Teachers are giving me a hard time pulling kids out of school

I haven't read all the pages but have a response anyway. In 2006 I took my DGS out of school, with his parent's permission, to go to WDW. His teacher gave me all his work and every morning at breakfast we did that day's lesson. He was in 2nd grade and I had planned the trip so that he would lose minimal time. In 2008 I took him again during the school year again with him missing 1 day because of the days off built into the school calendar. He is now in 5th grade and will not be going this year. There are 2 reasons. One he would miss too much school time to justify it. Two, and more importantly Philadelphia has a zero tolerance policy. No unexcused absences are allowed and a trip will not be considered excused no matter how much school work the child does. You get pulled into truancy court, and then into Family Court. The parent can be fined (or jailed) and the child can be forced to repeat the grade. I know he is unhappy with my decision but school takes priority over vacations. I have done the hot, crowded summers with my kids and truthfully I don't find it that bad. I was in Disney with my kids, that was what counted the most to me.
 
Imore importantly Philadelphia has a zero tolerance policy. No unexcused absences are allowed and a trip will not be considered excused no matter how much school work the child does. You get pulled into truancy court, and then into Family Court. The parent can be fined (or jailed) and the child can be forced to repeat the grade.
The day our school implements a zero tolerance policy is the day we start home schooling (an option we have seriously considered in the past for other reasons).

As the OP stated, their jobs do not allow them to go at other times. As some of our foreign friends have noted a trip is treated as an opportunity for learning versus a horrible thing to do. My children are in 1st and 4th grade. They will be out of school for 7 days in December. DS is always ahead and DD can keep up with no problems. If the day comes when we feel they can't keep up we won't do it. But I think our society is losing room for common sense. Our school's policy is up to 20 unexcused absences. When I was in HS some kids would miss a couple of days of school for the first days of hunting season. Maybe a parent would decide just to take the kid out for a mental health day. A friend of mine got pulled out of school for a week to go to Bermuda when we were in the second grade. He went on to be class valedictorian, graduated from Harvard Law School and is head counsel of a major US University. And as his classmate, his absence did not have any long term negative effects on my life.

I believe the rules are put into place to protect our children's education hence why some schools set 10 or 15 or 20 day limits. But to allow for no unexcused absences seems pretty archane to me.
 
Holy cow....

My son has a chronic, life -threatening and fatal illness. I take him out of school every year for a trip south. Every December we go, health permitting.

I can't imagine school telling me no! I would go freaking bonkers. I am trying to create memories, because I don't know how much tme we have left or even if we can travel tomorrow. Truthfully, that could be said for anyone...

Education is great...but it won't help my son's illness and won't cure him. If I lived in Phil. and they said no.....I'd go and left them put me in jail!!!!!!

Holy cow....:scared1:

Charleyann
 
Actually, in the part of the comment you quote, the author made efficient use of the ellipse. Her statement reads "I know it's just a chat room, but...

Some people's' are shore pashnut bout them schooling's awrihgt."

In this case, the author used ellipses in the informal sense, to indicate a pause in thought. Admittedly, the capitalization of "some" might be arguable, but with the double spacing between "but" and "some" the capitalization was used for emphasis, so I would be of the mind to let that go.

As to the construct of the sentence, however, I see nothing wrong with it. The author uses a compound-complex sentence. Maybe it would help if I took out the elements that were meant to be used for emphasis? "I know it's just a chat room, but some people are sure passionate about their schooling, alright."

Also, in taking to task the author of the original quote, you called the author's use of ellipses a "fragment sentence." The word 'fragment' in the way in which you used it is as a noun. It can only be used as an adjective with a modifier. You could have said ". . . the comment above is a fragment of a sentence" or ". . . the comment above is a fragment."

Your second point that the author did not have a subject in her first sentence is also incorrect, so far as proper use of informal English (or formal English, for that matter) is concerned. The author used what is most commonly known as the understood you, which is a perfectly acceptable structure in most dialects of English.

:rotfl2: :lmao:
I do not have time to grade this. You are hilarious. The understood subject is (You). :lmao::rotfl2:
 

Years ago DD was going to miss 4days for WDW 2 each week. Teacher had her so upset about missing she didnt want to even go. Taunted her into making us cancel. Sent a note to me bout if every kid took time off there would be no kids in school, thats what summer is for etc.. She ruined our trip no less. Well fast forward a few months DD started talking about sub techer alot.I finally ? her well MRS X happened to be on maternity leave for the rest of the school year. Well I went to great lenths to get her phone number and told her off. I said how dare you have a baby during school that is what summer is for . What if every teacher got knocked up and took off the whole year Iwould have to quit my job and homeschool. Boy did I give her HE??LL.
 
Years ago DD was going to miss 4days for WDW 2 each week. Teacher had her so upset about missing she didnt want to even go. Taunted her into making us cancel. Sent a note to me bout if every kid took time off there would be no kids in school, thats what summer is for etc.. She ruined our trip no less. Well fast forward a few months DD started talking about sub techer alot.I finally ? her well MRS X happened to be on maternity leave for the rest of the school year. Well I went to great lenths to get her phone number and told her off. I said how dare you have a baby during school that is what summer is for . What if every teacher got knocked up and took off the whole year Iwould have to quit my job and homeschool. Boy did I give her HE??LL.

:lmao:
 
My son wasn't even give work to go to Wales to visit his great-grandmother who was very sick. My mother was taking them to say good-bye. Every teacher gave him a hard time.

As a teacher, I personally would have given him the work knowing the circumstances. I would probably do it for my students going to Disney who asked as well. However, it is a lot of work to get everything together. But I woudl do it because otherwise they would come back to a lot of work to make up. to do this. I might just give them the things they really couldn't miss and take out the fluffy stuff (not that we give too much of this with MCAS).

I am a special needs teacher and organization is my main job. Just organizing my students for the day and making sure they have everything they need for their homework is very time consuming. I couldn't imagine getting them to complete the work they missed along with the regular assignments.

However, I work in the city and most students don't get to go on vacation so it really hasn't been a problem for me yet. We do have kids leave and go to other countries for awhile. They just go and come back without asking for much.

I don't take my kids out of school to go anywhere except doctors' appointments unless it is something more important than school (like my grandmother). The work they would have to make up is too much, especially when they are in middle and high school. Younger grades, not as big of a deal but that depends on the child. My son is LD so missing work can really put him behind.

We are going to Orlando during our April vacation. I know it is crowded but I want peace of mind knowing that they won't have a ton of work to make up. My high school daughters wouldn't go anyway if I took them out of school (which I wouldn't even consider) and I don't want to go without them. I think teachers need to be somewhat flexible at times.
 
Our schools try to make it a big honking deal if you pull your kids out for vacation. They won't give you work ahead of time as punishment for not toeing the line.

However, in most cases, I could pretty much figure out how to cover the next week's worth of assignments by having my kid bring home the text book and doing a little judicious xeroxing. I'd probably be at least 70% correct and nothing would be hurt by having the child do the next couple of chapters of material. We'd make up the rest when we got back.

We don't pull the kids out for vacation only because dh is a high school teacher, so we are stuck paying thousands of dollars more for vacation than if we went a non-school week. That's the deal if you sign up for being a teacher. But if he weren't, I'd pull them out in a heartbeat.

If the school really wanted to make threats about the truant officer or the like, I'd disenroll the kids for a week to be homeschooled and reenroll them upon our return.
 
I'm a high school teacher, and I understand the hesitation about sending out daily e-mails to make sure that your child keeps on top of assignments. To you it's a quick message.

To me it is much more than that. I don't know how your child's classes are, but I do not rely on the textbook to do my teaching. It is difficult, if not impossible for me to convey what we covered in a day by typing a five minute e-mail. That means I would have to type up the class notes for the day and attach images and primary source documents. To do less would cheapen what I am trying to teach and put your child behind when he returns. This could take me anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. I'm not happy about having to do that because you want to take your family to Disney World during school.

Then, what happens when your child has questions? More e-mail for me. Then your child is understandably behind when he returns, which means I will have to spend time with him after school. Don't get me wrong, I am happy to do it, but realize that my work day is now increased because I still have papers to grade and lessons to prepare. All because you wanted to go on vacation.

I hope your family has a wonderful time on vacation, but please cut you kids teachers some slack. ;)

Melissa
I'm also a high school teacher, and I assure you that this poster is telling you the truth. Putting together individual work for a student is VERY time consuming. Expectations have risen sharply in the years I've been teaching, and if I were JUST teaching Chapter 5 of the textbook this week . . . well, I wouldn't be here much longer.

What this poster didn't throw in is the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of the students for whom we pull together all this work DO NOT COMPLETE IT. The vast majority do NONE OF THE WORK. Yes, even those whose parents contact me, ask for the work, and promise that it'll all be done. Those who do tend to complete only the "easy stuff" -- for example, quicky-worksheets, yet they leave the writing assignments unfinished. Or they come back saying, "I didn't have time on vacation. Can I have an extension?" So the upshot for the teacher is that we put in LOTS of extra time, and the child falls behind anyway. I haven't seen this once or twice, I've seen it over and over since the early 1990s.

I'm sure that people will post saying, "Not my child", but 17 years experience tells me that MOST children don't do the work while they're absent!
Because of our Jobs- this is the time of year we can travel. We both are professional and educated adults. It bothers me when teachers feel like parents don't give a damn about our kids education. I think that I am very responsible and want to make sure that the kids do not fall behind. However they will miss 5 1/2 days of school.
I understand that it's difficult for some people to get away because of their jobs -- being a teacher, I have the same problem -- but 5 1/2 days of school is a huge chunk out of my class. My class is only 90 days long, and it's likely that your child will miss another day or two here and there. My own daughter missed a day for a major orthodontist appointment last week, then she was throwing-up-sick at the end of the week -- kids miss enough school for legitimate reasons, and you're talking about adding onto that more than a whole week.

5 1/2 days in my class is a whole play . . . or it's our entire time in the library gathering material for the research paper (plus some time in the computer lab learning to use MLA format) . . or it's an entire poetry unit. It's not an insignificant amount of time.
I am sorry- but I spent over an hour today listening to one my employees complain about another employee- I wish I put in an 8 hour day and a 40 work week.
I wish I could put in an 8 hour day and a 40 hour week too.
If your teacher can't tell you a general idea of the what he is teaching while your child is out it sounds like the teacher has no plan. Start moving up the food chain - the vice principle, the principle, the superintendant. You will get what you need.
If you intend for your child to stay in this teacher's class for the rest of the year, I'd suggest that you NOT essentially say she doesn't know what she's doing -- not if this is the only factor upon which you're basing that opinion.

Speaking only for myself, we're required to turn in a year-long calendar stating what we're doing each and every day of the semester -- and we're expected to stick to that calendar. But telling you the general topic we'll be covering on October 10th isn't the same thing as having the worksheets, the reference materials, and everything else ready to hand over in a folder. Many things that we do don't translate nicely into handouts.

And the teacher's first responsibility has to be to preparing for whole-class instruction, not spending hours putting together individualized assignments for students whose families choose to pull them out.
For me the bottom line is....Family Comes First!!!! Missing one week of school is NOT going to effect my child for the rest of his life.
Probably not, but it might be the week they teach the child how to use affect and effect properly.

Taking a child on vacation isn't putting family first. Putting family first is a combination of thousands of little things you do each and every day. A vacation is a fun time for the family, but it isn't a make-or-break week.
 
Taking a child on vacation isn't putting family first. Putting family first is a combination of thousands of little things you do each and every day. A vacation is a fun time for the family, but it isn't a make-or-break week.

Of course not, but is it something you would willingly forgo for no reason other than a child's school schedule? I wonder that every time one of these threads get going. We're all here because we enjoy a particular travel destination. How many of the people railing against taking a child out of school for vacation would really just accept not traveling at all for 13 years (or more, if you have multiple children) because work and school schedules don't line up? How many have the luxury of holding that position because they have jobs that never force them to decide between work and school?

Believe me, I'd much rather travel over the summer. Sure, Disney and Mexico are fine in January, maybe not as warm as I'd like but not miserable cold. But many of the other places I'd like to go just can't be done over the winter (VA Beach, Ocean City, basically any beach town), and others are really, really cold to the point of unpleasant (DC, NYC, Chicago). Plus I hate flying to begin with and flying in/out of Michigan in January never fails to freak me out, but driving any real distance that time of year is just begging for trouble. I wish we could just take off the two weeks before school starts the way my mom did when I was a kid and travel then, but that's not an option. So we settle for the best we can do, even though it isn't exactly what we'd like to do.
 
We leave next friday and this makes our fourth trip to WDW. This is the first year the teachers at school are giving us a hard time. They implimented a new attendance policy. I thought we were going early enough in the year that it wouldn't be such a big deal- both my DH and I have jobs that it is difficult to travel any other time then the fall-

I emailed the teachers and stated that we are taking a laptop and that I would email them daily to receive assignments since most of them can not give me a prepared lesson prior to our trip. No disrespect to teachers out there but I don't understand why they can not email me daily to let me know what pages in the text book they went over and what homework they assigned. I can not even get excited about our trip because this has become such an ordeal... Anyone else experience this with their trips?

I did not read the whole thread so let me say that if this has been said before I apologize. First of all, attendance is tied to the stupidity that is No Child Left Behind measured by Adequate Yearly Progress. So is tardiness. It is part of the school's report card.

HOWEVER, I am sure that the teachers are thinking your children will be behind when they return and wondering how they will catch up. Also, as a teacher twice this week alone I forgot to eat my lunch because I was so busy. Usually I stuff in a sandwich at the copier. I get to school at 6 and usually leave at 5. If a child was ill then I could make the time to put together an extra bit of work but I think it is inconsiderate and even a little demeaning to think that a teacher has time in her day to sit down and e mail assignements to someone on vacation.
 
I do not pull my children out of school for vacations and we still have plenty of quality time everyday.
I would never expect a teacher to email me everyday and let me know the assignments because my family is on vacation.
We take our vacations in the summer when there is no school. Some years we don't take a family vacation because it is not in the budget.
I really resent people who believe that if you don't take a family vacation during the school year you are not putting your children first and you are not having any quality time with your family.
 
No I would actually prefer it that way. The school doesn't waste it's time teaching health issues, etc. The teachers personal views don't color the material. If test scores are any indication to a schools success - then the Charter schools are beating the public schools hands down. All teachers in MA are required to have a Master's Degree within 5 years of getting their teaching certificate. The Charter Schools do not have that requirement. So explain to me the higher test scores, when the children get in the school by a lottery system, pull from low socio-economic regions that the public schools are barely passing federal standards, and the teachers aren't "as well educated"?? Could it possibly be the teaching model??

Charter schools select the children they want--even from those low-socioeconomic regions and often preclude students with disabilities--so when you select your students and you leave out children with mental disabilities, you are going to have better test scores. It's the job of public education to take every child regardless of upbringing and disability and make sure they score proficient on a test by the end of the year due to NCLB.

I have a hint for you. . .if the mean IQ score is 100, and they are having trouble scoring proficient on said test, it's obvious a child with a 60 IQ is not going to score proficient. It's not pretty, it's not fair, but it's life.

Further charter schools have smaller class sizes, more involved parents (who actually puts their kids in the lottery? I can assure you it's not the uninvolved parents), and better materials, and those are all proven to be high factors in children's success in school.

That's not the point of this, anyway. Sure, taxpayers pay my salary. People who play football have salaries paid by the people who watch football. People who write novels are paid by the people who buy the novels. Many different factors go into every salary. I can assure you of this, though: no one parent is going to determine that I as a teacher have to give up my personal time to email them every day because they chose to take their child out of school for a vacation. That one parent's tax money does not completely pay that one teacher's salary. Her job is to teach a class of often 20-30 children at a time for 7 hours per day, write lesson plans, grade papers, read assignments, complete paperwork, and attend meetings. Her job is to do this efficiently knowing that at some point in the year a parent is going to call and curse at her or threaten her and she has to still be civil and take it or that somehow people are going to think it's not enough.

And, by the way, since 2007, I have taken my children and myself (using personal days) to Disney for three days at a time. I have always let the teachers know I was going to do it so they have foreknowledge of my intentions. But I have never expected a teacher to send the work home. I have asked what standards she will be covering the week before because I know the lesson plans are due before then, and I have done my best, as a knowledgeable educator, to cover those standards through real-world teaching on vacation. If a teacher says that they haven't gotten plans together yet, then fine. I look at what they have been covering, decide what I would cover next, and use that. I take control of my child's education and don't expect someone who already works 50-60 hour weeks to take time out of their busy schedule to accommodate me.
 
We leave on Saturday and I'm pulling my DS10 and DD6 out of school for 4 days. (there's a holiday in there) In elementary school they give the child the work upon their return. I'm not too worried about my DD. MY DS10 however is in 5th grade and things are a bit different.

This trip is a surprise so practically no one knows we're going, even the school. I did choose one teacher that I emailed last night actually and asked her if they would give the work head of time or after he got back. If they were going to wait until he got back then I felt there was no reason to tell all the teachers and school until the last minute. I don't want anyone to ruin the surprise.

Anyway, this specific teacher was so excited about our trip and how it will be a surprise. She said they can get the work ahead for me and she'd be happy to collect it all and have it ready for me to pickup on Thursday. She also promised to make sure the teachers know it's a surprise so they won't ruin it.

I'm also bringing my laptop anyway, so he'll be able to get online and check what the homework is for each day and do it when we're in the room or on the plane.

I'm very thankful that our schools here recognize that not all families are capable of travel during school vacations. They are VERY flexible.

To the OP - have fun on your trip, I know we will! Maybe we'll see you there!!
 
1. As far as judging those who don't pull their kids out. No, I think the point is there are those of that feel that vacation takes precedence over the classroom. Others don't feel that way. They feel that perfect attendance is the way to go fine. Bottom line is we all want the best education for our children. I choose to take my kids out for family vacations, it works for us and our school is okay with it. If it doesn't work for you, than by all means, don't do it.

2. OT - Charter Schools, I couldn't resist. My children are in a charter school after DD spend 2 1/2 years in a large urban district. It was never about the teachers or the students but the mismanagement of the district as a whole. Their present school has the same demographic as the district in which we reside. These kids do succeed. My son has Asperger's syndrome, my friend's 9 yo, who just started at this school this year reads well below her level and has an IEP. These kids are accomodated. The charter schools are able to do things "outside the box". Many districts don't allow for that. The charter school does and the school has to meet NYS standards, some of the more stringent in the country.
 
Eh, okay, so I didn't read the last two pages ... Hey, heck it's Caturday! :rotfl:

Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the end of this semester. You see, I'll be pulling my two boys from school the week after Thanksgiving for a trip to WDW, and I'm interested in how their grades will stand. I'd like to see whether their time out will ruin their lives or not ... I will be posting our experience come December ...

My oldest is in 9th grade. Incidentally, I just received his report card this past Thursday, and his lowest grade is a 94 in Algebra I. I'd spoken with all of his teachers at the beginning of the year (before he started earning grades), and they all told me that they wouldn't have any problems giving him assignments before our trip (school's out for the entire week of Thanksgiving, and our trip starts the Sunday after and continues through that week, so he'll be doing his assignments before we leave). I will be sending reminders at the beginning of November. As for my other son ... he's in first grade ... his teacher said that she'll have some worksheets for us, but that's it.

*Please note that I did not request that the teachers provide any special treatment; they actually volunteered, and we will not disappoint them*

Other than having to deal with the truancy contract, I think we're okay. I plan to buy an ornament (if any teachers have any other ideas for a gift, please let me know :flower3:) for each teacher and have my youngest ds (who's in first grade) work on a journal while we're gone and present that during show-and-tell.

My whole point is ... Know what your school's policy is. If it's up to the teachers to determine make-up work, communicate with them and be honest with them. They deserve honesty at the very least, kwim? Our school system's policy is that it is up to the teacher to decide about makeup work. If we were told that our family time would amount to zeroes, we'd pull the boys out anyway, because that's how important this trip is to us. Luckily, we have teachers who care and who are willing to take their valuable time to give us their assignments beforehand.

For the people that are so jaded as to give people a chance ... I'm so sorry that you've had bad experiences. But know that that not everyone is like this. There are 2% bad apples for the 98% of the rest ,,,
 
I haven't read the entire thread. I wouldn't take my 8th grader out of school for a trip to
WDW unless it was just one or two days. A week and I'd expect teachers to give him zeros. It's not as if he would be sick for that time. When he was little-K thru 2, I had no problem with it as the content and catch up was easier. That's just me, no judgements but I can see how a teacher might be offended and think your priorities were in the wrong place. Were the trip to Europe or someplace noteworthy and educationally rich, I might be a little more inclined to consider allowing missing school.

In our school district-I think the entire state of Ohio-the first week of October is the week attendance is taken to base individual school funding from the state and attendance is crucial.
 
Charter schools select the children they want--even from those low-socioeconomic regions and often preclude students with disabilities--so when you select your students and you leave out children with mental disabilities, you are going to have better test scores. It's the job of public education to take every child regardless of upbringing and disability and make sure they score proficient on a test by the end of the year due to NCLB.

I have a hint for you. . .if the mean IQ score is 100, and they are having trouble scoring proficient on said test, it's obvious a child with a 60 IQ is not going to score proficient. It's not pretty, it's not fair, but it's life.

Further charter schools have smaller class sizes, more involved parents (who actually puts their kids in the lottery? I can assure you it's not the uninvolved parents), and better materials, and those are all proven to be high factors in children's success in school.

That's not the point of this, anyway. Sure, taxpayers pay my salary. People who play football have salaries paid by the people who watch football. People who write novels are paid by the people who buy the novels. Many different factors go into every salary. I can assure you of this, though: no one parent is going to determine that I as a teacher have to give up my personal time to email them every day because they chose to take their child out of school for a vacation. That one parent's tax money does not completely pay that one teacher's salary. Her job is to teach a class of often 20-30 children at a time for 7 hours per day, write lesson plans, grade papers, read assignments, complete paperwork, and attend meetings. Her job is to do this efficiently knowing that at some point in the year a parent is going to call and curse at her or threaten her and she has to still be civil and take it or that somehow people are going to think it's not enough.

And, by the way, since 2007, I have taken my children and myself (using personal days) to Disney for three days at a time. I have always let the teachers know I was going to do it so they have foreknowledge of my intentions. But I have never expected a teacher to send the work home. I have asked what standards she will be covering the week before because I know the lesson plans are due before then, and I have done my best, as a knowledgeable educator, to cover those standards through real-world teaching on vacation. If a teacher says that they haven't gotten plans together yet, then fine. I look at what they have been covering, decide what I would cover next, and use that. I take control of my child's education and don't expect someone who already works 50-60 hour weeks to take time out of their busy schedule to accommodate me.


Finally, someone who GETS IT(but obviously you are an educator so you understand)!! And let me add if you are a behavior problem then the charter school can boot you out right down the street to the public school. If you are homeless, or a transient charter does not have to take you. We have kids bussed from an hour away because they are homeless (i.e. living in a state provided apartment) but they go to school in the city where they last laid their head. If the public schools had the same option as charter schools we would score ADVANCED in every category because we can teach the worst of the worst and make progress in an inheirently flawed system (NCLB) ....what would happen if we got to teach the best of the best?
OH and here is a little news flash for all the charter school devotees....eventually your school too will hit a wall and not make adequate yearly progress. Once everyone is advanced then there is no where to go but NCLB does not provide for this. In the infinate wisdom of the this plan a school is not making progress if it does on increase scores each year...so if you hit the ultimate then you cannot go any further so you are not making progress. IN my state the upper class high income areas are beginning to find this out now. Also, all states high stakes tests are NOT created equal. I wonder what will happen when a nationwide test (which is in the process of being created) is adminsitered?
While this is a slight detour from the origianl topic, it does relate to one of the reasons teachers hate when students miss educational time.
 
OP, I hope you have a great trip. I check in this Friday too and my family group will include my 10th grader.
 















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