Tired of the Games

dawgsgirl

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I am a confirmed lover of everything Disney. Over the past year or so I have become very weary of the discount games that Disney plays. I am an AP holder and Disney has been on a course of offering less and less in the way of resort discounts and offering other discounts first. The September AP rates are very high for a value month. And don't start flaming about not being guaranteed a discount. I do not get an AP for that reason. I have never recieved a PIN code. Whatever!! This latest PIN code with all the restrictions is a disturbing trend. We all play a guessing game with what and when. I am tired of the games. Disney has a right to offer no discounts and that is fine. We all know that the resorts are very over priced. Anyway, I guess that I am trying to say that the discount game with Disney resorts has finally got to me. It is just not worth the hassle any more.
 
Same for our family, except we made the decision last year. We're still visiting Orlando this year but we're not staying onsite and we're also visiting Universal. We'll spend far less at WDW than we have in the past.
 
Disney is not so hot at rewarding customer loyalty. I guess they know they have us hooked anyway.:laughing:
Seriously though, it really is freeing to plan vacations which include Disney but are not totally and completely Disney. Their unwillingness to provide discounts makes it a lot easier to justify doing that.
 
I am also tired of the game Disney plays with their discounts. We go every year to Disney and yet they never send me a discount pin number. I have tried all the tricks listed on these boards without luck. It is so frustrating.
 

I am also tired of the game Disney plays with their discounts. We go every year to Disney and yet they never send me a discount pin number. I have tried all the tricks listed on these boards without luck. It is so frustrating.

Tell me about it. I go several times a year and have never received a PIN code and now the AP discounts are getting less and less. For my upcoming Sept and Nov/Dec trips it looks like I'll be sticking with the bounceback deals I booked when I was there in May. The bounceback deal I already had easily beat the new AP discounts for Sept and probably will for the late Nov/Dec trip as well. I also have an AP for Universal and am considering just staying over there. I don't particularly care for the Swan/Dolphin, but as a RN I also qualify for their nurses discount.
 
I think we're all pretty disappointed with the latest AP discounts. I'm glad we booked well in advance with the GP discounts, they were better then what Disney is offering their loyal AP holders.

I have free dining for 1st part of my stay, then I did switch to AP + Dine for second part, but only because I wanted the dining plan, and it was $144 cheaper to go with AP and take off the 1 day park tix.

In the future I will seriously consider just booking the GP discount, and forget about the DDP. Can't count on AP discounts anymore.

May have to watch Swan/Dolphin rates more. I can get the education discount.
 
I'm not an AP holder, but current pin code discounts for December are pretty bad. I received two of them and I didn't take either one. There's a new one out that looks like QSDP free that I may convert to if it comes my way; otherwise, it's off site for me this year. The free dining code seems to be very different dates for those who have received one. Only one so far was reported for December, but it's early for this code; so, we shall see.
 
While I totally understand that by purchasing an AP you are NOT guaranteed a discount, it does hurt you in the pocketbook to know that Disney is offering GP discounts that are equal to that of the AP. Kind of makes you wonder why someone would bother to puchase an AP at this point. Unless you live in close proximity and really visit the parks often. As for the other perks an AP is supposed to offer the purchaser...umm, not so much anymore.
I think for most..again, not all, but a good many people purchase their AP for room discounts when applicable. If Disney is gonna offer the same discount with General Public codes, it will cause those who automatically renew to think twice. I know I was waiting to renew based on what the AP discounts for Sept. were. I seriously don't feel I will bother at this point. There is a whopping $40.00 difference between the GP and AP rates at the resort we're staying in. Hardly worth the price of a $500. AP.
In any case, I agree with the OP, that the game playing with Discounts has gotten out of hand. You really have to KNOW what you're doing. That being said, in 20 years of visiting Disney World, I've never paid full rack rate. Much as I too, love all things Disney, I never will. The resorts are NOT worth the rack rates.
 
We live in NJ but have been AP holders for 5+ years. My AP expires 9/28 and I arrive 9/28 for a long weekend for F&W so I will apply a 2 day base I purchased last year for FD to the AP renewal. We have another longer trip 12/3 to 12/13/11. DH's AP expires 12/9/11 so I will let it expire and use two hopper tickets that I have purchase from UT for the days not covered by his AP. Its a game, and I guess they want us to play.
We have GP discounts at BCV for Sept, and bounce back at Pop and renting points at OKW for Dec. None of my future 2011 stays are at the AP rate.
In 2012 we have two DCL cruises booked, so less time is needed in the parks so we will make use of my AP and DH's hoppers.
Michele
 
Don't forget that by buying an AP, you are getting into the parks at a discounted rate or even free if you go enough during the year. That's a huge savings! I am an AP holder and I do understand the frustration, but seriously, I bought the AP so I didn't have to buy the tickets again. I've already made the savings just by going more than once. If I get a discount on top of that, it's just icing on the cake. But for those of you who are finding it hard to accept, I totally get it. I'll still be hoping for something more to come our way...:goodvibes
 
I'm not an AP either. For the last 2 years we have stayed in a 1 bedroom villa - 40% off in Dec. I just received a pin for November (which is when we are going this year). The pin offer specifically stated that we are looking to visit in November,.... so here is an offer for us to take advantage of..... However, the pin is for 16% off a value resort only - 4 nights. Nothing we will be using. I think it is just disappointing to go from such great discounts to this type of offer. Next year we will probably look to stay in a villa off property. I am sure it won't be the same but I can't justify the price difference to stay on property.
 
We've ben AP holders for the last several years and have never received a PIN code...ever. :sad1: We go every September and I was sad to see that there are no AP discounts this year. I'd gladly pay for the dining plan and get a discount on a room. We usually stay deluxe with our discount and then pay for dining. :sad2:
 
Tell me about it. I go several times a year and have never received a PIN code and now the AP discounts are getting less and less. For my upcoming Sept and Nov/Dec trips it looks like I'll be sticking with the bounceback deals I booked when I was there in May. The bounceback deal I already had easily beat the new AP discounts for Sept and probably will for the late Nov/Dec trip as well. I also have an AP for Universal and am considering just staying over there. I don't particularly care for the Swan/Dolphin, but as a RN I also qualify for their nurses discount.

I wish Disney had offered a bounce back when we went in Feb! It wasn't even an option......:rolleyes1 Add in the not-so-hot AP rates..I've felt for years that Disney overpriced, knowing they could offer a "discount" and, human psychology being what it, people would be GRATEFUL to open their wallets wide b/c they were getting a *fabulous deal*....now they are even cutting back on this game. I've already told DH that this will likely be our last trip....at least for a good long while. God bless those who are willing to pay the going rate, accept the decline in choices and service, etc. I think that my vacation should not require this much work and angst to make it fit the budget [or feel like I got good value for my money], to plan more than 6 months ahead to be able to do what we want, etc. Love Disney, but I'm done for a while.
 
I am also an AP holder and I have never recieved a pin code. Now I realize they are random and etc, unless WDW thinks that AP holders shouldn't be sent them because we have the pass and etc, since it comes with AP rates when available and others discounts around WDW stores/restaurants. Well I am also registered on the WDW website and always send away for the Disney Parks Planning DVD's which others say are ways to get pin codes. However in my case those things haven't got me any pin codes, although I sign up on their site or get the DVD because I want to and not as a way to get a pin code.
 
May have to watch Swan/Dolphin rates more. I can get the education discount.[/QUOTE]



Sue- please share the education discount info!! I haven't heard of it before!

I understand Disney wants to try to sell out as many full price vacations as they can, that makes it easier to offer discounts to US! I'm just glad a seemingly big majority of people don't know discounts even exist!! Most of my co-workers tell me they just book through a travel agent and never compare dates/prices/special offers. I decided to quit telling them and save it all for myself!! Whaaa-haaa-haaa!! (evil laugh) :maleficen
 
Don't forget that by buying an AP, you are getting into the parks at a discounted rate or even free if you go enough during the year. That's a huge savings! I am an AP holder and I do understand the frustration, but seriously, I bought the AP so I didn't have to buy the tickets again. I've already made the savings just by going more than once. If I get a discount on top of that, it's just icing on the cake. But for those of you who are finding it hard to accept, I totally get it. I'll still be hoping for something more to come our way...:goodvibes

I agree with your philosophy, and I too only have an AP for the admission value. I think the most angry people are those who buy the AP's solely for the discount, which they shouldn't do in the first place. But I think a couple of other things are at work here.

Over the years, we have gone from a situation where the AP discount was one of just a handful of discounts offered pretty much all at the same time (which made the AP holders feel their loyalty was appreciated) to a situation where the AP discounts are offered last and are generally substandard compared to the many, many other discounts offered (which leaves the AP holders feeling like they aren't appreciated for their loyalty at all). Will this cause some people to not buy an AP? Maybe. Maybe that's what Disney prefers because they want us to have to buy the packages with the tickets and dining plan.

I don't see a big difference in the timing of the AP discount releases, even though there are often complaints about the release dates. Having lived in Florida for many, many years, the Resident and AP discounts generally were announced 3-4 months out, so you had to have some flexibility - the ability to plan more last minute than the average traveler. I can remember calling daily through late June and early July to find out if the AP discounts for September had come out yet. Yes, this can be difficult, and so many people started booking at rack rate and then having Disney apply the discount to their reservation later, so they could go ahead and book airfare, etc.

Disney has caught on to this, so now, if a resort is at a certain occupancy level, the discounts are reduced or non-existent. I think one reason this latest round of AP discounts doesn't list a specific percentage is that they can fine tune it to try to direct people to the resorts they want to fill. If people aren't responding to 25% off at a specific resort, they can quietly increase the discount to 30% and see if people bite. So we may see posts from people later saying they saved more or less than the people posting today - based on whether the occupancy changes. This is just a continuation of what they started a year or so ago, when they started listing a few resorts at different percentage levels than their peers, but less transparent.

It's disappointing to not get the discounts you hoped for. I know my bounceback reservations are much better than the AP discounts. I've learned that if I see a rate I can afford at a resort I like, to book it right then, whether it's a GP, or Florida Resident, or AAA, or AP, or bounceback. IF somewhere along the line I can save a few dollars with a different discount code, that's great. But so long as I book a resort I like at a price I can afford, then I'm happy. I will not book at rack rate, period. I've never received a PIN, and doubt I ever will (I think I live too close, but that's just a theory). Of course, working on my 2012 budget, I'm not penciling in as many weeks at WDW, because I'm anticipating the discounts will continue to diminish. There are other places I can go for less money and have a nice vacation - Florida is full of them!

I hope no one has to cancel their vacation to WDW because of room rates, but I totally understand if they do. I understand if they go off property, or to another resort. Disney vacations aren't cheap (no matter what they say in the commercials) and sometimes you have to make sacrifices to make it work. My sacrifice will be fewer trips.
 
An AP for someone who frequents the parks through out the year is a good thing. If I lived closer and visited more frequently than we do, I wouldn't hestitate.
It does give those of us who try to fit perhaps two visits in a years time, based on our expiration dates,... or those of us who purchase for possible discounts on the rooms, serious pause to reconsider it's purchase. Yes, I know you shouldn't purchase simply for the room discounts. Only why the heck else would someone who lives 1200 miles a way purchase one. Truth is those discounts have been our only incentive to purchase an AP. Why would we bother if the GP discounts are pretty much the same. It does appear that now with just a little research one can obtain a discount without making the pretty big financial investment of an AP. Does it still have it's perks..sure..but unless you live in close enough proximity to make it worth it for park admission and shopping, it's just not as great an investment as it once was.
Certainly, this is Disney's prerogative. It is.. what it is.
 
It is good to know that I am not the only person that feels this way. I never do packages, just need a good room only discount. I have not been feeling the pixie dust as an AP holder the past few years. Looks like Disney does not want us around as we usually do not spend as much money. First time visitors and infrequent vistors will usually spend more money on their trips. All this makes me sad. :sad1:
 
We bought Aps just to save money on tickets because we are making 3 trips this year. We like the dxdp. I wish disney would allow us to use any discount and not buy tickets to get the dining plan. I used a BB for our October trip and had to buy one day tickets to purchase the dining plan. I just don't get that. Why can't Ap holder use any discount, buy the dinng plan and not purchase tickets. If there going to give ap holders crappy discounts they should at least let us use other discounts.
 
This is why we don't bother with APs. I do believe that we can always find a better discount. It would be nice to be able to buy DDP without buying a package, since we like to stay at the beach for 5 days in between two 5-day WDW stays, but still not worth it. However, we have the flexibility to make our vacations for any month of the year and go when we can get the very best discount (This year we used Kids Free, 35% off PIN and FD PIN over the course of 6 nights for multiple value rooms.) Also PINs have been no stranger to us. Those things do make a big difference.
 














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