THE LIBERAL THREAD #3- No Debate Please

[mirmartinez]

Good afternoon Liberals,

The more I think about the whole job thing the more I know the change is not for me. I am calling first thing tomorrow to inform them.
The whole point of the job was to fill this huge whole in my resume, so I figure I can find a way to do that locally.

chrisw127-My husband suffered briefly from DIS-nesia yesterday--he forgot how awful taking two toddlers to Disney is and he suggested we go again in December. Of course, this morning he denied ever having the conversation, but I'm thinking that maybe there's a slight chance . . . .

These are the type of trips I like to read about.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Anyone here going down to disney in June or August?

We're heading down to celebrate my son's graduation. I'm thinking about going down again in August after I drop him off at school.

I'll need time to get use to not having him around.

 

[IDoDis]

Anyone here going down to disney in June or August?

We're heading down to celebrate my son's graduation. I'm thinking about going down again in August after I drop him off at school.

I'll need time to get use to not having him around.

We are still batting around where we want to go this summer. DH and I are all for going to WDW again, but the kids are saying they want to do a California trip this summer instead. They want to drive there and then hit DL, the beach, and other amusement parks. We took a San Diego trip a few years ago and did something similar.

My quandary is that it's cheaper to spend a week in Orlando than it is to do 3 days at Disneyland. Crazy, I know! We've also been kicking around going someplace else, like New York and D.C. That might be out of our budgets though.

 

[La2kw]

We are still batting around where we want to go this summer. DH and I are all for going to WDW again, but the kids are saying they want to do a California trip this summer instead. They want to drive there and then hit DL, the beach, and other amusement parks. We took a San Diego trip a few years ago and did something similar.

My quandary is that it's cheaper to spend a week in Orlando than it is to do 3 days at Disneyland. Crazy, I know! We've also been kicking around going someplace else, like New York and D.C. That might be out of our budgets though.

3 days at Disneyland is cheaper than a week in Orlando? How is that possible? I am at Disneyland all the time and it's far cheaper than Orlando.

 

[chris1gill]

There goes that great propaganda machine again, when will it ever stop?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/opinion/04rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion


WE like our failed presidents to be Shakespearean, or at least large enough to inspire Oscar-worthy performances from magnificent tragedians like Frank Langella. So here, too, George W. Bush has let us down. Even the banality of evil is too grandiose a concept for 43. He is not a memorable villain so much as a sometimes affable second banana whom Josh Brolin and Will Ferrell can nail without breaking a sweat. He’s the reckless Yalie Tom Buchanan, not Gatsby. He is smaller than life.

The last NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll on Bush’s presidency found that 79 percent of Americans will not miss him after he leaves the White House. He is being forgotten already, even if he’s not yet gone. You start to pity him until you remember how vast the wreckage is. It stretches from the Middle East to Wall Street to Main Street and even into the heavens, which have been a safe haven for toxins under his passive stewardship. The discrepancy between the grandeur of the failure and the stature of the man is a puzzlement. We are still trying to compute it.

The one indisputable talent of his White House was its ability to create and sell propaganda both to the public and the press. Now that bag of tricks is empty as well. Bush’s first and last photo-ops in Iraq could serve as bookends to his entire tenure. On Thanksgiving weekend 2003, even as the Iraqi insurgency was spiraling, his secret trip to the war zone was a P.R. slam-dunk. The photo of the beaming commander in chief bearing a supersized decorative turkey for the troops was designed to make every front page and newscast in the country, and it did. Five years later, in what was intended as a farewell victory lap to show off Iraq’s improved post-surge security, Bush was reduced to ducking shoes.

Condi Rice blamed the press for the image that sullied Bush’s Iraq swan song: “That someone chose to throw a shoe at the president is what gets reported over and over.” We are back where we came in. This was the same line Donald Rumsfeld used to deny the significance of the looting in Baghdad during his famous “Stuff happens!” press conference of April 2003. “Images you are seeing on television you are seeing over, and over, and over,” he said then, referring to the much-recycled video of a man stealing a vase from the Baghdad museum. “Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?” he asked, playing for laughs.

The joke was on us. Iraq burned, New Orleans flooded, and Bush remained oblivious to each and every pratfall on his watch. Americans essentially stopped listening to him after Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005, but he still doesn’t grasp the finality of their defection. Lately he’s promised not to steal the spotlight from Barack Obama once he’s in retirement — as if he could do so by any act short of running naked through downtown Dallas. The latest CNN poll finds that only one-third of his fellow citizens want him to play a post-presidency role in public life.

 

[chris1gill]

Kudo's to Franken for winning the Senate recount (being reported on Yahoo & MSNBC)




Another Democrat in the Senate when all the legal wrangling is finished.... Good for Minnesota!


Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the outgoing chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, declared Sunday that Al Franken has won the Minnesota Senate recount against Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.).

“With the Minnesota recount complete, it is now clear that Al Franken won the election. The Canvassing Board will meet tomorrow to wrap up its work and certify him the winner, and while there are still possible legal issues that will run their course, there is no longer any doubt who will be the next Senator from Minnesota,” Schumer said in a statement.

 

[nosoupforyou]

I haven't been around for a while, but thought I'd stop in to say hello. My life hasn't left much time for surfin' on The Dis. I read back some pages and see you've been counting down the days. I can't wait, either! I'm not expecting instantaneous change. It will take years to undo the mess the conservatives have put our country in. I'm glad it's going to be Obama handling the mess vs McCain and grandma what's-her-name.

 

[mirmartinez]

There goes that great propaganda machine again, when will it ever stop?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/opinion/04rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion


WE like our failed presidents to be Shakespearean, or at least large enough to inspire Oscar-worthy performances from magnificent tragedians like Frank Langella. So here, too, George W. Bush has let us down. Even the banality of evil is too grandiose a concept for 43. He is not a memorable villain so much as a sometimes affable second banana whom Josh Brolin and Will Ferrell can nail without breaking a sweat. He’s the reckless Yalie Tom Buchanan, not Gatsby. He is smaller than life.

The last NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll on Bush’s presidency found that 79 percent of Americans will not miss him after he leaves the White House. He is being forgotten already, even if he’s not yet gone. You start to pity him until you remember how vast the wreckage is. It stretches from the Middle East to Wall Street to Main Street and even into the heavens, which have been a safe haven for toxins under his passive stewardship. The discrepancy between the grandeur of the failure and the stature of the man is a puzzlement. We are still trying to compute it.

The one indisputable talent of his White House was its ability to create and sell propaganda both to the public and the press. Now that bag of tricks is empty as well. Bush’s first and last photo-ops in Iraq could serve as bookends to his entire tenure. On Thanksgiving weekend 2003, even as the Iraqi insurgency was spiraling, his secret trip to the war zone was a P.R. slam-dunk. The photo of the beaming commander in chief bearing a supersized decorative turkey for the troops was designed to make every front page and newscast in the country, and it did. Five years later, in what was intended as a farewell victory lap to show off Iraq’s improved post-surge security, Bush was reduced to ducking shoes.

Condi Rice blamed the press for the image that sullied Bush’s Iraq swan song: “That someone chose to throw a shoe at the president is what gets reported over and over.” We are back where we came in. This was the same line Donald Rumsfeld used to deny the significance of the looting in Baghdad during his famous “Stuff happens!” press conference of April 2003. “Images you are seeing on television you are seeing over, and over, and over,” he said then, referring to the much-recycled video of a man stealing a vase from the Baghdad museum. “Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?” he asked, playing for laughs.

The joke was on us. Iraq burned, New Orleans flooded, and Bush remained oblivious to each and every pratfall on his watch. Americans essentially stopped listening to him after Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005, but he still doesn’t grasp the finality of their defection. Lately he’s promised not to steal the spotlight from Barack Obama once he’s in retirement — as if he could do so by any act short of running naked through downtown Dallas. The latest CNN poll finds that only one-third of his fellow citizens want him to play a post-presidency role in public life.

I want his post-presidency role to be like a well controlled case of herpes (HSV-type 1)
Sure we know he will still be here, but as long as he does not rear his ugly head, we can all breathe a little easier and be a lot less disgusted

 

[crazyforgoofy]

I want his post-presidency role to be like a well controlled case of herpes.
Sure we know he will still be here, but as long as he does not rear his ugly head, we can all breathe a little easier and be a lot less disgusted

 

[chrisw127]

I want his post-presidency role to be like a well controlled case of herpes.
Sure we know he will still be here, but as long as he does not rear his ugly head, we can all breathe a little easier and be a lot less disgusted

You're terrible. And I mean that in the nicest way.

 

[chrisw127]

These are the type of trips I like to read about.

Bad ones? I'll send you the link to my blog if you want to read about it. It ain't pretty.

 

[mirmartinez]

Bad ones? I'll send you the link to my blog if you want to read about it. It ain't pretty.

I love chaos (in other people's lives )

 

[IDoDis]

3 days at Disneyland is cheaper than a week in Orlando? How is that possible? I am at Disneyland all the time and it's far cheaper than Orlando.

Even though we live closer to DL, airfare is more expensive than flying to Orlando, and so is staying on-site. Staying on-site at both places does not compare apples-to-apples because DL hotels are much more costly than the value resort options at DW. Staying off-site at DW we can get a 3 bedroom 2 bath condo five min. from the gates for $85 per night. Can't do even close to that at DL. DW also has the free days special going on. Decisions, decisions....

 

[LakeAriel]

There goes that great propaganda machine again, when will it ever stop?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/opinion/04rich.html?_r=2&ref=opinion


WE like our failed presidents to be Shakespearean, or at least large enough to inspire Oscar-worthy performances from magnificent tragedians like Frank Langella. So here, too, George W. Bush has let us down. Even the banality of evil is too grandiose a concept for 43. He is not a memorable villain so much as a sometimes affable second banana whom Josh Brolin and Will Ferrell can nail without breaking a sweat. He’s the reckless Yalie Tom Buchanan, not Gatsby. He is smaller than life.

The last NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll on Bush’s presidency found that 79 percent of Americans will not miss him after he leaves the White House. He is being forgotten already, even if he’s not yet gone. You start to pity him until you remember how vast the wreckage is. It stretches from the Middle East to Wall Street to Main Street and even into the heavens, which have been a safe haven for toxins under his passive stewardship. The discrepancy between the grandeur of the failure and the stature of the man is a puzzlement. We are still trying to compute it.

The one indisputable talent of his White House was its ability to create and sell propaganda both to the public and the press. Now that bag of tricks is empty as well. Bush’s first and last photo-ops in Iraq could serve as bookends to his entire tenure. On Thanksgiving weekend 2003, even as the Iraqi insurgency was spiraling, his secret trip to the war zone was a P.R. slam-dunk. The photo of the beaming commander in chief bearing a supersized decorative turkey for the troops was designed to make every front page and newscast in the country, and it did. Five years later, in what was intended as a farewell victory lap to show off Iraq’s improved post-surge security, Bush was reduced to ducking shoes.

Condi Rice blamed the press for the image that sullied Bush’s Iraq swan song: “That someone chose to throw a shoe at the president is what gets reported over and over.” We are back where we came in. This was the same line Donald Rumsfeld used to deny the significance of the looting in Baghdad during his famous “Stuff happens!” press conference of April 2003. “Images you are seeing on television you are seeing over, and over, and over,” he said then, referring to the much-recycled video of a man stealing a vase from the Baghdad museum. “Is it possible that there were that many vases in the whole country?” he asked, playing for laughs.

The joke was on us. Iraq burned, New Orleans flooded, and Bush remained oblivious to each and every pratfall on his watch. Americans essentially stopped listening to him after Hurricane Katrina hit in 2005, but he still doesn’t grasp the finality of their defection. Lately he’s promised not to steal the spotlight from Barack Obama once he’s in retirement — as if he could do so by any act short of running naked through downtown Dallas. The latest CNN poll finds that only one-third of his fellow citizens want him to play a post-presidency role in public life.

Love this article!

Kudo's to Franken for winning the Senate recount (being reported on Yahoo & MSNBC)




Another Democrat in the Senate when all the legal wrangling is finished.... Good for Minnesota!


Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), the outgoing chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, declared Sunday that Al Franken has won the Minnesota Senate recount against Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.).

“With the Minnesota recount complete, it is now clear that Al Franken won the election. The Canvassing Board will meet tomorrow to wrap up its work and certify him the winner, and while there are still possible legal issues that will run their course, there is no longer any doubt who will be the next Senator from Minnesota,” Schumer said in a statement.

Very good news!

I want his post-presidency role to be like a well controlled case of _____.
Sure we know he will still be here, but as long as he does not rear his ugly head, we can all breathe a little easier and be a lot less disgusted

 

[disneyjunkie]

I want his post-presidency role to be like a well controlled case of _________.
Sure we know he will still be here, but as long as he does not rear his ugly head, we can all breathe a little easier and be a lot less disgusted

Let's be careful about what we post. I'd hate to see this thread get locked.

 

[La2kw]

Even though we live closer to DL, airfare is more expensive than flying to Orlando, and so is staying on-site. Staying on-site at both places does not compare apples-to-apples because DL hotels are much more costly than the value resort options at DW. Staying off-site at DW we can get a 3 bedroom 2 bath condo five min. from the gates for $85 per night. Can't do even close to that at DL. DW also has the free days special going on. Decisions, decisions....

We're the opposite. We always stay onsite at WDW and offsite at Disneyland. There's no need to stay on site at Disneyland because there are tons of hotels surrounding the park and within walking distance. I usually get a 3 1/2 star deluxe hotel on priceline for around $41. We stayed offsite at WDW once and vowed never to again. We have DVC points for our WDW trips.

I also find that airfare to Orlando is cheaper than flying from L.A. to Hawaii, New York, Boston, etc.

 

[mirmartinez]

Good evening Libs and goodnight as well
Two of my children return to school tomorrow
Winter break goes to fast

 

[IDoDis]

Interesting article and interview on GMA. Notice the bolded portion. Isn't this what we've been sayin' all along?

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Weekend/story?id=6573818

Spending a Year Living Like Jesus
Former Pastor Eats, Works, Lives, Even Votes as He Believes Jesus Would


It's one thing to follow the teachings of Jesus, but it's another thing to try to eat like him, talk like him, look like him, even vote like him.
Former pastor spent a year trying to live as Jesus did.

After reading the book "A Year of Living Biblically," by A.J. Jacobs, former pastor Ed Dobson decided to devote a year trying to live as Jesus did, based on what is written about him in the Bible and other historical documents.

he most difficult part of the challenge, Dobson said, was obeying Jesus' teachings, particularly the idea of blessing the people who persecute you.

"My youngest son did two tours in Iraq, and on the last tour, a friend of his was killed in action and my wife and I went for the visitation and I was overwhelmed with grief and also with anger for the people who had made the roadside bomb, planted it and detonated it," he said. "And then I finally realized I had to pray for them and bless them, which is very, very hard to do."

Dobson even voted in the presidential race as he thought Jesus would. Dobson pulled the lever for Barack Obama, saying it was the first time he ever voted for a Democrat.

"I decided since I had read through the gospels at that point over 30 times, I wanted to know who best represented the fundamental teachings of Jesus, and I felt that he more than any other candidate represented the teachings of Jesus, so I voted for him," Dobson said.

Dobson's message to others heading into the new year is to start reading the Bible, which he acknowledged can be demanding.

"I would encourage people, whether you've ever read the Bible or not, begin reading the Bible, and just listen to what God has to say."

"I read that book a little over a year ago, and I thought, well, if a secular Jew could do this, certainly a follower of Jesus could," Dobson said today on "Good Morning America Weekend."

Dobson, the vice president of spiritual formation at Cornerstone University in Grand Rapids, Mich., said he did not shave, ate kosher, observed the Sabbath and read through the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John every week.

He even had a couple of beers along the way. "I would often go down to the bar, sit up at the counter, drink a beer and talk about God, which Jesus was accused of being a glutton and a drunkard," he said.

 

[portocall]

Dobson voted for Obama????? No way! Inaguration day is still too far away in MHO, I am just sad that the 20th falls on a Tuesday, gotta get hubby to clear off the DVR

 

[IDoDis]

Dobson voted for Obama????? No way! Inaguration day is still too far away in MHO, I am just sad that the 20th falls on a Tuesday, gotta get hubby to clear off the DVR

Oh no, not James Dobson. Same last name, but different guy.