Stop with the Fundraisers Already!

It's not easy for the kids selling it either. And they always have fundraisers the same time everyone else does so it's whoever gets to the door first. We had to sell 17 items, each were at least $11 or we couldn't go to our meeting. Then another fundraiser.

I can think of at least 6 fundraisers that went/still going on in the past month.
 
Um, no. If you want me to sell provide the information.

I think if you want a line item breakdown of where every penny goes you probably need to ask for that. They did provide you information-it goes to class funds and teacher support. I think you are being a little over dramatic about this personally.
 
This may have been covered but I didn't have the time to read it all.

I HATE the concept of parents selling stuff at work for their children's activities. There isn't a day that goes by that some fellow employee isn't walking in with an order sheet asking us to buy popcorn, Christmas wreaths, candy, magazines, candles, etc. for their kids cub scout pack, boy scouts, skating team, school trip fund and so on.

First off, I have never even met their kids. I may be crazy but shouldn't they be the ones doing the selling? Secondly, no I don't want candles, popcorn, magazines or the like. Thirdly, this is work related? Forth, if I say no that is no reason to get *****y. I have a right not to buy stuff and if you decide to take it personally, well, life must be awful for you.

Stop it. If the kids need to sell something let them get off their video watching butts and get out there and sell it. If you are worried about their safety, by all means, go with them, but they must be involved directly for it to mean anything. Just keep it out of the workplace.
 
I think if you want a line item breakdown of where every penny goes you probably need to ask for that. They did provide you information-it goes to class funds and teacher support. I think you are being a little over dramatic about this personally.

What are "vital class funds"? How about stating what the vital funds are.
 

I have been sucked into this for about 9 years now with my nieces and nephews, no pressure from SIL, but of course I want to help out every now and then. Every year my niece and I make a 'bet' on when the first fundraiser is going to come home. Typically it is on the 4th day of school! I have noticed over the last few years it is less 'crap' and more things that I would normally buy.

For the last 2 years the elementary school switched from the 'wrapping-paper-and-crap-I-don't-need' catalog to Entertainment Books ($25) which I prefer. My Mom and I would be buying the books anyways and we more than broke even for both books with our National car rental coupon for 2/10. I also take my Mom's coupons for kids museums and she takes what she needs from my book.

Now we have girl scouts and the magazine sale... I like that you can do renewals so if I have one coming up in a few months I will renew it, so will my Mom. My Mom renewed a magazine on cruising last year and the G.S. price was actually much cheaper than the renewal she got in the mail! :woohoo:
 
Our PTO does way too many fundraisers. They are constantly trying to raise money for this, that, and the other thing. I've gone to the meetings and taken a look at their budget... when they have more money, then tend to spend it on fluff. Rather than upsetting their donor base with an excess of fundraisers, they'd be better off to figure out how much money then NEED and ask for $X per year.

Don't get me wrong... our PTO does some great things like funding all of the kids' field trips and enrichment experiences.

But, in our down economy, they are currently asking to raise an enormous amount of money to replace the entire playset (at a guess, an expense of $30k). They'd like to raise $10k of that this year (in addition to covering their normal expenses). But we have less than 100 students in the school, the economy is down, and the PTO hasn't done anything to trim expenses in their operating budget to help "find" funds for the playset.

The fundraisers typically make a profit of 25%-30% (of the money spent by donors/buyers). I'd estimate our PTO wants to raise $300 per child this year. I have two kids at the school. At 30% profit, I'd have to spend $2000 on fundraisers for them to meet their goal. Heck, I'm not going to give them $600 (for the two kids) not to mention $2000.

I'll be going over the budget to figure out our share of "reasonable" expenses and sending in a check.
 
For everyone that suggests to just write a check to the school: Have you actually done this? I ask because when I worked as a teacher's assistant we had a parent that wanted to write a check for $100 insted of participating in a fund raisers. She was told she could not do that. Maybe she was writing it to the PTA and they can't just take donations or maybe she was writing it to the school directly and they can't take donations. :confused3 I don't remember, but she was told she couldn't just write a check.


I don't have a problem buying or selling things, I just want it to be something I can use. Our booster club is selling cards for a local pizza place. $10 for the card and you get 1 pizza without paying any more, then you can get a free medium when you buy a large or free pasta when you buy a medium and the card does not expire. This is the place we buy pizza the few times we get takeout so this will be useful for us and help the booster club.

Avon, Tupperware and other companies of that nature do fund raisers for organizations and I don't mind buying those things. Or one year our school used a company that sold sets of dish towels, it was just huge sets of dish towels and cloths came in 3 or 4 different colors and it was reasonably priced--that was one of the best.

The last thing our PTA sent home was Auntie Ann's pretzels. 6 for $16 or frozen cookie dough for $18 or $20. We didn't participate.
 
Our PTO does way too many fundraisers. They are constantly trying to raise money for this, that, and the other thing. I've gone to the meetings and taken a look at their budget... when they have more money, then tend to spend it on fluff. Rather than upsetting their donor base with an excess of fundraisers, they'd be better off to figure out how much money then NEED and ask for $X per year.

Don't get me wrong... our PTO does some great things like funding all of the kids' field trips and enrichment experiences.

But, in our down economy, they are currently asking to raise an enormous amount of money to replace the entire playset (at a guess, an expense of $30k). They'd like to raise $10k of that this year (in addition to covering their normal expenses). But we have less than 100 students in the school, the economy is down, and the PTO hasn't done anything to trim expenses in their operating budget to help "find" funds for the playset.

The fundraisers typically make a profit of 25%-30% (of the money spent by donors/buyers). I'd estimate our PTO wants to raise $300 per child this year. I have two kids at the school. At 30% profit, I'd have to spend $2000 on fundraisers for them to meet their goal. Heck, I'm not going to give them $600 (for the two kids) not to mention $2000.

I'll be going over the budget to figure out our share of "reasonable" expenses and sending in a check.

A play set of $30,000 for only 100 kids in the school???? Wow! That is a lot of expect in this economy.

They can't go any cheaper? Does this include being installed?
 
A play set of $30,000 for only 100 kids in the school???? Wow! That is a lot of expect in this economy.

They can't go any cheaper? Does this include being installed?

They've really just started looking. But, given that these aren't frugal folks, I don't doubt that the set they decide on will be $$$$$$.

Now, given, the big playset is the only equipment (other than balls and such) for the kids to play on during recess. But, the current playset's problem is that no one has done or is willing to do the routine maintenance to keep it in good repair.

IMO, they could probably hire someone to completely overhaul the current playset for much less money. But I've learned to butt out of the PTO where I just got the big 'ol stinkeye anytime I disagreed with anyone. I'm definitely NOT a member of that clique.

I don't think purchasing a playset is even a huge deal, but I'd like to know what people are smoking to think that they will be able to raise that kind of EXTRA money every year for 3 or 4 years in a row. In our area, the economic slowdown kinda lagged other areas. Just in the last year have we really been seeing people losing their jobs and/or having houses foreclosed. The PTO has plenty of money in the bank to cover expenses for a year or two, but I doubt they'll be able to raise as much money as they plan on spending (not including the playset), this year.

The folks running things can't understand why they can't get more people involved and why fundraising dollars are down. I'd tell them, but they already don't listen so why bother. :confused3
 
Man, I loathe, hate and despise fundraisers. I hated to have to ask people to buy this stuff and I hated having to sell.

Most of the time I don't even want the stuff. lately I've just written a small check and not ordered from the catalog. I did have one coworker who's sons little league switched over to a 50/50 raffle. this was the best. 5.00 and you get a chance to win a few bucks.
 
This may have been covered but I didn't have the time to read it all.

I HATE the concept of parents selling stuff at work for their children's activities. There isn't a day that goes by that some fellow employee isn't walking in with an order sheet asking us to buy popcorn, Christmas wreaths, candy, magazines, candles, etc. for their kids cub scout pack, boy scouts, skating team, school trip fund and so on.

First off, I have never even met their kids. I may be crazy but shouldn't they be the ones doing the selling? Secondly, no I don't want candles, popcorn, magazines or the like. Thirdly, this is work related? Forth, if I say no that is no reason to get *****y. I have a right not to buy stuff and if you decide to take it personally, well, life must be awful for you.

Stop it. If the kids need to sell something let them get off their video watching butts and get out there and sell it. If you are worried about their safety, by all means, go with them, but they must be involved directly for it to mean anything. Just keep it out of the workplace.

I hear you and I am not :laughing: at you but I do have to laugh. What I found was that the men who came into the office expected everyone to buy something. The men seemed a lot more pushy than the women IMO.

What we finally agreed to do (as a group), was not to bring in any fundraising into the workplace and what others chose to do during their lunch was their business.
 
This may have been covered but I didn't have the time to read it all.

I HATE the concept of parents selling stuff at work for their children's activities. There isn't a day that goes by that some fellow employee isn't walking in with an order sheet asking us to buy popcorn, Christmas wreaths, candy, magazines, candles, etc. for their kids cub scout pack, boy scouts, skating team, school trip fund and so on.

First off, I have never even met their kids. I may be crazy but shouldn't they be the ones doing the selling? Secondly, no I don't want candles, popcorn, magazines or the like. Thirdly, this is work related? Forth, if I say no that is no reason to get *****y. I have a right not to buy stuff and if you decide to take it personally, well, life must be awful for you.

Stop it. If the kids need to sell something let them get off their video watching butts and get out there and sell it. If you are worried about their safety, by all means, go with them, but they must be involved directly for it to mean anything. Just keep it out of the workplace.


There was a post here on the Dis a week or so ago where someone wanted people here to go to her website to buy popcorn for her nephew. My thoughts went something along the same line as you just mentioned - shouldn't your nephew be the one doing the selling? One of my many fundraisers this fall has been Cub Scout popcorn. My son went out on multiple occasions and has racked up $500 in sales. But it was all his own hard work - DH and I both work at home, so no co-workers there to buy anything.

Someone here mentioned just writing a check for the organization. I actually tried that this year with one of DD's good friends. I really wanted to support this girl and her choir because I know she's serious about it. But her teacher told her she could not accept a flat donation. It had to be a purchase! I went ahead and purchased something because I did want to support her. But geez!
 
My youngest DD is disabled and goes to a school run by United Cerebral Palsy. They send home fundraisers a few times each year. I know that they need donations but it's obvious that most of the children that attend the school are not able to go door to door or for that matter, most are non-verbal and can't ask. Of course, this then leaves it up to the parents. I don't work out of the house and where DH works, they are not supposed to bring fundraisers in. That means that I would have to go door to door. If we order, we have to drive to the school to pick it up (It's over 10 miles away) because they won't send it on the bus. That's not going to happen so instead, I send them a check. I know that it's expensive to educate children (especially one with special needs) but I also know that our school district pays over $45,000 per student per year to attend this school. On top of that, they also pay the salary for the 1:1 aid if it's listed in the child's IEP.

When my nieces or nephews ask us to purchase something for a special school trip, I ask them how much they are going to get. Instead of paying $20.00 for a cheesecake that they get $10.00 towards their trip, I give them $20.00 cash to apply to their balance. This way they get twice as much and I'm not paying for the cheesecake.
 
For everyone that suggests to just write a check to the school: Have you actually done this? I ask because when I worked as a teacher's assistant we had a parent that wanted to write a check for $100 insted of participating in a fund raisers. She was told she could not do that. Maybe she was writing it to the PTA and they can't just take donations or maybe she was writing it to the school directly and they can't take donations. :confused3 I don't remember, but she was told she couldn't just write a check.

It always confuses the PTA person at our school, but after the deer in the headlights scene, they manage to deal, and my check gets cashed just fine.

If they say they can't take a donation, I'd ask to see a copy of the policy that states this and why.
 
It always confuses the PTA person at our school, but after the deer in the headlights scene, they manage to deal, and my check gets cashed just fine.

If they say they can't take a donation, I'd ask to see a copy of the policy that states this and why.

Our PTO is incorporated as a charitable organization. We can write them a check for a donation... and even get a receipt for our taxes, if we make sure to ask.

But, the PTO board (and many members) prefer to have fundraising that involves sales and/or parties (auction dinner dance, for instance) than to ask for donations. I haven't quite figured this out as they get to keep a fraction of the money spent... and the fundraisers are very labor intensive.
 
It always confuses the PTA person at our school, but after the deer in the headlights scene, they manage to deal, and my check gets cashed just fine.

If they say they can't take a donation, I'd ask to see a copy of the policy that states this and why.

I wish now she would have asked for the policy on this because it really puzzled me. I can't think of a reason why they couldn't take a donation, but that's what they told her and she ended up not giving anything or doing the fund raiser so I thought that was dumb on the part of the PTA.
 
They've really just started looking. But, given that these aren't frugal folks, I don't doubt that the set they decide on will be $$$$$$.

Now, given, the big playset is the only equipment (other than balls and such) for the kids to play on during recess. But, the current playset's problem is that no one has done or is willing to do the routine maintenance to keep it in good repair.

IMO, they could probably hire someone to completely overhaul the current playset for much less money. But I've learned to butt out of the PTO where I just got the big 'ol stinkeye anytime I disagreed with anyone. I'm definitely NOT a member of that clique.

I don't think purchasing a playset is even a huge deal, but I'd like to know what people are smoking to think that they will be able to raise that kind of EXTRA money every year for 3 or 4 years in a row. In our area, the economic slowdown kinda lagged other areas. Just in the last year have we really been seeing people losing their jobs and/or having houses foreclosed. The PTO has plenty of money in the bank to cover expenses for a year or two, but I doubt they'll be able to raise as much money as they plan on spending (not including the playset), this year.

The folks running things can't understand why they can't get more people involved and why fundraising dollars are down. I'd tell them, but they already don't listen so why bother. :confused3

I know, its like some people are in their own little bubble and refuse to understand whats going on in the rest of the world. I was shocked when dd brought home the $16 pretzel sales thing. I thought, good heavens! Some of the parents have trouble coming up with $16 to buy bread and milk and you want this??? I'm not in our PTA clique either and have also learned to hold my tongue. I don't usually even go to the meetings. Everything is always decided before and the meeting is all about telling everyone what we are and are not going to do; I figure they can send me a note home and save me a whole lot of time.

As for the play ground equipment, that always a big issue at our school. First they argue about buying it, then they argue about putting it up and then they argue about the maintenance of it. Major hassle. The last equipment that was bought, our county supervisor bought it with county funds and now when school is not in session its considered a county playground. Problem solved. ;)
 
DD8 brought home 2 fundraisers in one day. One was "Catalog of Crap" as it is called in my house and that went directly in the garbage!!
The other was the coupon books. My mom had already asked for 2, a friend had asked for one and someone my sister works with said she was interested. All of these people came to us, we didnt ask anyone. My DD gets to go to the pizza party b/c the lady from my sisters work bought 7 books!!!!!!!!!!!!
We will not sell another thing all year!
 
Everywhere my husband has ever worked has had a policy that no solicitations could take place on company property. It is sad that a company has to basicaly put in writing a policy to keep these fundraising crap out of the work place.

There is a reason though, that the parents are doing the selling. Because that is what the "Fundraising Company" tells them to do. In this day and age you can't tell the kids to go door to door. I used to be a top seller of this junk when I was a kid. My mom would drop me off in a subdivision and pick me up an hour later. I had sales like no body's business by the sheer volume of houses I went to. Of course we wouldn't do that these days. The kids are told to only contact people they know, to call friends and relatives and have mom or dad take it to work.


There is really A LOT of push back from parents these days about these fundraisers. I have been involved in trying to find alternative fundraising options for about 15 years now and I have really seen the industry change. 10 years ago the idea of just asking for a donation was unheard of, where as now it is becomeing more the norm. The interesting thing is that for everyone that wants to just write a check, there is someone else that wants to "get something" for their money-- they want some cookie dough or wrapping paper. It is a fine line to balance it. I did also sell a discount card this year, but it is an option that is a really good deal. All the businesses are popular locations near our school that we all frequent, the discounts are nice and can be used for an entire year and we get 60%.

This is the other trend in fundraising--going to the Entertainment books, restaurant cards, discount cards, and other things that people would buy anyway and can really get some use out of. The economy is what it is and organizations are realizing that people aren't going to buy pies and wrapping paper and cookie dough and flower bulbs when they go to Walmart and get the same things for 1/4 the price. Girl Scout cookes have a very unique nitch in our culture so they are always popular but as someone else said, the profit that actually goes to the local troop is very small.

If you have never met some of the "Middlemen (and women)" that market these fundraisers to the organizations you are missing out on a lot of the big picture. The majority of them are so sleazy they make the stereotype of a used car sales man look good! They schmooze and ooze and shake hands and kiss babies make it all sound so easy. They present their crappo prizes as if they are bars of gold and the kids eat it up, as do the organization based people (usually moms).

We are fairly lucky here. The PTA at the Middle School is not a clique--heck they let me in as head of fundraising even after I said I WOULD NOT do selling junk fundraisers. And our district has VERY strict rules about fundraisers and what can and can't be done to involve the kids. I actually can't send anything home directly with the kids and can't involve them in any selling. Everything I do is being sold by the PTA and our volunteers are responsible for everything. It does make things harder but I am not pimping out the kids!

I also take advantage of Passive Fundraising as much as I can. Did you know that EVERY box top is worth 10 cents? I push that as much as I can. Campbell's labels, box tops and some of these other programs can really net a good amount for your school. Our Elementary School was able to get digital cameras for EVERY classroom in the school from a Grocery store receipt program we have locally. Lots of restaurant will do nights where your people come in and you get a percent of the profits.

Subway has a promotion where people buy gift cards and we get a %. No extra cost to them--they get a card, put money on it instead of paying cash and we get part. I just have to convince parents to do it. Target, Office Depot and some grocery stores have programs where they give cash back to the schools. There are so many options out there that just take advantage of what our parents are already doing, but the problem is getting them to participate.


But the truth is that these selling junk fundraisers to work, and as long as people are buying they will continue. Our school (not the PTA) does do the magazine fundraiser. Most of us hate it. But it raises over $20,000 for the school. That money goes a long way towards helping out the teachers and kids so it is hard to argue with them doing it. We just don't participate in any way.
 
Our school does one fundraiser a year. We have a knowledge-a-thon. The teachers from each grade level get together and come up with a list of 100 questions for each grade. People can either donate a flat fee, or donate per question the kid gets right. The kids get 6 weeks to study. T-shirts are donated, ice cream is donated, pizza is donated, one of the local high schools has their students come over to administer the questions to our kids, so the high school kids get community service hours. All the prizes are donated as well. Last year, our school made about $12,000 (school of 550 kids).
 












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