Transfer/Selling Partially Used Premium Tix???

[dhb2006]

As regards E-Bay, you are only purchasing the 'pass', not any 'days' that may or may not be on the pass. If it is sold as a 5-Day Premium pass, you are buying a ticket that says '5-Day Premium', not necessarily the 5 days that may or may not be on the pass. Makes the decision as to whether or not you want to risk it a bit easier, doesn't it?

Don't know exactly what you're trying to say...but, when I sold mine in 2004, I bought 5-day Plus tix from a legitimate ticket site...
we used 2 days and 1-plus on each ticket...when I sold them I explained exactly what they were...5-day+ tix with 3 days and 1 plus remaining.

I would NEVER have purchased tix off eBay myself...just due to all the actual scammers on there.

 

[SnackyStacky]

Regarding my "corporate giant" comment...it was not meant as any excuse to justify that I was violating their "contract"...it was meant like this...
I didn't really think about it being "wrong" as it seemed VERY common and acceptable on eBay...whom will usually pull auctions that should not be on there...
especially if Disney were to have brought it to eBay's attention...because of this, there was NO WAY I was going to feel guilty about getting
money back on days that I didn't use...there were hundreds of auctions for the same tix at the time...

Well - what I see here then is - "Everybody else is doing it! So why not me?". And that to me is just as poor a justification as "They're a huge corporation!"

What cleo was saying earlier is that when people bid on a Disney ticket on EBay - you are purchasing the PHYSICAL ticket. NOT the entitlements. What does that mean? You own the piece of paper. Not the right to enter a Disney park. THAT'S why those auctions aren't pulled. Because legally - anybody has the right to sell a piece of paper if they want to. And they can charge what the market will bear.

I was supposed to feel bad for Disney...I don't think so.
Do they feel bad charging me $4 for that small Pepsi in the park??? Not likely!!

When did I ask you to feel bad for Disney?

Do I believe $4 for a soda is exorbitant? Absolutely! That's why I bring a water bottle to the parks with me. I choose not to purchase that exorbitantly priced beverage.

I too, believe in Karma...but, I really don't look at someone selling "non-tranferable" tickets as inviting bad Karma.
Treating another person like crap...unjustifiably...well, yeah, then watch out for Karma to bite you back.
If it does include selling my tix, then I better watch out, cuz I'm gonna get bit!!

I think we have very different ideas on karma. My idea is that if you do something that you shouldn't be doing - you're gonna get it. We can get narrower and say that it extends to hurting a friend, or we can go broader and say that it extends to violating a contract. I go by the broader version.

You also mentioned something about how you would never BUY tickets off of EBay - but you wouldn't think twice about selling them. That - I REALLY can't grasp. The logic evades me. Furthermore - you're going BACK to Disney - so why have sold the admission in the first place? Again - not judgemental, just trying to understand your view point.

 

[mbolton]

Hey, here's another piece of evidence that the biometrics are not real...
Don't you think that families with four very similar looking passes would mess up who's is who's all the time? And so why do you never (I have never at least) see families not having their tickets work and then swapping them trying to get them to the right person?

 

[kaytieeldr]

I think since the beginning of this thread, everyone here KNOWS that the tix are "non-transferable"...which is the reason I started this thread...to find out.
I still plan to go to Disney. What it says on the tickets now, really don't matter. The bottom line is that EVERY ticket will now
be tied to each person biometrically...so, does it really matter what it SAYS on the ticket?

Of course it does. You, or I, or any individual is NOT an authorized {Disney} ticket reseller. Therefore, none of us can legally sell or transfer possession of ANY Disney admission media to any person for whose use the pass was not intended at the time of purchase. So, yes, I can buy passes for my family and give them to my family, but I can't buy a pass and then sell it on ebay (or by any other means) whether I've used the pass or not. Now, if I haven't used any days and give it to my nephew to use instead of me, that's fine. But I can't then take it back from him after he's used even one day.

Call me a sceptic, prove me wrong, I don't believe the biometrics really works. The old hoppers are supposedly now tied to biometrics, right? So why when we went this past Tday, when the four of us entered three parks using old hoppers and switched who used which pass every time we entered a park (three different entrances), did we never get stopped? Anyone ever try this with their new passes?

Well, to the best of my knowledge, the old hoppers (pre-MYW) never required or were set up for biometric readings/measurements.

Don't know exactly what you're trying to say...but, when I sold mine in 2004, I bought 5-day Plus tix from a legitimate ticket site...
we used 2 days and 1-plus on each ticket...when I sold them I explained exactly what they were...5-day+ tix with 3 days and 1 plus remaining.
I would NEVER have purchased tix off eBay myself...just due to all the actual scammers on there.

Okay, you have to admit, that's an interesting perspective - it's okay for you to sell tickets (that you know you legally can't) on ebay, but not for you to buy them?

 

[mbolton]

Disney says that all the tickets are tied to biometrics now, including previously issued hoppers. They make EVERYONE finger scan.

 

[Stacy9402]

Well I was getting scared reading these posts. So I called Disney to find out if my biometric scan did not match the ticket I had what would happen and they said they thought I would be fine especially if I had ID on me.

And just to let you all know I am not trying to use someone else's ticket it was the one I got last year. But I have a bone deformity in my arms, elbows and hands and there has been times when they haven't matched the scan and they keep having me redo it and if it finally doesn't match after the third try they have in the past just waved me thru but I got a little worried reading your alls post so I gave them a call. So the worst that could happen to me is I would have to show my ID so if you sell or give your ticket to somebody they might have to show ID.

But what puzzles me is my father in law bought 7 tickets last year and gave them out to us and I don't recall giving my name when I went thru the turnstiles. So how would they know from my ID that it was me.

Stacy

 

[dhb2006]

You also mentioned something about how you would never BUY tickets off of EBay - but you wouldn't think twice about selling them. That - I REALLY can't grasp. The logic evades me. Furthermore - you're going BACK to Disney - so why have sold the admission in the first place? Again - not judgemental, just trying to understand your view point.

Ok...SnackyStacky and kaytieeldr...I thought I made myself clear regarding the eBay thing...but, I guess not...
I have perfect feedback on eBay (330+) and am an honest seller/buyer/etc...I know when I was selling the tix, that they would work for whomever bought them...
BUT, there were also many stories floating around (in forums like this one) which stated that some people were buying tix off eBay...
then when they went to use them, they did NOT have any days left on them, ect...they were getting ripped off.

Re: going back to Disney...If I KNEW 2 years ago that I was would be going back so soon, I might have kept the tix...
but, NOT knowing that and not wanting $1000 tied up in tix that were sitting around...I chose the option of selling them on eBay.
Just stating what I did, why I did it and that's it...NOT saying it was "right" based on the info on the back of the tickets...JUST stating what happened...period.

 

[dhb2006]

Of course it does. You, or I, or any individual is NOT an authorized {Disney} ticket reseller. Therefore, none of us can legally sell or transfer possession of ANY Disney admission media to any person for whose use the pass was not intended at the time of purchase. So, yes, I can buy passes for my family and give them to my family, but I can't buy a pass and then sell it on ebay (or by any other means) whether I've used the pass or not. Now, if I haven't used any days and give it to my nephew to use instead of me, that's fine. But I can't then take it back from him after he's used even one day.

You're missing my point...what I'm saying is that IF the biometric system is in place...which would "link" YOU to a specific ticket now...
then what it says on the back of the ticket is "irrelevant" due to the fact that the ticket is tied to YOU and NO ONE else would apparently be able to use it.
Based on the biometric system linking you to the ticket...you COULDN'T sell it if you wanted to...or, at least, no one else could use it.
So, it would have NO value to anyone else...but, to the person it was linked to.

 

[mickeyfan2]

The above is correct, but I'm wondering if anyone knows what Disney does if the fingers don't match the tickets?

When my fingers did not work on my AP they asked to see my drivers license to match the name.

 

[jim and meesie]

I agree that it's frustrating having so much money tied up in Disney a passes.

If anyone from Disney is listening, lurking, how about creating a deposit account that the last day of your trip you redeposit your family's passes in a Disney "account" to "bank" for a future trip. You get a Disney account number and when you are planning a trip you can view the account to see what is banked. When you go back to Disney you present ID to withdraw the passes to use at the parks. The information is already being held in Disney's computer banks. I don't trust little pieces of plastic to hold all this information and value for years at a time. They can so easily be lost or misplaced.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I disagree. A 10-day non-expiring pass (let's say non-hopping) costs $345 plus tax. A 5-day non-expiring pass costs $239. Splitting a 10-day between 2 different people instead of buying 2 passes costs Disney $133.

Exactly.

 

[dhb2006]

Well - what I see here then is - "Everybody else is doing it! So why not me?". And that to me is just as poor a justification as "They're a huge corporation!"

What cleo was saying earlier is that when people bid on a Disney ticket on EBay - you are purchasing the PHYSICAL ticket. NOT the entitlements. What does that mean? You own the piece of paper. Not the right to enter a Disney park. THAT'S why those auctions aren't pulled. Because legally - anybody has the right to sell a piece of paper if they want to. And they can charge what the market will bear.



When did I ask you to feel bad for Disney?

Do I believe $4 for a soda is exorbitant? Absolutely! That's why I bring a water bottle to the parks with me. I choose not to purchase that exorbitantly priced beverage.



I think we have very different ideas on karma. My idea is that if you do something that you shouldn't be doing - you're gonna get it. We can get narrower and say that it extends to hurting a friend, or we can go broader and say that it extends to violating a contract. I go by the broader version.

You also mentioned something about how you would never BUY tickets off of EBay - but you wouldn't think twice about selling them. That - I REALLY can't grasp. The logic evades me. Furthermore - you're going BACK to Disney - so why have sold the admission in the first place? Again - not judgemental, just trying to understand your view point.

First off, I referred to them as a "corporate giant"...NOT "a HUGE corporation"...not that there is really a difference
but, if you're gonna quote me, make sure to get it right. I ONLY said that I was NOT going to feel bad for them when I sold my tix in 2004...
thinking I was taking money away from them...that is just ridiculous!!
I'm NOT saying what I did was right or wrong...I'm JUST stating what I did with my tix back in 2004...period.

Re: the eBay and the tix being pieces of paper that anyone can sell and eBay can't stop them from selling paper, etc...
you are absolutely WRONG on this...ie: I read an article a while back where they were cancelling auctions for DirecTV access cards...
plastic cards similar in size to a credit card...these were cards that were distributed to account users with their receivers...
BUT, DirecTV found out that their cards could be "hacked" to receive free programming...they contacted eBay and had them cancel auctions
that were selling these cards...these cards are the same
as Smart Cards used for MANY other different data systems (ie: security,etc).
So, they CAN stop whatever they want to.

Re: the beverages/food prices...I agree...I would do the same and bring stuff with me...I'm just pointing out that IMO they should lower those prices.

Re: Karma...if Karma is gonna kick my a$$ for selling tix on eBay, then so be it!!

 

[dhb2006]

Originally Posted by blueroses
I disagree. A 10-day non-expiring pass (let's say non-hopping) costs $345 plus tax. A 5-day non-expiring pass costs $239. Splitting a 10-day between 2 different people instead of buying 2 passes costs Disney $133.

Exactly.

True...BUT, when I buy a 10-day...use only 5 days and never return...Disney is making out...ALWAYS look at BOTH sides of a situation.

 

[mickeyfan2]

True...BUT, when I buy a 10-day...use only 5 days and never return...Disney is making out...ALWAYS look at BOTH sides of a situation.

So maybe you should. If I did not want 5 extra days I would have bought the 5 days and not the 10 days and got exactly what I wanted. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[TSR6]

Call me a sceptic, prove me wrong, I don't believe the biometrics really works. The old hoppers are supposedly now tied to biometrics, right? So why when we went this past Tday, when the four of us entered three parks using old hoppers and switched who used which pass every time we entered a park (three different entrances), did we never get stopped? Anyone ever try this with their new passes?

mbolton - When you purchase tickets together in one transaction - the biometrics are linked to eachother. This way Mom & Dad can accidently grab the wrong ticket, while little Johnny must have his child ticket. It was done to speed up the lines.

Hey, here's another piece of evidence that the biometrics are not real...
Don't you think that families with four very similar looking passes would mess up who's is who's all the time? And so why do you never (I have never at least) see families not having their tickets work and then swapping them trying to get them to the right person?

As long as they bought them from Disney, in the same transaction - the tickets are linked to eachother. Otherwise, they have to do the "Try this one ...... no.... ok.... Try this one" - trust me, I've seen them try every ticket in a handful to get a match. Thankfully, the CM made them sign the proper ticket at this point.

 

[dhb2006]

So maybe you should. If I did not want 5 extra days I would have bought the 5 days and not the 10 days and got exactly what I wanted. Why is this so hard to understand?

I'm really trying to keep this thread civil...but, some people make it SO hard!!
I am just pointing out the fact that people purchase tickets with X number of days and don't always end up using ALL the days.
If I KNEW what the future would be, I'd be a millionaire!! My point is that some people pay a little extra to get a 10-day ticket...
with plans of say using 5 now and 5 in the future...well, if tomorrow never comes, then Disney actually made more per day on the 5-days used,
due to the remainder of the ticket never being used. UUHHHGGG!!!

 

[mickeyfan2]

I'm really trying to keep this thread civil...but, some people make it SO hard!!
I am just pointing out the fact that people purchase tickets with X number of days and don't always end up using ALL the days.
If I KNEW what the future would be, I'd be a millionaire!! My point is that some people pay a little extra to get a 10-day ticket...
with plans of say using 5 now and 5 in the future...well, if tomorrow never comes, then Disney actually made more per day on the 5-days used,
due to the remainder of the ticket never being used. UUHHHGGG!!!

Let me understand your point. I buy an AP where I can enter the park 365 days out of 365 days and I don't then it is ok to let somebody else go when I can't since I paid for 365 days?

If you do not have any plan to go in the near future than only buy the 5 days of tickets. You will pay more per day that way but that is the way it is. If you plan to go in the future then buy the 10 day ticket and you will have prepaid for some of your future trip. If you never ever go again, then you are out the extra money. I am not sure what is so hard about this concept?

Doing it your 2004 way you wanted the break for buying more days but then not have to keep your money tied up in the tickets. You want your cake and to eat it to? Sorry that is how I see it.

When I buy an AP I hope to come again in before the ticket expires, but if the future holds a different result then oh well. I still got that I paid for. I just did not take full advantage of it.

 

[dhb2006]

Let me understand your point. I buy an AP where I can enter the park 365 days out of 365 days and I don't then it is ok to let somebody else go when I can't since I paid for 365 days?

If you do not have any plan to go in the near future than only buy the 5 days of tickets. You will pay more per day that way but that is the way it is. If you plan to go in the future then buy the 10 day ticket and you will have prepaid for some of your future trip. If you never ever go again, then you are out the extra money. I am not sure what is so hard about this concept?

Doing it your 2004 way you wanted the break for buying more days but then not have to keep your money tied up in the tickets. You want your cake and to eat it to? Sorry that is how I see it.

When I buy an AP I hope to come again in before the ticket expires, but if the future holds a different result then oh well. I still got that I paid for. I just did not take full advantage of it.

When, in ANY of my RECENT posts, have I said it is OK to let someone else use your tix...I HAVEN'T!! (not since early in this thread)
In the beginning of this thread, I said asked if the tix could be re-sold...which I had done in the PAST...I was told "NO...they use biometrics now"...
there is NOT anything I don't understand about the concept of buying a 5 or 10 day ticket...someone had simply pointed out that if one person were to buy 10-day tix, use 5 days, then sell off the remaining 5 to someone else,
that Disney loses $133. or something...but, you can also look at it the other way and say that they make money off people
that DON'T use all their days. Simple as that...I was just stating another point of view.

Yeah, in 2004, I did have my cake and eat it to...what is your point...I already stated what I did then...it was great...I saved a lot of money, etc.
You can't do that any longer...so, I need to decide what tix I'll buy this time around...end of story!

 

[XOoOoVEEoOoOX]

well considerng that when you buy a 10 day pass you ar not actually paying the price of admissionx times 10 days, you are paying for each day at a DEEPLY discounted rate (oft times the extra days are almost like receiving free days). Disney is losing money no matter wich way you try to justify it...when you buy a 10 day pas you are really paying for an equivalent of about5 or 6 days at regular price so Disney does lose money...your 6th 7th 8th 9th and 10th days are DEEPLY discounted (hey thats why you got them in the first place right?) If you turned around and sold them to someone else you would be making the profit on that not Disney...that is why it is wrong to do.

If your reason for selling the extra tickets is that you cant predict the future or "you never know what can happen" then dont buy tickets for the future buy the tickets for the trip you are on!

I have used multi-day tickets several times and I dont know hwy it would be so hard for someone to remember how many days they have left

 

[mickeyfan2]

When, in ANY of my RECENT posts, have I said it is OK to let someone else use your tix...I HAVEN'T!! (not since early in this thread) In the beginning of this thread, I said asked if the tix could be re-sold...which I had done in the PAST...I was told "NO...they use biometrics now"...

First you did this in 2004 and that is what I was talking about. You won't now since Disney has made it harder. If they had not done the biometrics would you have done the same thing in 2006 that you did in 2004? That is what the point of the original post in this thread was that you were planning on doing this again. End of story. Other posters told you about the biometrics.

there is NOT anything I don't understand about the concept of buying a 5 or 10 day ticket...someone had simply pointed out that if one person were to buy 10-day tix, use 5 days, then sell off the remaining 5 to someone else,
that Disney loses $133. or something...but, you can also look at it the other way and say that they make money off people
that DON'T use all their days. Simple as that...I was just stating another point of view.

All I said was exactly and you started to attack me. Why?? Or should I just .