TSM standby-less test Oct. 6-9

[mesaboy2]

Never mind. Not worth debating one whose meaning changes from post to post. The thread has long outlasted it's usefulness anyway.

I am ~unsubbing.

 

[spideymike]

I haven't read all 100+ pages, but after being at WDW last weekend for the Tower of Terror RunDisney weekend, though I love the idea of FP+, I personally think adding it to ever ride has made the lines even longer - at least it felt that way to me.

I remember in years past waiting no more than 20 minutes or so for Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Caribbean - and now with FP+ they're all 30-45 minute waits.

Seems to me we're going back to the days of not being able to see and do what you want back when Disney World had those limited ticket allocations in the 1970s.

 

[lugnut33]

Others may have given their input but, for what it is worth, here's what I observed at the park last week:

1. There were at least 20 Disney employees outside the ride to deal with upset guests. This included the regular ride employees, additional HS employees, guest service representatives (the outfits they wear when they are taking VIP guests around the park) and executives (in business suits).

2. When I entered the park, a sign was posted (inside the park, after you had already paid and entered) that said "Toy Story Mania has reached capacity for the day."

3. People were very angry and children were crying outside the ride. This was the last day of the "test" and the employees looked tired and worn out.

4. We got to ride (long story). As were were getting in our ride vehicle, I looked at the employee helping us and said "I bet you're ready for a new week, huh?" (S)he (being vague because I don't want to get anyone in trouble) gave me a half-hearted smile and said that (s)he was. I said "Why are they doing this?" (S)he replied "They are testing out a system to make every ride only available via fast pass. The goal is for everyone to stand in line less than 15 minutes for every ride in every park." (For what it is worth, I would be shocked if this was the real reason for the test as it doesn't even make sense -- but I'm just telling you what (s)he told me.) (S)he also made a comment that (s)he didn't know the test was happening "until the night before when our managers gathered us together to inform us of what would be happening the next morning."

The ride broke down while we were getting off of it. Not only did they clear everyone off the ride, they made everyone in the queue leave the building. It was right before the park closed so I felt terrible for those people as I highly doubt they got to come back inside!

It's OK because they are taking one for the team.

 

[cakebaker]

Never mind. Not worth debating one whose meaning changes from post to post. The thread has long outlasted it's usefulness anyway.

I am ~unsubbing.

Nor is it worth debating one who falls back on the tired old, "you just can't see the truth" excuse when all else fails.

 

[Suvadoo]

Talking polls and data- just read the thread with the poll on rating your last WDW vacation - the results sure seem convincing that people are pretty satisfied with the direction Disney is taking.

When you consider how reluctant people are to change , I was surprised to see those results however unscientific they may be.

If you're looking at the same poll I am, then I think the questions are open to interpretation. The poll asks how you would rate your 2014 WDW vacation and most respondents say their trip was as good as previous trips (40.06%). But here's the catch, how good were previous trips? Let's say someone had a lousy trip in 2013 and their 2014 trip was about the same.. that's not much to brag about. Or wastheir 2013 trip was fab and so was 2014.

What I found interesting are the next 2 groups:

27.88% Said their 2014 trip was better than previous trips
28.85% Said the 2014 trip was disappointing compared to previous trips.

Here's the link: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3339245

 

[mesaboy2]

Nor is it worth debating one who falls back on the tired old, "you just can't see the truth" excuse when all else fails.

You read interesting things. "Blind trust in Disney corporate".

Off to the IL.

 

[lugnut33]

If you're looking at the same poll I am, then I think the questions are open to interpretation. The poll asks how you would rate your 2014 WDW vacation and most respondents say their trip was as good as previous trips (40.06%). But here's the catch, how good were previous trips? Let's say someone had a lousy trip in 2013 and their 2014 trip was about the same.. that's not much to brag about. Or wastheir 2013 trip was fab and so was 2014.

What I found interesting are the next 2 groups:

27.88% Said their 2014 trip was better than previous trips
28.85% Said the 2014 trip was disappointing compared to previous trips.

Here's the link: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3339245

So the negatives and the positives are running about equal. I'd think that was a terrible result if I was Disney considering the money invested.

 

[Suvadoo]

So the negatives and the positives are running about equal. I'd think that was a terrible result if I was Disney considering the money invested.

That's what I thought, but I agree that it's unscientific.

 

[cakebaker]

If you're looking at the same poll I am, then I think the questions are open to interpretation. The poll asks how you would rate your 2014 WDW vacation and most respondents say their trip was as good as previous trips (40.06%). But here's the catch, how good were previous trips? Let's say someone had a lousy trip in 2013 and their 2014 trip was about the same.. that's not much to brag about. Or wastheir 2013 trip was fab and so was 2014.

What I found interesting are the next 2 groups:

27.88% Said their 2014 trip was better than previous trips
28.85% Said the 2014 trip was disappointing compared to previous trips.

Here's the link: http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3339245

Polls are always subject to interpretation.

I just expected to find, with all the complaining I read, a huge number saying they had a miserable time. The comments explaining their votes seem to confirm the positive feelings and while I haven't read them all, I didn't catch any that said they voted better than because the last one was lousy.

Again, it's not in any way scientific and all it says is the people that voted felt the way they felt- it is no more indicative of how the general public feels as a whole than say..uhh..facebook comments.

 

[lugnut33]

So because only half the people are upset the new MDE is an unqualified success? Is that what you're trying to say Cakebaker?

 

[cakebaker]

So because only half the people are upset the new MDE is an unqualified success? Is that what you're trying to say Cakebaker?

Half?

My opinion is not based on this poll on any other opinions I read. But, half?

 

[hacknsuit]

So wife and I got back from a quick weekend trip a 2 weekends ago and used FP+ at EPCOT. By noon we were done and could only add on the land and spaceship earth for the rest of the day...one after the other..not at the same time. No more soarin or TT. So...if they go to FP+ only...pretty much a waste of a ticket if you're only going to get to ride 3 or 4 rides for an entire day. Seems like poor planning to remove standby. even with 60-90 wait...we could have done 4 or 5 more "good" rides.

 

[lugnut33]

Half?

My opinion is not based on this poll on any other opinions I read. But, half?

Yes, throw out the "same" results. The left overs are half.

 

[cakebaker]

Yes, throw out the "same" results. The left overs are half.

Why would you throw out the category "as good as"?

Oh, wait, I know. Because it lets you twist the results.

Just for the sake of argument, because even though as I see these numbers as surprisingly good, they mean nothing---

72-73% think their last trip was at least as good as the prior trip or better.

30% or so think it was disappointing.

There's no way to twist that to half the people polled we're unhappy.

Slightly more thought their trip was better than thought their trip was disappointing.

There's no way to twist that to half the people polled were unhappy.

Btw, some statistician can explain why it totals over 100-

 

[lugnut33]

Why would you throw out the category "as good as"?



72-73% think their last trip was at least the same or worse.


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fixed that for you

 

[cakebaker]

fixed that for you

72-73% think their last trip was at least the same or worse.

well that wasn't the choice so let's really correct it using the slant you want...

72-73 thought their trip was as good as or worse...That really doesn't make much sense to say that way-

I consider the vote- just as good as to be positive, wouldn't you?

My trip in 2012 was great- 2013 was just as good.
or
My trip in 2012 sucked. My trip in 2013 was just as good.

Which makes sense to you?

And there's still no way to say that half the people were unhappy.
At this point, you're being silly.

 

[Madame]

well that wasn't the choice so let's really correct it using the slant you want... 72-73 thought their trip was as good as or worse...That really doesn't make much sense to say that way- I consider the vote- just as good as to be positive, wouldn't you? My trip in 2012 was great- 2013 was just as good. or My trip in 2012 sucked. My trip in 2013 was just as good. Which makes sense to you? And there's still no way to say that half the people were unhappy. At this point, you're being silly.

I've been following along & find this discussion interesting.

I agree that 72-73% rating their 2014 vacations as good as or better than previous vacations a good result, IF you don't factor in the $$$$$$$ they spent on the new system. What is it? $1.5 billion? I should think for that kind of investment in improving customer experience that you'd see a better DIS poll result & less negative feedback on FB.

Just MHO

 

[cakebaker]

I've been following along & find this discussion interesting.

I agree that 72-73% rating their 2014 vacations as good as or better than previous vacations a good result, IF you don't factor in the $$$$$$$ they spent on the new system. What is it? $1.5 billion? I should think for that kind of investment in improving customer experience that you'd see a better DIS poll result & less negative feedback on FB.

Just MHO

Coming from the dis- I find it an amazingly high number. lol

At any rate, considering it's a new system, the summer crowds experiencing it for the first time- not bad at all. People hate change. And this is all IF you think it's representative of people overall- and as I've said time and again- I don't.

 

[SirDuff]

Why would you throw out the category "as good as"?

Oh, wait, I know. Because it lets you twist the results.

Just for the sake of argument, because even though as I see these numbers as surprisingly good, they mean nothing---

72-73% think their last trip was at least as good as the prior trip or better.

30% or so think it was disappointing.

There's no way to twist that to half the people polled we're unhappy.

Slightly more thought their trip was better than thought their trip was disappointing.

There's no way to twist that to half the people polled were unhappy.

Btw, some statistician can explain why it totals over 100 -

You could vote more than once (or, rather, choose as many options as you wanted when you voted). As of right now, there were 318 voters, but 328 votes.

 

[cakebaker]

You could vote more than once (or, rather, choose as many options as you wanted when you voted). As of right now, there were 318 voters, but 328 votes.

Oh man! If I had figured that out, I would've skewed the poll myself!