Transfer/Selling Partially Used Premium Tix???

[Spanky]

For the last 10 years I have always bought multi-day tickets and used them over several trips. I put alpha letters for the park days and numerical numbers for the plus items. As soon as you go through the park gate I mark an X over one of the letters, do the same for Pleasure Island or water parks for the plus numbers. Then I always know what is left on the ticket for a future trip. It only takes a minute to do.

 

[jim and meesie]

In response to "SafetyMOM", I don't live in the Orlando area and I find that there is much more to see and do at Universal. Better food, more unique shops and different rides. As for exciting rides, Disney is only starting to catch up, maybe I have just been to Disney too many times. As for your coding system to figure out what you have used or not, WOW, you must ore time and be far more organized than me, or the average person for that matter. As for checking passes, I have multiple teenagers and a husband who don't have the patience to each wait in line to have their passes checked so the job falls to me. When at Disney I look like a mom on vacation, they would be hard pressed to confuse me with a big time ticket wholesaler. So I have all these passes (that I have bought over the years) worth conceivably hundreds of dollars yet this corporation is justified in treating me like I'm a crook who is abusing their system, just because I was never organized enough to develop a coding system to translate my passes. I know these passes belong to my husband and children but It would be impossible to tell whose pass was whose. These passes have been acrued over years when the park hopping feature was only available on multi day passes. Different vacations different family members go and we don't always go to the same parks together.

As for entering the right sequence of numbers (as many as 20-25) from a gift card on-line to determine the remaining balance has never been a problem to get right. Disney just doesn't want me to know how much I have left on my passes so I will buy new ones.

 

[Allison]

In response to "SafetyMOM", I don't live in the Orlando area and I find that there is much more to see and do at Universal. Better food, more unique shops and different rides. As for exciting rides, Disney is only starting to catch up, maybe I have just been to Disney too many times. As for your coding system to figure out what you have used or not, WOW, you must ore time and be far more organized than me, or the average person for that matter. As for checking passes, I have multiple teenagers and a husband who don't have the patience to each wait in line to have their passes checked so the job falls to me. When at Disney I look like a mom on vacation, they would be hard pressed to confuse me with a big time ticket wholesaler. So I have all these passes (that I have bought over the years) worth conceivably hundreds of dollars yet this corporation is justified in treating me like I'm a crook who is abusing their system, just because I was never organized enough to develop a coding system to translate my passes. I know these passes belong to my husband and children but It would be impossible to tell whose pass was whose. These passes have been acrued over years when the park hopping feature was only available on multi day passes. Different vacations different family members go and we don't always go to the same parks together.

As for entering the right sequence of numbers (as many as 20-25) from a gift card on-line to determine the remaining balance has never been a problem to get right. Disney just doesn't want me to know how much I have left on my passes so I will buy new ones.

Exactly how are you being treated like a crook? I don't get it. Just because you can't tell the balance online you are being treated like a crook?

I'm totally not following your logic here.

 

[Allison]

I do respect your opinion...BUT, if you are trying to get me to feel bad for a corporate giant, it won't work.
They sold the ticket in the first place, which is good for X number of days. It shouldn't really matter who uses it.

It makes me think of used cars here in NY state...which I'm sure is common in many other states...
you pay sales tax on a new car...then everytime it is sold used, it is taxed again and again and again...
even though it was taxed in the first place...just so the state gets "their" money.

I DO respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it. Disney is still getting "their" revenue.
In fact, they are still getting someone coming to their park to spend MORE money on food and merchandise, etc.

Either way...I'll just need to keep the tix this time.

But, the point is they get to decide the rules. So, while I can see why people would think they should be able to do what they want with it, it's simply not the terms of sale that were agreed to when they purchased the ticket.

It's just like my gym membership, if I'm not going to use it for the month I don't get to give my membership to someone else. They have to buy their own membership and mine goes unused although it's paid for.

By the way, thank you for your civility. It is appreciated.

 

[dhb2006]

But, the point is they get to decide the rules. So, while I can see why people would think they should be able to do what they want with it, it's simply not the terms of sale that were agreed to when they purchased the ticket.

It's just like my gym membership, if I'm not going to use it for the month I don't get to give my membership to someone else. They have to buy their own membership and mine goes unused although it's paid for.

By the way, thank you for your civility. It is appreciated.

I agree...they DO decide the rules. I didn't realize that they couldn't be sold back in 2004. I saw everyone else
selling them on eBay...and what people were paying for them...so, I saved myself a lot of money on my trip that year.
Things have obviously changed and I'll have to think ahead to future trip to save leftover ticket use for.

Regarding the gym membership...ohhh, believe me, I know that one...I've bought a 1-year membership that I've used sparingly over the past 10 months...definately a BAD decision!! LOL!!

You're welcome (regarding my civility)...everyone has their own opinion.

 

[srfrgrl07]

Think about what you are saying here...if I go out and buy nine 5-day tix...Disney gets THEIR money for the nine 5-day tix.
If I then sell off the remainder of the tix...whether it be on big bad eBay or just to a friend at a discounted rate...
the 5-day tix still have value and use left in them for what I originally paid...period!!
If I keep them and use them 2 years later, then they are NOT making any more money off me on tix during that visit.
What exactly is your point?!?

If you buy a 5 day ticket because of the bulk savings (less per day cost with a multi day ticket) and you give or sell the remaining days to someone else, Disny lost the revenue that would have been generated by that person buying a ticket from them, sometimes at a higher rate if they purchased 1-2 days.

I think that people are misinterpreting the reason that the tickets are non transferrable and thinking that it is because Disney is out to make them spend more money. In many cases, it is to prtect the consumer. If someone has possession of your ticket becuase it was lost or stolen, they would be able to use it if the ticket were allowed to be transferred and the original purchaser would be out of luck.

I want to park hop, but we don't spend more than 2-days (per vacation) at the Disney parks...
I really don't like tying up lots of money in tix to keep them for a future trip that may never happen.

You don't have to tie up the funds...just buy the number of days you want each trip and if while on that trip you want to add any days, you can. Of course it is less per day when you buy more days, and if you buy more days now you get the next visit at this year's price. But I wouldn't do that if you don't think you'll go back.

 

[blueroses]

...Disney is NOT losing money by people doing this...which is a moot point, now that they use biometrics to tie you to the tix.

I disagree. A 10-day non-expiring pass (let's say non-hopping) costs $345 plus tax. A 5-day non-expiring pass costs $239. Splitting a 10-day between 2 different people instead of buying 2 passes costs Disney $133.

 

[srfrgrl07]

In response to "SafetyMOM", I don't live in the Orlando area and I find that there is much more to see and do at Universal. Better food, more unique shops and different rides. As for exciting rides, Disney is only starting to catch up, maybe I have just been to Disney too many times. As for your coding system to figure out what you have used or not, WOW, you must ore time and be far more organized than me, or the average person for that matter. As for checking passes, I have multiple teenagers and a husband who don't have the patience to each wait in line to have their passes checked so the job falls to me. When at Disney I look like a mom on vacation, they would be hard pressed to confuse me with a big time ticket wholesaler. So I have all these passes (that I have bought over the years) worth conceivably hundreds of dollars yet this corporation is justified in treating me like I'm a crook who is abusing their system, just because I was never organized enough to develop a coding system to translate my passes. I know these passes belong to my husband and children but It would be impossible to tell whose pass was whose. These passes have been acrued over years when the park hopping feature was only available on multi day passes. Different vacations different family members go and we don't always go to the same parks together.

As for entering the right sequence of numbers (as many as 20-25) from a gift card on-line to determine the remaining balance has never been a problem to get right. Disney just doesn't want me to know how much I have left on my passes so I will buy new ones.

Disney has not instituted this policy to make anyone feel like a crook, I'm sorry if you feel that way. If it's really important to you to know how many days are left on a ticket, I would follow the suggetion above about marking the tickets. I'm sure the ticket attendant would have a pen or marker or something that you could use while entering the park and it takes seconds to do. It's really not a difficult concept, and based on your frustration with not knowing, it seems to me that it would save you alot of stress in the future.

If Disney didn't want you to know how many days you have left, why would they allow you to scan it in person at the park? I think what you mean is Disney won't tell you in advance how many days you have left so you choose to buy new tickets instead of waiting until arrival to have them scanned.

 

[tiggergirlinMI]

Ok on 2 different trips to Disney World in the last year, once with my DS17 and once with me, both in the middle of the trip, we put our fingers in and it didn't work, didn't read, whatever. Two times the CM pushed a button and just said "come on through" and the other times the CMs claimed they were "resetting it" to read our fingers. I don't agree with selling unused tickets, I'm just saying the biometric system may work a majority of the time? But we have encountered times when it hasn't and how do you prove you are the original buyer of the ticket, last year we were annual pass holders so only one CM asked for an ID from me, but this last time in DEC we had magic your way tickets-7 day tickets, so how you prove you are the original buyer in that case? I've wondered that........can anyone enlighten me please?

 

[dhb2006]

I disagree. A 10-day non-expiring pass (let's say non-hopping) costs $345 plus tax. A 5-day non-expiring pass costs $239. Splitting a 10-day between 2 different people instead of buying 2 passes costs Disney $133.

They are also MAKING money on all the people that NEVER return to use the remaining time on their tix...which I'm sure happens quite often.

But, if they want to use the "new" biometric identity system, why can they not set up a website or something...
where you could enter the ticket id# and have it tell you what is still left on the ticket....it should really be NO different than any
type of gift card system, etc...don't you think?!!

 

[jim and meesie]

Exactly how are you being treated like a crook? I don't get it. Just because you can't tell the balance online you are being treated like a crook?

I'm totally not following your logic here.

If the reason they won't check my balances on multiple of my family's partially used passes (in person after waiting in line at guest services) is because of the ticket wholesalers and people who resell passes, they are assuming I am one of these dishonest people by not checking all of my passes for me (I don't have hundreds, more like 10, each with a couple of days potentially, but I have more than the 4 they willing to check). Why can't they have a self service scanner at the guest services desk if it is such an inconvenience for CMs to check multiple passes. I guess it is because they treat everyone as if they are going to abuse the system, no innocent until proven guilty.

 

[jim and meesie]

Disney has not instituted this policy to make anyone feel like a crook, I'm sorry if you feel that way. If it's really important to you to know how many days are left on a ticket, I would follow the suggetion above about marking the tickets. I'm sure the ticket attendant would have a pen or marker or something that you could use while entering the park and it takes seconds to do. It's really not a difficult concept, and based on your frustration with not knowing, it seems to me that it would save you alot of stress in the future.

If Disney didn't want you to know how many days you have left, why would they allow you to scan it in person at the park? I think what you mean is Disney won't tell you in advance how many days you have left so you choose to buy new tickets instead of waiting until arrival to have them scanned.

My guess is that you are a Disney CM of some sort. Why don't you suggest this to the corporate giant and see if they really want to let guests easily (without alot of confusion) document how much they have used a pass. Now that they use the "bio metric fingerprint system" we've eliminated the fraud excuse. It would be so easy to print the check boxes on the back of the pass. They are marketing geniuses, I imagine it was suggested and the response was "lets not make it too easy, think of all the extra tickets we will sell when people don't know what they have left and are trying to plan for a vacation".

By the way Disney never made it easy to check the balances. I was at the parks years ago the week they first introduced the magnetic card system. Even then with the system malfunctioning all over the place they made me tell them how many days were supposed to be on the pass before they would share any information.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I do respect your opinion...BUT, if you are trying to get me to feel bad for a corporate giant, it won't work.
They sold the ticket in the first place, which is good for X number of days. It shouldn't really matter who uses it.

Well, originally I was going to say Allison wasn't trying to make you feel guilty (actually, she wasn't - she was just stating the primary reason tickets can't be resold except by authorized-by-Disney resellers).
It does matter who uses it. By purchasing any park pass, you enter into a contract. Among the restrictions on the ticket/contract are its nontransferability and nonresellability (and yes, I know they're not words, but they say exactly what I mean)

 

[SnackyStacky]

My thoughts on this whole topic:

1.) Disney doesn't assume anyone is dishonest. I'm an independent contractor. I've been burned before - and each time I get burned, a new clause gets put into my contract to prevent that same burn from happening again. It doesn't mean that every person I do business with again is a crook, or out to swindle me - it means that I have to take proactive steps to prevent that from happening.

2.) Giant corporation or not - Disney is a business. My place is NOT to judge, but the "they're a huge corporation!" excuse does not in any way justify the fact that you're violating a contract you agreed to when you purchased those tickets.

3.) Quite frankly, ticket prices would go up whether people were breaking rules or not. So I don't care if someone wants to break the rules. Like I said - I don't judge anyone. I do, however, believe in karma. And it will come back and bite you in the butt.

And I too want to thank everyone for keeping this a civil discussion. :

 

[kaytieeldr]

I don't know WHAT the tix say now...I don't have any in hand.
If those are the rules NOW, then so be it...

Disney park passes have ALWAYS been non-transferable; it's because of people selling them on ebay, and all those stands selling them around the souvenir shops in Orlando, that Disney has had/chosen to adopt practices to prevent 'sharing' tickets.
Frankly, if one disagrees with Disney's rules and policies, don't go. There's no law stating anyone HAS to go to Disney World. On the other hand, there are laws against reselling park tickets without a license to do so.

When at Disney I look like a mom on vacation, they would be hard pressed to confuse me with a big time ticket wholesaler

Okay, I'm missing something - what does a 'big time ticket wholesaler' look like? Most likely like any other person.

My guess is that you are a Disney CM of some sort. Why don't you suggest this to the corporate giant and see if they really want to let guests easily (without alot of confusion) document how much they have used a pass. Now that they use the "bio metric fingerprint system" we've eliminated the fraud excuse. It would be so easy to print the check boxes on the back of the pass.

Well, for starters, then they'd have to print at least ten different passes, each with the appropriate number of 'check' boxes. And then you'd have the Guests who purchased a three day pass to start, then upgraded it to a seven day pass, then again to a ten-day pass - all before the original pass expires.

 

[TSR6]

By the way Disney never made it easy to check the balances. I was at the parks years ago the week they first introduced the magnetic card system. Even then with the system malfunctioning all over the place they made me tell them how many days were supposed to be on the pass before they would share any information.

They just did that to verify that you should know something about those tickets - it was their way of verifying ownership. They have a whole list of questions that they are "supposed" to ask you now. Mind you - they generally don't, as this can be time consuming.

If the reason they won't check my balances on multiple of my family's partially used passes (in person after waiting in line at guest services) is because of the ticket wholesalers and people who resell passes, they are assuming I am one of these dishonest people by not checking all of my passes for me (I don't have hundreds, more like 10, each with a couple of days potentially, but I have more than the 4 they willing to check). Why can't they have a self service scanner at the guest services desk if it is such an inconvenience for CMs to check multiple passes. I guess it is because they treat everyone as if they are going to abuse the system, no innocent until proven guilty.

They aren't assuming anything. The rule is only x amount of tickets per family member present at the ticket window. If the family comes up to the window as a group, and verify's the tickets information, it's not a problem at all for Disney to release usage and entitlements.

Did you know that this is also to protect YOU the consumer, along side with the biometric system. Should someone pick up your old passes - they won't be able to verify the information on your tickets, so no information about the tickets will be released. The person(s) that picked up the tix won't be able to go up to the window, have the CM at the window say it was used at EPCOT - then go up to the turnstyle and say "Well, it just worked at EPCOT yesterday."

As for the self-serve kiosk - doesn't that backtrack and just make it easier for ticket re-sellers to get information??

 

[dhb2006]

My thoughts on this whole topic:

2.) Giant corporation or not - Disney is a business. My place is NOT to judge, but the "they're a huge corporation!" excuse does not in any way justify the fact that you're violating a contract you agreed to when you purchased those tickets.

3.) Quite frankly, ticket prices would go up whether people were breaking rules or not. So I don't care if someone wants to break the rules. Like I said - I don't judge anyone. I do, however, believe in karma. And it will come back and bite you in the butt.

And I too want to thank everyone for keeping this a civil discussion. :

Regarding my "corporate giant" comment...it was not meant as any excuse to justify that I was violating their "contract"...it was meant like this...
I didn't really think about it being "wrong" as it seemed VERY common and acceptable on eBay...whom will usually pull auctions that should not be on there...
especially if Disney were to have brought it to eBay's attention...because of this, there was NO WAY I was going to feel guilty about getting
money back on days that I didn't use...there were hundreds of auctions for the same tix at the time...
I was supposed to feel bad for Disney...I don't think so.
Do they feel bad charging me $4 for that small Pepsi in the park??? Not likely!!

I too, believe in Karma...but, I really don't look at someone selling "non-tranferable" tickets as inviting bad Karma.
Treating another person like crap...unjustifiably...well, yeah, then watch out for Karma to bite you back.
If it does include selling my tix, then I better watch out, cuz I'm gonna get bit!!

BTW...speaking of Karma...there's a new episode of "My Name Is Earl" on tomorrow night.

 

[dhb2006]

Disney park passes have ALWAYS been non-transferable; it's because of people selling them on ebay, and all those stands selling them around the souvenir shops in Orlando, that Disney has had/chosen to adopt practices to prevent 'sharing' tickets.
Frankly, if one disagrees with Disney's rules and policies, don't go. There's no law stating anyone HAS to go to Disney World. On the other hand, there are laws against reselling park tickets without a license to do so.

I think since the beginning of this thread, everyone here KNOWS that the tix are "non-transferable"...which is the reason I started this thread...to find out.
I still plan to go to Disney. What it says on the tickets now, really don't matter. The bottom line is that EVERY ticket will now
be tied to each person biometrically...so, does it really matter what it SAYS on the ticket?
I just stated what I had done in 2004 and that it worked out great for me...whether it was by the rules or not. Now it is different and that's fine.
I just wanted to know how they handled tranfers, if even possible.

Those are Disney's rules...that's fine.

Plenty of people here complain about the food/merchandise prices in the park...yeah, they don't HAVE to go...
but, IMO I think they have a legitimate complaint...or they come up with ideas to avoid eating IN the park...that's all.

It's all good!!

 

[mbolton]

Call me a sceptic, prove me wrong, I don't believe the biometrics really works. The old hoppers are supposedly now tied to biometrics, right? So why when we went this past Tday, when the four of us entered three parks using old hoppers and switched who used which pass every time we entered a park (three different entrances), did we never get stopped? Anyone ever try this with their new passes?

 

[cleo]

As regards E-Bay, you are only purchasing the 'pass', not any 'days' that may or may not be on the pass. If it is sold as a 5-Day Premium pass, you are buying a ticket that says '5-Day Premium', not necessarily the 5 days that may or may not be on the pass. Makes the decision as to whether or not you want to risk it a bit easier, doesn't it?