Toxic friendships and people telling you who they really are….

Was friend somebody since college. We were roommates for a couple of yr in college. Super close even years later when we both had kids and lived in the same metro area. We'd meet up a lot, support each other, all of the good things you'd want in a friendship.

It was great...until it wasn't. When my kids were 5 and 7, Spouse & I opted to enroll our kids in a charter school. Friend took it personally, like I had betrayed her or something. Ironically, my kids never would have attended the same school as Friend's kids anyway because of where we lived. Friend also got super upset & offended when I opted to not enroll my kids in a 2nd yr of dance lessons (Friend's 2 daughters were super duper into dance, to the point where she spent about $400+/mo at the time on lessons). I switched my kids to do swimming instead. They liked it better.

Friend was mad. She started getting really into hanging out with other dance moms. Suddenly started doing her hair differently, dressing differently in an attempt to fit in with them. She started acting like them, too...snarky, rude, passive aggressive, putting people down. Not very nice.

For a long time, we'd get together at her house every Halloween to take our kids trick or treating together. That year that my kids were 5 & 7, she made plans to go out instead with a dance mom, but she didn't tell me ahead of time. She ditched me.

But due to our long-standing friendship, I excused it in my head and kept trying. Our monthly mom's night out dinners became less frequent. She stopped calling me back as often. And then she just stopped calling me back altogether. One time, she & I were out to dinner and a different friend of ours came up to our table and invited her to meet up later for drinks. Friend made plans to do that right in front of me and I was not invited.

Rude.

Friend also started talking trash to me directly, saying that my kids would "flunk out of that school by 5th grade and then you'll be back in regular public school again and I'll laugh at you and say I told you so." Guess what? My YDD is graduating from that charter school this academic year and has done really well. So Former Friend can go suck an egg.

So yeah, back when YDD was 5 was when the friendship died. 12 years ago because YDD is now 17. I mourned the friendship for a really long time. But some friendships only last for a season or 2 of your life. Not all friendships are meant to be forever. It was great while it lasted. ...until it wasn't great anymore. It was toxic. She was toxic.

2 yr ago right after her youngest kid graduated from high school, she filed for divorce and left the country. Basically, walked away from her entire family. Her eldest kid got married. Friend wasn't there for that. Her youngest kid started college...she totally missed that, too.

In my situation, I never told Former Friend why I disengaged and why I ghosted her (I unfriended her on Facebook & blocked her). There wasn't any point in explaining myself because through her behavior and what she'd said to me, it was obvious that she didn't like me anymore and didn't really want to remain friends. And she had become so snide, snarky, rude, and negative that, to be honest, I thought that she'd become a total "insert your favorite swear word here." She was NOT somebody who I wanted to waste my time with anymore.

When I decided that I was done, I finally realized that the only reason the friendship had continued for the last 2 yr that it did was because I was trying so hard. I was the one keeping it afloat.

So I stopped trying. And when I stopped trying, everything disintegrated and disappeared.

I'm glad now that the friendship ended. Its time had come to an end. It just took me awhile to realize that.

If you DO decide to explain yourself to your friend, you should not expect it to go well. If you do decide to proceed with that, only do it for yourself...not because you hope or expect your friend to turn it around and apologize and promise to make amends with you. It will not go like that.

If there are other people involved in this on the outskirts (you mentioned family friend, for example), you SHOULD expect your friend to talk smack about you to everybody else, twist your words, retell the tale in such a way where your friend appears to be the victim. You should expect some of those people to come back to you like flying monkeys and they will try to convince you to make nice with your friend in order to keep the peace.

...that's why my advice to you is to let the friendship quietly wither away and die on its own. There doesn't have to be a big finale send-off.
ok, I re-read your original post after I just posted this...and forgot that you'd said that you already told your friend how what she did/said made you feel.

At this point, I would not recommend to bring it up again with her. She's shown you how she is. Believe her. She is a toxic person. She will not ever be able to be what you need her to be.

Spend less time with her when possible.
Call her less.
When she calls you or texts you, be slower to respond than before.
If she corners you in person or on the phone and wants to engage you with her games, 'gray rock' her with your responses (look it up on Google & Youtube; it's very effective for people like her).
 
In economics, there's a tendency for people to hold on to something because so much time, effort, and money has already been spent -- it's called sunk cost. The sunk cost fallacy is what leads people to continue to invest time, effort, and money into it just because so much has already been invested.

It can also be applied to friendships. Don't continue to invest with someone who doesn't give you joy just because they were close in the past.
 
Friendships come and go for a lot of different reasons. People sometimes grow apart, move away or their interests/likes/dislikes change. "Toxic" seems to be a generically used term that can mean a lot of different things. If the OP uses that term (however they define it) in reference to one of their own friends, I would take that as an indication it is time to move on.

No one is required to continue to be friends with someone they no longer enjoy being around.
 

How did you guys deal with friendships that ended?
LONG LONG decades long story, two sister-in-laws (sisters). What started as friendships and doing so much together slowed over the years because of they and their families behaviors. I could write a book. We tried, for decades but we were only needed or included when they wanted something. The care of FIL/MIL ended up on DH and I, which was fine, but their lack of care for parents who loved them dearly was horrible. HORRIBLE. My kids want no part of them. Sisters were only concerned with assets. Over the last few years of their MIL/FIL lives I slowly stepped away from the sisters & families. They passed in 2014/2015. I haven't seen one since 2015, other just a few times. On FB I first blocked my posts from them and then fully dropped them. I only have for handful of friends & family. I didn't want them to know any of our business. Then I blocked them, all of them, their kids too so they couldn't find me. Removing them from our lives, our invitation list, our celebrations etc. All they get is a Christmas card. DH still talks often to one closest to us, and the other only on birthdays. But then she'll call if she wants something .... but he makes minimal effort to see the one close by.

There are also brothers, one lives out of state / his family does not engage and one lives an hour away and love his family dearly. We get together when we can. Neither do anything with the sister's families either. Also there are some very distant relatives that have been treated the same and put the block on them.

Do you feel better that things have ended with certain people?
I HAVE NEVER FELT SO GOOD ABOUT A VERY TOUGH DECISION THAN I HAVE THIS. The weight off the shoulders, the anxiety that came with every interaction, the "how do we get out of" gone ............ should have done sooner. Older I get less I care, surround yourself with good for you people. We are worthy of good people.

Today I saw an awesome quote. 4 quarters are worth so much more than 100 pennies. 😍

Better to tell them how you feel?
No reason to talk to anyone whose whole identity is toxic, they could care less what they inflicted, they are purposeful, it's all about them. Pretty sure SIL#1 has minimal contact with her in-law family as they have done the same to them. SIL#2, I'm actually friends with one of her SIL and she avoids them at all costs, and the other SIL is so sweet and kind but def puts up boundaries to them. So they are consistent on how they treat people, they'll never change. Nothing to be gained by talking to them.
 
I had a friend for over 15 years. We were inseparable but then she just started to ghost me. Even when she moved two hours away, we still kept up the friendship but I noticed that sometimes, she visited to our area but wasn't in touch. I would never do that to her. Then I called a few times but she didn't return the calls. Then didn't respond to texts. Even when I had to call her to say a friend of ours had died, she didn't call. Another friend told me that she never kept up with friendships and was surprised we had been friends for such a long time. I don't know why this happened and for a long time I was upset. I'm over it now but it really hurt.
 





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