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It's 700K, & she could (possibly) make them up in FL, MI & Penn.

They'll be fighting for every popular vote.


Just watched Obermeyer.....Dude sure gets emotional. Is he auditioning for Masterpiece Theatre?

Keith Olbermann made quite a few salient points. Here's the complete transcript of his remarks: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23601041/

I think he's not the only one who realizes the Clinton campaign rhetoric is over the top and offensive-Hillary was apologizing tonight.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jDDT3Q7CS6Gd9WvC4P6qeGsMIHpwD8VC90B00
 
It's 700K, & she could (possibly) make them up in FL, MI & Penn.

They'll be fighting for every popular vote.


Just watched Obermeyer.....Dude sure gets emotional. Is he auditioning for Masterpiece Theatre?

It's actually more than the 700K reported on RealClearPolitics. Doing further investigation, there are some caucus states whose votes aren't included: WA, IA, (forget the others). There was an article I read on DailyKos where they "estimated" the vote totals based on total attendees times % vote for each candidate, and his lead stands around 930-950K.
 
Keith Olbermann made quite a few salient points. Here's the complete transcript of his remarks: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23601041/

I think he's not the only one who realizes the Clinton campaign rhetoric is over the top and offensive-Hillary was apologizing tonight.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jDDT3Q7CS6Gd9WvC4P6qeGsMIHpwD8VC90B00

Wow, the polling must really be in the toilet if Clinton apologized. What is she going to do now that the "experience" angle made her a laughingstock and the "kitchen sink" cost her support".

Geez, what's left? The high road? Gooood luck. :lmao:
 
Wow, the polling must really be in the toilet if Clinton apologized. What is she going to do now that the "experience" angle made her a laughingstock and the "kitchen sink" cost her support".

Geez, what's left? The high road? Gooood luck. :lmao:

Mark your calendar...it was a red letter day! HR doesn't apologize often. She may have used up all of her "I'm sorry's" for 2008 tonight. :rotfl2:
 

This says it all.

Insults taking hold of Democratic race

By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer Thu Mar 13, 3:47 AM ET

WASHINGTON - If the presidential campaign were kindergarten, rude people could be sent for a time-out or made to write "hope and change" on the blackboard until they are nice.


In kindergarten, you're not allowed to call anyone a monster or make fun of someone's middle name.

But this is politics, in a land where freedom of speech is carved into the rock of the republic, and these are grown-ups with thick skins stretched over awesome amounts of self-esteem.

It's a land that has known and survived the scorched earth politics of the late Republican Lee Atwater, the shark grin of Democratic strategist James Carville, the "rhymes with witch" and "Ozone man" wisecracks of recent years, and the ghosts of distant ages who knew what nasty campaigning was really about.

It's America. You got a problem with that?

A cycle of insult and puffy indignation has taken hold in the contest between Democratic Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, with supporters of Republican Sen. John McCain gleefully pitching in.

It's been a time to denounce, dissociate, distance and regret, to nurse tender sensitivities, and to see the occasional offender cut from a campaign. Geraldine Ferraro, who resigned a Clinton post Wednesday, was the latest to go.

Obama is generally sanguine about fur flying around him and claws coming at him. But he pays people to get angry on his behalf.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod, for one, was outraged when Ferraro declared that Obama has only come this far because he's black. Now Ferraro is outraged at Axelrod's outrage.

She stepped down as an unpaid Clinton fundraiser after a second day of sniping between the two camps over her remarks.

Samantha Power is a feisty Pulitzer Prize-winning author who calls herself "genocide chick" because of her area of study and passion. The unpaid Obama foreign policy adviser told a Scottish newspaper she thought Clinton was a monster.

She was gone before the Clinton campaign's indignation machine could get fully into motion, although it was not to be stopped. Clinton's aides quickly turned the insult into a money-raising opportunity, campaign cash salving their wounds.

The sensitive tripwire of race has been set off repeatedly, with religion and ethnicity not far behind.

Obama was moved this week to defend a stark ad from Clinton, the one about the 3 a.m. crisis phone call. He assured everyone he did not consider it racist.

The ad merely implied he was incompetent.

Clinton had the temerity to pronounce with insufficient zeal that her rival is Christian, as if a firmer word from her would have stilled the false rumors that he's Islamic.

Clinton has been a Republican fundraising magnet for years and taken everything the GOP could throw at her. She repackages attacks against her and puts them to her use.

But Wednesday night, she struck a different tone with several unusual mea culpas.

She fully disowned Ferraro's remarks, expressed regret they were spoken and apologized to those who were offended when her husband seemed to belittle Obama by comparing his achievements to those of Jesse Jackson.

McCain chuckled when a South Carolina voter called Clinton a bad name at a public event in the fall, recovering a few minutes later to speak of his respect for the New York senator. Since then, he's had to bat down several other coarse comments from supporters.

McCain apologized after a conservative radio host warming up a campaign crowd repeatedly invoked Obama's middle name, Hussein, and called him "the great prophet from Chicago" who wants to sing Kumbaya with "world leaders who want to kill us.'

The talk show host was outraged at McCain's apology.

Now McCain has rebuked Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa for saying Obama is viewed by terrorists as their savior. King couldn't resist using Obama's middle name, too. McCain said through a spokesman that King degraded civil discourse.

As for insulting McCain himself, opponents might as well forget it. By now, he's heard it all and said it all.

This includes the innuendo spread in 2000 suggesting his adopted daughter from Bangladesh was his illegitimate child — an echo of the 1884 whisper campaign against Grover Cleveland.

A man who calls himself "older than dirt" cannot be easily put out when someone else raises questions about his age. A snippy display with a reporter revealed a temper he's known to have. He rode out reports that he had inappropriate links with a lobbyist.

As far as is known, his aides are not outraged at anything at this time.

McCain survived torture in Vietnam. In this campaign, sticks and stones are not likely to break his bones.
 
Yep, I'll be pleased when this is all behind us and the hyper-indignation from both HC and BO supporters simmers down to something more closely resembling reasonableness.

Me too. Its got me questioning "I'm a life long democratness......"
 
This says it all.

And John McCain has a reputation for having one of the worst tempers in Washington and often for no reason. He is not a cool, calm, collected individual by any means.
 
Me too. Its got me questioning "I'm a life long democratness......"

It really is quite silly. It would be hard to slip a piece of paper between the positions the take on most policy issues, and so it really boils down to a personal prefference based on less tangibles. And yet the outrage, foot stamping and whining on both sides is really quite silly.

Fortunately, I think the bulk of the party is not suffering from having their panties all wadded up in a bunch. They have a preference, but compared to four years of "Bush Lite" they will gladly march off and vote for our candidate.
 
And John McCain has a reputation for having one of the worst tempers in Washington and often for no reason. He is not a cool, calm, collected individual by any means.

I was just thinking that-even he admits he has a quick temper.
 
Me too. Its got me questioning "I'm a life long democratness......"

It really is quite silly. It would be hard to slip a piece of paper between the positions the take on most policy issues, and so it really boils down to a personal prefference based on less tangibles. And yet the outrage, foot stamping and whining on both sides is really quite silly.

Fortunately, I think the bulk of the party is not suffering from having their panties all wadded up in a bunch. They have a preference, but compared to four years of "Bush Lite" they will gladly march off and vote for our candidate.

You can't make this stuff up.
 
Mark your calendar...it was a red letter day! HR doesn't apologize often. She may have used up all of her "I'm sorry's" for 2008 tonight. :rotfl2:

She probably figured out she really does need Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to make a good showing in PA.
 
I know I don't post on here but I would just like to remind ya'll to take a moment next week March 19-20 and take a moment to remember that 5 years ago the war in Iraq started. Five years, almost 4000 soldiers dead, umpteen dollars, and lots of lives destroyed.

Please take a moment to remember people like my handsome husband who was there 5 years ago and still there about to "celebrate" his 1000th day in Iraq. I do appreciate it as I know most of the public doesn't remember or care. Thank you.:)
 
I know I don't post on here but I would just like to remind ya'll to take a moment next week March 19-20 and take a moment to remember that 5 years ago the war in Iraq started. Five years, almost 4000 soldiers dead, umpteen dollars, and lots of lives destroyed.

Please take a moment to remember people like my handsome husband who was there 5 years ago and still there about to "celebrate" his 1000th day in Iraq. I do appreciate it as I know most of the public doesn't remember or care. Thank you.:)

Tina,

Excellent point -- as we celebrate Holy Week and the Easter holiday, our soldiers past and present should be on our minds and in our prayers.
 
I know I don't post on here but I would just like to remind ya'll to take a moment next week March 19-20 and take a moment to remember that 5 years ago the war in Iraq started. Five years, almost 4000 soldiers dead, umpteen dollars, and lots of lives destroyed.

Please take a moment to remember people like my handsome husband who was there 5 years ago and still there about to "celebrate" his 1000th day in Iraq. I do appreciate it as I know most of the public doesn't remember or care. Thank you.:)

Bless you and your husband. :goodvibes
 
I know I don't post on here but I would just like to remind ya'll to take a moment next week March 19-20 and take a moment to remember that 5 years ago the war in Iraq started. Five years, almost 4000 soldiers dead, umpteen dollars, and lots of lives destroyed.

Please take a moment to remember people like my handsome husband who was there 5 years ago and still there about to "celebrate" his 1000th day in Iraq. I do appreciate it as I know most of the public doesn't remember or care. Thank you.:)

You and your cutie pie husband-and all our soldiers and their families are in my prayers every day-but ESPECIALLY during this week.

I agree with the Jester-my Holy Week prayers will be dedicated to all of you.
 
I don't understand your point.

Let me lay it out for you. It is precisely because there isn't a helluva lot of policy differences that Clinton has had to make up a resume, pad the she one she does have, and the throw the "kitchen sink/toilet bowl" at Obama.

And I do not appreciate having my Democratic credentials questioned because I happened to think Ferraro's comments were racist and Clinton's reaction came a bit too lat as if she were waiting for the poll data.

What is truly disturbing to me is watching so many Democrats willing to look the other way at Clinton's behavior because "she's a Democrat". I've heard this crap from countless Republicans who now wonder what the hell happened to their party. Here's a little clue: those Republicans now bemoaning the death of their party were the same ones who rewarded, with their vote, Daddy Bush for Lee Atwater's antics, Sonny Bush's Karl Rove antics, and the hatemongering that came from the religious right.

Too many Democrats are now sounding exactly like Republicans when they question "who's really a Democrat". I'm going to borrow a line from Howard Dean: I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic party. I'm not Republican-lite or blinded by a candidate. Hillary Clinton, through her own actions, lost my vote and the vote of countless Democrats. She's got the campaign she wanted. Now she can live with the fallout.
 
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