Swine Flu - General Discussion and how it affects Disney

umm, in the immortal words of Val Kilmer "there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as good as the real thing." just sayin'.

"Real Genius" is a great movie, but if you actually read my post you'd see I was making a sarcastic attempt at calming all of these people down with their face masks and Purell....believe me, I am a Republican-loathing Liberal who thinks this whole swine flu thing is the media's attempt to make another news story.....but to quote "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"...
I just switched to Sanka, so have a heart
 
Is tamiflu safe for 4 year olds?
I am going crazy! I think I need to stay away from the TV and comp for a couple of days, this news is actually crippling me now, it is getting to the point that I am afraid to leave the house and that just is not good, its not cool to live in fear.

Also found our state has 5 confirmed cases (had none before), I guess it will be on CDC website tomorrow @ 11 when they update it
 
Update from the local news:

IF the pandemic alert goes to level 6 (it's currently level 5)
And
IF a case is confirmed in Orange or Osceola County (currently awaiting results)

Then the theme parks will be shut down.

*Donning flame proof suit*

Seriously guys, don't shoot the messenger. This is according to the local news, and allegedly based on the state pandemic response plan that has been in place for years. Just thought those of you with upcoming trips should be aware of the possibility.

Do you have a link to your source?
 
Just watched the local news in the Houston area. Alot of stores in the area are out of masks and Purell. Also Pasadena ISD has cancelled all out of district school trips including the one the choir would have been making to Disneyworld. Several more districts have also closed schools. I live outside of Houston and went to one of the dollar stores in town and they were totally out of Purell but I was able to locate a a couple of bottles at the local drug store.

Yay! Less crowds for my June trip!!!
 

At least most US cases do not seem serious yet. 11 schools now closed in the Chicago area. One in my town, a number in the surrounding towns. It seems to spread very fast. So far all cases around here are considered mild. I am not a person who would usually worry about stuff like this. I would normally consider it all to be the media over hyping things. But I have 3 small kids, two of whom have slight breathing issues. Not so funny anymore. My youngest is on antibiotics right now for an ear infection. Has had bronchilits twice and early pnemonia (can't spell that) once. I get them flu shots as they are at higher risk. But since the shot won't help this- I can't help it. I admit it I am getting nervous. At this rate I expect pretty much every school in the suburbs will be closed by the end of next week....

I can certainly understand and sympathize. I'm fighting bronchitis right now, my DD and DGS both have ear infections (they're both on the mend), and we're leaving in three weeks. I'm concerned, too, but not scared.
 
Is tamiflu safe for 4 year olds?
I am going crazy! I think I need to stay away from the TV and comp for a couple of days, this news is actually crippling me now, it is getting to the point that I am afraid to leave the house and that just is not good, its not cool to live in fear.

Also found our state has 5 confirmed cases (had none before), I guess it will be on CDC website tomorrow @ 11 when they update it


What do you do during regular flu season? Hibernate? I dont mean to be rude, but put it into perspective....and turn off the tv!!!!
 
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It's not a vaccine I'd be willing to take anytime soon. Vaccines need long periods of testing before being approved for use. There is no way I'd be willing to take a vaccine that only took a few months to create and approve.

I'm not a non-vaxer either. My kids are vaxed on schedule. They get seasonal flu shots. I'm not willing to give them any vaxes that haven't been properly tested though--it just can't be done in a matter of months, IMO.

I'd hate to see a repeat of 1976 when they thought the swine flu was going to be a pandemic. The vaccine that they whipped up ended up causing more damage than the swine flu did!

I agree. I'm all for vaccination in general, but it would take a lot more than a fast-moving but not generally severe/lethal flu to convince me to give my children a vaccine that was rushed through development and testing in a matter of months. My DS's aunt developed Guillain-Barre in middle school and never fully recovered; for her it was just one of those things with no identifiable cause but that was the major problem with the vaccine in '76. It isn't something I'd risk to avoid the type of flu we've seen from H1N1 in the US.
 
Guys, I feel a moral responsibility to post this article that was done in reference to the email I posted last night from an ER doc in our town:

http://www.ksat.com:80/health/19336577/detail.html

Dr. Marcus Gitterle's E-mail Comments Draw Ire Of Comal County Officials

POSTED: Thursday, April 30, 2009
UPDATED: 8:14 pm CDT April 30, 2009



NEW BRAUNFELS, Texas -- A New Braunfels emergency doctor's e-mail sent this week about the H1N1 flu outbreak has many people wondering which information is correct and has Comal County health authorities distancing themselves from the doctor's message.

An e-mail sent by Dr. Marcus Gitterle, an employee of Christus Santa Rosa hospital, sent out an e-mail releasing information about a public health meeting he recently attended. The e-mail states that almost everybody exposed to H1N1 virus will become infected, though not necessarily sick. He also wrote that he believed the number of confirmed cases is higher than media reports indicated and that hospital would likely be overwhelmed.

The e-mail generated a massive amount of interest from the hundred who received it, including KSAT 12 News via numerous forwarded messages from readers and viewers.

Comal County officials addressed Gitterle's comments at their Thursday morning briefing.

"Christus Santa Rosa hospital just called me to assure me that this doctor was not speaking for the hospital," said Comal County Judge Danny Scheel. "The hospital agrees fully with the recommendations made by the CDC and by our local health authorities."

Scheel also said Gitterle's assertions that communities are running out of Tamiflu, one of the treatments being used for those diagnosed with the illness, are exaggerated, and that more of the drug would be available if necessary.

Gitterle backtracked from his earlier e-mail with a post on his blog Thursday. The post read: "Finally, I want to clarify that I did not, and do not feel that the media is intentionally misleading anyone; rather, I think that this is a confusing, rapidly evolving situation, and it is easy for even trained professionals to become confused about the subtle distinctions between microbiologic confirmation and clinical diagnosis. I applaud the judicious, thoughtful reporting I have been seeing. I think the media has been by and large very responsible and helpful throughout this epidemic. Likewise, the Health Department and CDC are not misleading anyone, I think that again, the same technical communication issues apply."

Update, 8:12 p.m.: The following is a statement from Gitterle sent to KSAT 12 News: When I sent out an email to close friends and family a couple of days ago, I had no idea it would be edited, twisted and sent around the world. Unfortunately, it has. I intended only to help my close friends and family understand the seriousness of this epidemic. I was not making an official public health statement. To set the record straight, I cannot speak more highly of Comal County Judge, Danny Scheele, Comal County School officials, Dr. Overman, and the tireless staff of our County Health Department. They acted with great professionalism and temerity, in choosing to close schools for 10 days, and I believe it is already having an effect on the spread of the virus. Likewise, hospitals in the region, including my own, have been doing incredible work in managing the patient care mission created by this epidemic. Administrators in my hospital system are truly rising to the occasion, and I am proud of their work. I also think that at the national level, excellent decisions have been made to support the fight against this virus. One of those excellent decisions was to make certain that ample supplies of appropriate medication are available to manage an epidemic such as this. Finally, the media is responding with some really excellent reporting on a complex, emotion-laden subject, without fanning the counterproductive flames of fear and paranoia. If there is a message I would like to convey, it is to take this flu seriously, and stay safe. How? By supporting the decisions of our public officials, and paying close attention to CDC and Health Department announcements and guidelines. If we do that, we can win this battle.
 
Ohh...I also don't care if I get flamed for my comments on Mexico. Remember the tainted tomatoes of 2008? Who gave them to us? Mexico! Salmonella spinach? Mexico! Thank you to all the greedy companies who fled to get cheap labor in Mexico and China...what did we get in addition to unemployment? Tainted food, tainted pet food, tainted baby formula, lead-filled toys. Everybody is so worried about being "politically correct" (the Dems) or offending voters (Dems and Republicans) or using hysteria to divide the masses (Republicans) that nobody is doing anything to protect Americans from this sub-par crap that is making our babies, pets and elderly sick. Look how long it took to name Mexico as the source of tainted tomatoes! Mattel actually APOLOGIZED to China when Mattel found lead in their toys. People, instead of being worried about if you're going to get sick at WDW or if the gay guy will win on Idol, lets start putting our religious and political differences aside and stand together against these corporations that are sacrificing OUR HEALTH to wring out more profit!:headache:

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I am more nervous about DD getting it I guess.....
DD will start preschool in Sept, other than that her contact to LARGE groups is low. She'll go to the park, hang out with family,hang out with her 3 cousins, a few trips to Target, grocery shopping, but other than that....nothing. So don't think her immune system is very strong I guess you could say? DD has only had amoxicillin once (knock on wood)...she had eye issues when she was born and I had to get eye drops every month. it was her tear ducts causing pink eye but it cleared up within a year. She also has a peanut allergy (whew! typed her whole history haha)

Last year she got sick while at Disney so I am a little nervous about this year with this going around :(

And no I don't hibernate, actually I just did student teaching with a kindergarten this past winter (flu season). One day 1/2 the class was out but it was some sort of stomach bug going around the school.
 
Update from the local news:

IF the pandemic alert goes to level 6 (it's currently level 5)
And
IF a case is confirmed in Orange or Osceola County (currently awaiting results)

Then the theme parks will be shut down.

*Donning flame proof suit*

Seriously guys, don't shoot the messenger. This is according to the local news, and allegedly based on the state pandemic response plan that has been in place for years. Just thought those of you with upcoming trips should be aware of the possibility.

My dear ol' granny would call that "borrowing trouble". Seriously, that's a couple too many "ifs" for me to be worried. I walk into a den of flu, strep, and staph germs every day then hug and kiss on the little germ wads all day long. ;) I do take these things seriously and we do take all recommend precautions but what I don't do is worry about what might or might not happen if this and if that happens when Great Aunt Sue's horse dies. It ain't worth the extra gray hair.:thumbsup2
 
Is tamiflu safe for 4 year olds?
I sure hope so! :goodvibes
Mine (DD4 at the time) had it a few weeks ago, for regular old flu (type B, I think).
She seems to have had no ill effects, and I think the tamiflu helped all of us (MD put the whole family on it when she tested positive.)
The only problem we had was finding the Tamiflu oral suspension that she was prescribed. It took the 3rd pharmacy we tried calling around on our behalf to locate it.
 
Tamiflu is okay in children 1 and older according to my ped and my sister (MPH with PDH). I think Relenza is safe as well :)
 
THis is from a news item on slate.com:

"The Los Angeles Times is by far the most optimistic and points out experts seem to be coming to the conclusion that, in its current form, the H1N1 virus "isn't shaping up to be as fatal as the strains that caused some previous pandemics." Although the virus does appear to spread easily, it doesn't seem like its mortality rate will get anywhere close to the typical flu season that kills 36,000 people in the United States."

This is what I had been wondering - how bad is this flu, compared to other strains of the flu in the past. By most accounts, it seems to be speading faster than the flu generally does, but there's no indication that it is significantly worse than any other flu strain. And when you consider that the "typical flu season" results in 36,000 deaths in the US. you have to wonder if the H1N1 flu isn't being over-hyped just a little. There are always fatalities from the flu in infants, the elderly and those whose health is already compromised. It doesn't seem as though there is any more to fear from H1N1 than from any other type of flu.
 
Guys, I feel a moral responsibility to post this article that was done in reference to the email I posted last night from an ER doc in our town:

...

Dr. Marcus Gitterle's E-mail Comments Draw Ire Of Comal County Officials

POSTED: Thursday, April 30, 2009
UPDATED: 8:14 pm CDT April 30, 2009



NEW BRAUNFELS, Texas -- A New Braunfels emergency doctor's e-mail sent this week about the H1N1 flu outbreak has many people wondering which information is correct and has Comal County health authorities distancing themselves from the doctor's message.

I find it very interesting that no one discredits the facts of his original email. Instead they only "distanced" themselves. For example, they did not discount his observation that there was not enough medication. Instead, they said more could be made available. His observations and advice still seem credible to me.
 
Re a possible closure fo the theme parks...

If the World Health Organization raises the alert level to a "6," the state's plan calls for several possible changes.

Employers can ask workers to work from home, and schools can start shutting their doors.

Theme parks and cruises could be off limits.

But all of that likely won't happen unless we get a confirmed case in Florida, affecting only those counties with the case.

From http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/local/hillsborough/Florida_pandemic_plan_043009
 
What do you do during regular flu season? Hibernate? I dont mean to be rude, but put it into perspective....and turn off the tv!!!!

You don't mean to be rude, but yet, that's how you're coming across.:confused3 If someone is frightened, why would you think sarcasm and ridicule would help matters? If you're that offended, don't read the thread.

There are people here who have children with respiratory problems..maybe the kid has already had some scary run-ins with the regular flu or they themselves have gotten very sick..Most of these people would get a flu shot to ward of the seasonal flu..they are unable to do this because there is no vaccine yet. I can see why some people feel helpless.

Does it make you feel better about the issue to mock people who are afraid?:rolleyes1
 

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