TSM standby-less test Oct. 6-9

[FLchick415]

Nobody should let one single attraction ruin their whole day. At best it may be a disappointment in an otherwise fine day...and a handful of disappointed guests may contribute to helping Disney see that this is a stupid idea.

Then let it happen as it may, Disney doesn't need your "help". I already saw pictures if a line out the door at GS. People are going to complain whether or not you play your weird little game.

 

[ArwenMarie]

If they gave out different FPs per ticket/resort/onsite/offsite, I think that is the kind of thing that they would not advertise.

That way they can increase the satisfaction of such customers without ticking off everyone else. Also, how would they even advertise something like that.

On the other hand, I think if they increase the number of FPs for onsite etc, then that is something they would advertise.

 

[magicbob]

Nobody should let one single attraction ruin their whole day. At best it may be a disappointment in an otherwise fine day...and a handful of disappointed guests may contribute to helping Disney see that this is a stupid idea.

But if not getting to ride is merely a minor disappointment, then why shouldn't Disney make this change permanent? By that logic, this is not such a big deal, so there's no reason to try and sabotage it. After all, it will be an otherwise fine day.

 

[kidsgobears]

But we are staying offsite this year and we paid the same amount for our tickets as the family staying onsite but we can't book FP+ 60 days out. Different park experiences same park price.

I didn't say there was the same park experience just that one should expect the same experience. We always stay onsite and I don't think we should get to book earlier than those that are offsite.

Well, we used to stay onsite. Considered a trip this Fall and decided that we would be too frustrated with fp+.

Cakebaker, Not sure why ones dining experience would depend on where they were staying.

 

[glvsav37]

Nobody should let one single attraction ruin their whole day. At best it may be a disappointment in an otherwise fine day...and a handful of disappointed guests may contribute to helping Disney see that this is a stupid idea.

Tell that to the kid who can't now and won't be back for quite some time.

Douche move and who are you to play a part in this. It is a bad move by WDW, but even dumber by you to think you are exercising any level of influence over this.

Karma is a *****.

 

[glvsav37]

But if not getting to ride is merely a minor disappointment, then why shouldn't Disney make this change permanent? By that logic, this is not such a big deal, so there's no reason to try and sabotage it. After all, it will be an otherwise fine day.

Ohhhh....logic! It has no place in this situation

 

[over50visits]

But it already doesn't work that way.

Off site guests do not get the same park experience on site guests get. Not all resort guests get the same dining experience either. It's not a leap of faith to think that they'll extend that into Deluxe vs Moderate vs Value in regards to other things.

I don't think it has a thing to do with being "fair". It has to do with whether doing that will increase revenue without costing them in other ways. Disney is not concerned with "fair".

I can see it now...A **free** A&E fp with every 7 day or longer Deluxe stay!

Maybe someday they'll get to the Universal system.

Stay in a deluxe resort, and you have unlimited FP+ to almost all rides, no planning, no reservation, enjoy your day, skip the long lines. Your overpriced resort room paid for it. It works perfectly at Universal Studios (except for the overpriced part). Perfectly.

Disney will likely get there, but the road will be painful. The Soarin' SB+ and the TSMM FP+only experiments are examples of that pain.

The road there does NOT consist of telling some people who planned, anticipated, paid, and arrive here with their families that they cannot stand in line for a ride, even if they want to.

It's about time today (4:30 EST) for the turned away guests to start voicing their objections. As if that will be a surprise for Disney. But, I can just see the board room: "A great success!!! No long lines at TSSM!"

 

[Laketravis]

....But, I can just see the board room: "A great success!!! No long lines at TSSM!"

I can already see the guest survey questions:

"How did you feel about TSM being FP only with no standby line allowed?"

A. I liked it, it made my visit more pleasant
B. I loved it, it made me want to come back tomorrow
C. I wet my pants it was such a pleasurable experience
D. All of the above

 

[cakebaker]

Cakebaker, Not sure why ones dining experience would depend on where they were staying.

During free dining- Deluxe guests get more on their dining plan than value/campsites do.

 

[kidsgobears]

Cakebaker, Not sure why ones dining experience would depend on where they were staying.

During free dining- Deluxe guests get more on their dining plan than value/campsites do.[/QUOTE]

But that's still tied to how much you paid for your resort experience since it's tied to the room reservation and it's the resort then paying for your dining (I think I have that correct?) Plus, you still have the option to upgrade your free dining and you'd still be paying a lot less per night.

 

[faneuil]

If they gave out different FPs per ticket/resort/onsite/offsite, I think that is the kind of thing that they would not advertise.

That way they can increase the satisfaction of such customers without ticking off everyone else. Also, how would they even advertise something like that.

On the other hand, I think if they increase the number of FPs for onsite etc, then that is something they would advertise.

Ahh, but guests talk. I think the #1 conversation I hear in line is "Where are you from? where are you staying?" from there, it all leads to the guest experience.

So guests would do the "advertising" for them, and hence, help to sell rooms in the deluxe resorts.

 

[DisUniversal]

But if not getting to ride is merely a minor disappointment, then why shouldn't Disney make this change permanent? By that logic, this is not such a big deal, so there's no reason to try and sabotage it. After all, it will be an otherwise fine day.

Because right now it's a single ride for a few days. If this 'idea' spreads to multiple attractions, it could start to ruin days.

 

[ScottieMouse]

Maybe someday they'll get to the Universal system.

Stay in a deluxe resort, and you have unlimited FP+ to almost all rides, no planning, no reservation, enjoy your day, skip the long lines. Your overpriced resort room paid for it. It works perfectly at Universal Studios (except for the overpriced part). Perfectly.

Disney will likely get there, but the road will be painful. The Soarin' SB+ and the TSMM FP+only experiments are examples of that pain.

The road there does NOT consist of telling some people who planned, anticipated, paid, and arrive here with their families that they cannot stand in line for a ride, even if they want to.

It's about time today (4:30 EST) for the turned away guests to start voicing their objections. As if that will be a surprise for Disney. But, I can just see the board room: "A great success!!! No long lines at TSSM!"

Personally I am a fan of the Universal Express system, but I wonder if it would really work out at Disney. They have a larger amount of guests so I could see "FastPass" lines not really working out that way.

Also Universal doesn't allow it for their current big hit attractions (Potter). So that would mean just standard lines for 7DMT and A&E. Whether that is good or bad is up to each person I guess.

 

[Mkrop]

By limiting the number of people allowed to get in line, they can ensure that those few who DO get to ride have no wait. All that's missing from the equation is someone at the exit taking a push poll to support the conclusion that this system results in happier guests who didn't have to wait in line. Just make sure you don't accidentally include any of the guests who were turned away altogether in your poll sample.

DisUniversal, you don't need to take away FP+ from 5 more people. Disney is doing a perfectly fine job of screwing the guests over without your assistance.

Exactly, what this other poster is doing is incredibly rude and selfish to other guests.

 

[cakebaker]

During free dining- Deluxe guests get more on their dining plan than value/campsites do.

But that's still tied to how much you paid for your resort experience since it's tied to the room reservation and it's the resort then paying for your dining (I think I have that correct?) Plus, you still have the option to upgrade your free dining and you'd still be paying a lot less per night.[/QUOTE]

It's only tied to your resort in that the more you paid, the more you get.

I'm a firm believer no one is entitled to anything as far as WDW is concerned. Nothing is given or taken away in order to be "fair". You get what WDW thinks works best for them profit wise. The more you spend, the more you get. It works that way in almost everything, WDW is no different.

They cannot charge the rates they do when you can get the same or better off site without giving you something that makes you want to do that. It's the only reason perks exist. Its my opinion that they aren't giving enough for a lot of people to justify paying those rates. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them make a change.

 

[patty57]

I can already see the guest survey questions:

"How did you feel about TSM being FP only with no standby line allowed?"

A. I liked it, it made my visit more pleasant
B. I loved it, it made me want to come back tomorrow
C. I wet my pants it was such a pleasurable experience
D. All of the above

Oooh...oooh...I pick D. Now I have to go change my pants.

 

[cakebaker]

Exactly, what this other poster is doing is incredibly rude and selfish to other guests.

Just a suggestion, and it took me a few pages to get here myself, but ignoring him might be the best solution. He obviously wants attention. Ignore him, maybe he'll get busy patting himself on the back for his monumental accomplishment and stop crowing about it.

 

[NavyDad]

Maybe someday they'll get to the Universal system.

Stay in a deluxe resort, and you have unlimited FP+ to almost all rides, no planning, no reservation, enjoy your day, skip the long lines. Your overpriced resort room paid for it. It works perfectly at Universal Studios (except for the overpriced part). Perfectly.

Disney will likely get there, but the road will be painful. The Soarin' SB+ and the TSMM FP+only experiments are examples of that pain.

The road there does NOT consist of telling some people who planned, anticipated, paid, and arrive here with their families that they cannot stand in line for a ride, even if they want to.

It's about time today (4:30 EST) for the turned away guests to start voicing their objections. As if that will be a surprise for Disney. But, I can just see the board room: "A great success!!! No long lines at TSSM!"

I love Universal!

However that system would never be sustainable at WDW. The number of rooms is just not comparable.

In fact as UO adds room capacity I believe you see them shift closer to the WDW system as far patents allow.

 

[practicallyperfect77]

But that's still tied to how much you paid for your resort experience since it's tied to the room reservation and it's the resort then paying for your dining (I think I have that correct?) Plus, you still have the option to upgrade your free dining and you'd still be paying a lot less per night.

It's only tied to your resort in that the more you paid, the more you get.

I'm a firm believer no one is entitled to anything as far as WDW is concerned. Nothing is given or taken away in order to be "fair". You get what WDW thinks works best for them profit wise. The more you spend, the more you get. It works that way in almost everything, WDW is no different.

They cannot charge the rates they do when you can get the same or better off site without giving you something that makes you want to do that. It's the only reason perks exist. Its my opinion that they aren't giving enough for a lot of people to justify paying those rates. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them make a change.[/QUOTE]

I'm a firm believer guests should be entitled to stand in a 5 hour line if they want to. Not a fan of this FP+ only.crap.

 

[Minnesota!]

Every day the magic dies a little more. What a douche move.