Sports Team Travel Policy questions

Here you go.

What is your point?

At past tournaments they drank, but they were not liable for her child as the child stayed with mom and dad.

I am not seeing the "higher standard" you are preaching, even with your subsequent posts.

Which part of liability is confusing you?

I would presume that OP signs a liability waiver for the ENTIRE weekend.

ETA: If you read those posts, she is very clear of her intents with her opinion. You are just being obtuse and unwilling to acknowledge that. Shall I pull the statements out of those posts you quoted that CLEARLY state her concerns are with liability and these people being in charge of her kid for the entire weekend acting as in loco parentis?
 
Andrew Luck who will probably win the Heisman trophy this year played soccer until high school when he switched to football. Soccer training provides great support for many sports.

Really I get the thing about keeping the parents away. How do you know that the parent of any student is not a horrible sex offender? Don't you want other random parents (not vetted at all) kept away from your child?
 
Absolutely!! Heck I'll go you one better, how about a totally different country across the ocean?

My DD went to Italy for 3 weeks with her school orchestra. In Italy you have wine! All the teachers had wine almost every if not every night. So there you go I[, OK with a teacher drinking and heaven forbid in those Italian hotels there were "strangers" drinking and I didn't have one moment of problem with it.

As far as the adults drinking someone said they could set a good example and not drink for a night, WELL how about they set an even better more realistic example and show that adults can enjoy a beer or 2 or a glass of wine and not drink excessively or get drunk? That to m,e is a better example.

Not so sure that drinking a couple of beers/wine is a "better example" for the kids, but as I always say, to each their own.....

My oldest son just graduated in June. He played three sports a year for most of the 12 years he was in school. I would say that 99% of the time, there was drinking at the overnight tournaments, team parties etc. My son had PLENTY of the "better examples" that you write of, for me giving the other example of not drinking and still having a good time is just as important.

I still agree with the OP, if coaches are in charge and don't want parents around, they should give up a night or two of drinking. I think it sets a nice example..........thats just me though!!!!
 
So while the parents are watching the kids it is okay for the parents to drink. If the manager and coaches are watching the kids it is a bad thing if the manager or coaches have a drink? What part of higher standard doesn't apply? While liability isn't a challenge for me, why would the manager and coaches having a drink while being held responsible for the players be an issue? If it was okay when the parents were responsible for the kids, why should the manager and coaches be held to a different standard? I don't see how it can be acceptable if the parents do it while they are responsible for the kids yet it is wrong for the manager and coaches under the same scenario? We don't know how many players are on the team, how many chaperones are involved, how many of those chaperones might have a drink, how many parents shared drinks with the coaches and manager. Too many unknowns to draw the conclusion that everybody is going to get drunk and go molest 13 y.o. female athletes. As for staying in hotels without bars, people might bring alcohol to the hotel. Are posters advocating that anyone who has a drink is going to become a sexual predator? The risk is far higher for an attack to come from a relative or someone very familiar to the family.
 

Sorry if I missed something...I didn't read a few pages here...

But I'm wondering: if the parents want to stay with the child, couldn't they bring the child to the town where the event is and stay in a different hotel, and then deliver the child to the sporting event in the morning?

At our school, if you ride the team bus, you stay with the team and coaches. But you could arrive as a family the next day and still be allowed to participate.

Is that an option?
 
So while the parents are watching the kids it is okay for the parents to drink. If the manager and coaches are watching the kids it is a bad thing if the manager or coaches have a drink? What part of higher standard doesn't apply? While liability isn't a challenge for me, why would the manager and coaches having a drink while being held responsible for the players be an issue? If it was okay when the parents were responsible for the kids, why should the manager and coaches be held to a different standard? I don't see how it can be acceptable if the parents do it while they are responsible for the kids yet it is wrong for the manager and coaches under the same scenario? We don't know how many players are on the team, how many chaperones are involved, how many of those chaperones might have a drink, how many parents shared drinks with the coaches and manager. Too many unknowns to draw the conclusion that everybody is going to get drunk and go molest 13 y.o. female athletes. As for staying in hotels without bars, people might bring alcohol to the hotel. Are posters advocating that anyone who has a drink is going to become a sexual predator? The risk is far higher for an attack to come from a relative or someone very familiar to the family.

Oh good grief....

When someone takes official care of your child in a coaching or teaching capacity, we often sign a liability waiver that limits their liability. The problem is that when we consume alcohol when we have the parents sign such a waiver, we then increase our liability because we are not necessarily of sound mind and body. So if I am having a beer in the bar and something happens to one of the players...OOPSIE, MY BAD doesn't cut it.

Has nothing to do with higher standards or inebriation and everything to do with making sure you are of sound mind and body the entire time you have "custody" of that minor.

OP wasn't calling for the hotel to close their bar and banning all guests of the hotel (who are NOT responsible for her child) to not consume alcohol during their stay.

You are making quite the leap.
 
OP was concerned that other guests of the hotel could be drinking and possibly going after players. Not a leap at all.
 
I still agree with the OP, if coaches are in charge and don't want parents around, they should give up a night or two of drinking. I think it sets a nice example..........thats just me though!!!!
I do agree with that. BUT, we don't know the coach's WILL drink. Because they drank during past tournaments (when the parents were "responsible" for the kids) does NOT mean they will drink during this tournament (when THEY are responsible). OP is playing "what if" games and is upset the new "rules" don't expressly forbid coaches from drinking. Of course, even if the rules said "no drinking", that doesn't mean there won't be drinking.
 
OP was concerned that other guests of the hotel could be drinking and possibly going after players. Not a leap at all.

NOPE---she didn't say that at all in ANY of the posts you quoted. The "adults" she reference in the last quote is in regards to those part of the team around her drinking.

The access she speaks about is that other adults will stay in the hotel but her coach is banning the parents.

You are making a leap because you are blending statements she is making as one statement instead of separate issues entirely.
 
NOPE---she didn't say that at all in ANY of the posts you quoted. The "adults" she reference in the last quote is in regards to those part of the team around her drinking.

The access she speaks about is that other adults will stay in the hotel but her coach is banning the parents.

You are making a leap because you are blending statements she is making as one statement instead of separate issues entirely.

I understand and offer that we don't see this thing the same way. OP did indeed express concern about the room doors being open and that guests not associated with the team being near. Call me crazy if you want, but I didn't leap anywhere. Gonna go out on a limb here and speculate that the manager, coaches, trainers, and any chaperones are required to pass background checks. OP has been spewing forth "what ifs" throughout the thread and admits to thinking of things others would not, due to the nature of her job. The MSA has a website with lots of info, board of direector listing and contact information to MSA. OP would be best served addressing her inquiries to the MSA instead of attempting to defend her position here on the DIS. I looked at the website and the travel policy was not published on any link that I could find. If the OP is so concerned about her child being molested by representatives of MSA, she should contact MSA and get the policy straight from the MSA office.
 
I can understand that at the special olympics... they are creating an "Athletes village". The question is can anyone out side of the event book rooms at the same hotel? If the answer is yes then there is no reason for a parent to not be able to book a room also...

Depends on where the "village" is. Sometimes it's a college campus, where there are no rooms to "book". If it's a hotel, then there are always rooms for the public as well (we rarely fill an entire hotel). If it IS in a hotel, we do not allow parents to book rooms there...if it is discovered that a parent has violated this, the athlete can be removed from the team and sent home at the parents expense.
 
NOPE---she didn't say that at all in ANY of the posts you quoted. The "adults" she reference in the last quote is in regards to those part of the team around her drinking.

The access she speaks about is that other adults will stay in the hotel but her coach is banning the parents.

You are making a leap because you are blending statements she is making as one statement instead of separate issues entirely.

Do you really need all of the posts requoted? There are many in this thread, I posted several as an example.
 
OP wasn't calling for the hotel to close their bar and banning all guests of the hotel (who are NOT responsible for her child) to not consume alcohol during their stay.

You are making quite the leap.

Actually I think they did say they would like the team to stay in a hotel without a bar....
 
Do you really need all of the posts requoted? There are many in this thread, I posted several as an example.

Nope--we just won't agree.

I have read the same posts and have not drawn the same conclusion. I see two separate issues...

Drinking coaches/chaperones....

Other strangers (whom coaches do not control) can stay there, but she can't....
 
It's not a club/team policy. It's the organization that governs the sport for the entire province.

Up until now each parent took their own kid to the tournaments and had their own hotel room. Now that has changed. The manager says that parents are not happy with it and they are trying to figure out how to conform to the new rules.

Like somebody said this isn't like an athlete's village where there is stringent security everywhere. It is a publicly accessed hotel.

OMG Hannathy, you are so hard of understanding. I'm not worried about some of the other girls wanting to go giggle at boys. I'm not worried about my DD sneaking out at night or doing anything sneaky. I don't keep my kids in a bubble but I do not just sit back and never ask questions and assume that somebody else has the best interest of my kids in mind. I do admit to thinking of situations that most others never ever think of only because I deal with them every day at work and know first hand how quick and easy these things happen.

I do not think it is a great idea to have four 13 y/o girls in a room with no chaperone in the room in a hotel that is publically accessed and people in the hotel are consuming alcohol and there are teams of older teenaged boys (up to 18 y/o) there. No chaperone can say that can keep watch over these kids 24 hours a day.

The last paragraph states how the hotel can be unsafe. Something about people in the hotel consuming alcohol.
 
So, why can't parents be with their athletes? I feel like I missed something :goodvibes.

And, I agree with OP, that it would be rough to change sports at 13. Its just not that simple for lots of kids - although I guess it depends on the child's goals for that sport.
 
Not so sure that drinking a couple of beers/wine is a "better example" for the kids, but as I always say, to each their own.....

My oldest son just graduated in June. He played three sports a year for most of the 12 years he was in school. I would say that 99% of the time, there was drinking at the overnight tournaments, team parties etc. My son had PLENTY of the "better examples" that you write of, for me giving the other example of not drinking and still having a good time is just as important.

I still agree with the OP, if coaches are in charge and don't want parents around, they should give up a night or two of drinking. I think it sets a nice example..........thats just me though!!!!
I think a lot of people are missing, this isn't a coach decision, it's an association decision. It doesn't matter what individual coaches or managers prefer; this is a province-wide policy for soccer meets.
 
To me it sounds like if parents are going on the trip they have to provide their own accomidations, and the child must stay with the team, not the parents. I would take it as you can book the same hotel, but you have to book it under your name, you cannot get the discount or have the room linked to the team. Makes sense to me.
 
There does seem to be a weird fixation on that people may consume alcohol - in addition to general paranoia.

Your child is, as someone sortof alluded to, in more danger from the parents and coaches on YOUR team than strangers, as any child is far, far more likely to be abused by someone known to them than a stranger.

As well, yeah, the 'peg is the hot crime bed of Canada but... it's Canada. It's like being the meanest Mouseketeer. In addition to that crime has significantly fallen in Winnipeg, afaik, it's not exactly Detroit. Which isn't to say bad things don't happen but given how the explanations of what may happen range all over the place - boy-crazy girls in the same room may do something to attract boys who will then, I dunno, go nutso and rape a room full of girls? Random boys will go nuts, bust into the room and attack a room full of girls. Adults roaming the hotel will bust into a room... there may be drinking going on among coaches, thus... I dunno what. There may be drinking going on among parents, thus, I dunno what...

And the OP apparently won't feel safe unless there's an adult (which, again, known adult more dangerous than strange adult) sleeping in the same room with a bunch of teenaged girls to ... protect them from bands of maurauding boy sports teams on raping and pillaging rampages? Or people who had a couple of beers. It just reads a wee bit paranoid and irrational.

Agree that if it's the association rule change it likely happened for a good reason and if there are parents who can't deal with teenagers spending a night away from them, team sports may not be the way to go.
 
To me it sounds like if parents are going on the trip they have to provide their own accomidations, and the child must stay with the team, not the parents. I would take it as you can book the same hotel, but you have to book it under your name, you cannot get the discount or have the room linked to the team. Makes sense to me.

If I wasn't comfortable this is what I would do.

I must say though none of my DD's sports teams have this rule but my kids are younger. We make our kids tournaments family time and usually try to bring the whole family along if we can.

Also back when I was in 8th grade I went on a plane from MA to CA for a week to play in a tournament. My parents did not come with me. I went with my team, the coaches and a couple of parent chaperones. I had a blast and is a fond memory. It was only my 2nd time on a plane. Nothing happened but I can understand why parents would be concerned.

That same year we also left the state for stay-overs a few other times (driving distance) and again my parents did not accompany me. Nor could they have afforded too all the time.
 













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