leaves she picked up, that's the Disney I love and wish there was more of.

 

[kathi]

I remember every night of every trip for years and YEARS over tens of trips, maybe a hundred or more, our family would argue about whether we were going to go to MK to see Wishes! or Epcot to watch Illuminations. EVERY night. And we weren't the only ones.

HEA? One and done. I will glance up at the fireworks if we happen to be in MK. The "temporary" Epcot show was a total failure. At least you could buy a beer to get through it. Harmonious is yet another one and done.

The parks have always been about #Feels, and the fireworks were always designed to wrap up your night and to leave you in that mood. That wonderful feeling we all got when Wishes! ended, or as you exited Epcot after Illuminations as "Promise" played throughout the walk out. Gone. And it's a sad thing, people. A very sad thing indeed. What's even sadder is the number of people that will soon never know what it used to be.

OK. I'm done. Probably.

When we would play the game “if you could be transported to WDW right now to do one thing?”, the only answer for my family was Illuminations. The grief I have felt over it’s closing was a real thing. The Promise is our “family song”. Everyone said to wait, the new show would bring an inspiring story, meaning and magic. Harmonious was none of that. I wish they would just bring back Illuminations and use the expensive eye sore tech to project it.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I experienced the exact same thing recently, but in reverse. Someone who saw a certain service in only a positive light insisted that all of us with concerns/complaints about said service basically had no legitimate arguments and were just afraid of change. And they continued trying to convince us of the folly of our ways for something like 47 pages... maybe longer, idk. But I think those are outliers, not the general rule.

Oh, it's certainly both ways. I do not even think its exclusive to these boards, but more a product of society as we are today. It's not enough for us to have separate opinions. You have to AGREE with my opinion - no matter what it is.

To point of fact, I do not mind and am not rallying against people who want to express their disappointment with some aspect or another of Disney. Certainly, I value all opinions about things. I was not able to secure a 220 reservation, but I have seen a number of people who have complained that they had very slow service and the food was standard fare and really the only novel thing was the short elevator ride. I appreciate their viewpoint and it helps me to decide how much I care if I make it this time or another.

What I find objectionable is when someone posts to the effect of "I am looking forward to this" and they are met with "let me explain to you why you are wrong and my opinion is right". Unfortunately even though it may not be too prevalent right now in THIS thread, it's happening more than you might realize - to the point that people are afraid to express their opinions less they be labeled, attacked, or at least have their joy or enthusiasm ruined ahead of their trip.

It's one thing to tell someone what experiences they might want to make sure they see and which ones they can safely miss. It's another to tell them "you should not look forward to your trip because Disney sucks, and you are wasting your money to go there".

 

[emonade8]

It's one thing to tell someone what experiences they might want to make sure they see and which ones they can safely miss. It's another to tell them "you should not look forward to your trip because Disney sucks, and you are wasting your money to go there".

Obviously being pushy and insisting that your way is the only way is always wrong. I just don't see that from the majority of posters here. I think there are a handful like that who are just very vocal and persistent.

 

[mom2rtk]

When we would play the game “if you could be transported to WDW right now to do one thing?”, the only answer for my family was Illuminations. The grief I have felt over it’s closing was a real thing. The Promise is our “family song”. Everyone said to wait, the new show would bring an inspiring story, meaning and magic. Harmonious was none of that. I wish they would just bring back Illuminations and use the expensive eye sore tech to project it.

I need the expensive eye sore tech to go away.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

how can anyone blame those of us going to Disney for many years and we now are left with “pay more , get less”. Should we care about sight lines? If we used to get that extra effort put into quality , and now we don’t , yet pay more, why should we cheerlead for Disney ? Should we commend reduced value for our money or let our (customer) voices be heard ?

So I am not sure if this was directed at me, but I will answer anyway. I am by no means saying you have to cheerlead Disney if you do not like something in particular. I do not mind posting about your views or experiences.

What I mind are the posts that basically offer nothing more than "Disney Sucks" or "Stop wasting your money" or "stop coming here and saying positive things about the evil corporate overlords". Try to keep in mind that many of the people here are new to Disney, or at least have not been in years. They are spending a lot of their hard earned money and they are excited about their trips. They are here for advice. They are here to celebrate. They are here to learn. They want to know the must do's. The secrets and tips and tricks that experienced people like you can offer.

It's worthwhile to tell them "you can skip this and you won't miss anything". It's worthwhile to post on here that you are disappointed with Genie+ or the latest firework show. It's worthwhile to post that Disney missed a mark, but the show could be better if they do x, y, or z (in hopes someone at Disney reads this).

It's not worthwhile to tell them they will have a horrible time, that they cancel and not go, etc. It's frankly not worthwhile to say 10,000 times in every thread on every page that you hate Disney and think they should die. We saw your opinion. Thank you. Move on. If you hate Disney so much, there is no reason you need to come to a Disney board and tell us why you hate it. If you want to offer your opinion on a specific topic on a specific page in relation to the topic, sure. But you don't need to repost on every thread a generic "here are the top 20 reasons I hate Disney". Instead consider posting related to the topic "I saw this show, and to be honest you can miss it. It lacks a storyline and the music was nothing special. Maybe use that time to catch <such and such a ride>". That's helpful and useful and guides the person while still expressing your displeasure.

 

[jjb1974]

So I am not sure if this was directed at me, but I will answer anyway. I am by no means saying you have to cheerlead Disney if you do not like something in particular. I do not mind posting about your views or experiences.

What I mind are the posts that basically offer nothing more than "Disney Sucks" or "Stop wasting your money" or "stop coming here and saying positive things about the evil corporate overlords". Try to keep in mind that many of the people here are new to Disney, or at least have not been in years. They are spending a lot of their hard earned money and they are excited about their trips. They are here for advice. They are here to celebrate. They are here to learn. They want to know the must do's. The secrets and tips and tricks that experienced people like you can offer.

It's worthwhile to tell them "you can skip this and you won't miss anything". It's worthwhile to post on here that you are disappointed with Genie+ or the latest firework show. It's worthwhile to post that Disney missed a mark, but the show could be better if they do x, y, or z (in hopes someone at Disney reads this).

It's not worthwhile to tell them they will have a horrible time, that they cancel and not go, etc. It's frankly not worthwhile to say 10,000 times in every thread on every page that you hate Disney and think they should die. We saw your opinion. Thank you. Move on. If you hate Disney so much, there is no reason you need to come to a Disney board and tell us why you hate it. If you want to offer your opinion on a specific topic on a specific page in relation to the topic, sure. But you don't need to repost on every thread a generic "here are the top 20 reasons I hate Disney". Instead consider posting related to the topic "I saw this show, and to be honest you can miss it. It lacks a storyline and the music was nothing special. Maybe use that time to catch <such and such a ride>". That's helpful and useful and guides the person while still expressing your displeasure.

What you're describing isn't a forum, it's a wiki-tour guide.

Let the moderators moderate.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

I need the expensive eye sore tech to go away.

The coolest thing to me as a kid was when they projected the spinning earth laser on spaceship earth. Part of the reason it was cool was the lasers were well positioned at the top of the pavilions and could not be seen. One of my biggest criticisms of Disney is that we have the technology, the know-how and the ability to make technology hidden, but effective. The eye sore bugs me in all things. Technology should be seen, but invisible if that makes sense. I like technology that is hidden in walls, ceilings, floors, etc but there when you need it. It would cost more, but how much cooler if the stargate rose from under the lagoon? If the barges came out when needed but otherwise were not seen?

I wish Disney did more of that. The tech exists.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

What you're describing isn't a forum, it's a wiki-tour guide.

Let the moderators moderate.

Or I am describing being respectful.

Does it make you feel better coming here and ruining peoples vacations? Does that give you jollies? That says more about you than it does about me.

 

[SCDisneyfanatic]

Since this is a thread about HarmoniUS (I think)...can anyone that actually experienced it in person give a take on where to stand and where to avoid? From what I gathered, the water pictures are not a 360 view...or did I get that wrong? Anyway, just trying to decide where I should stake a pole to watch this show...and, of course, decide for myself the overall value. Thanks in advance!!

 

[J'aime Paris]

I was entertained!!!

 

[MrWreckless]

Before my trip i thought people were over exaggerating the size of those barges. I am here to tell you, if you havent seen them in person, whatever size you think they are in pictures, they are double that size. They are massive and absolutely ruin the view across the lake.