Soda and Fruit Juices Should be Banned

[xipotec]

Yes, because medical science isn't settled science and there is no "one right way" that is effective and well-tolerated every patient. The idea of denying coverage based on how cooperative a patient is with treatment reduces patients to a set of numbers, erases quality of life issues, and takes individual preference/comfort entirely out of the equation. If insurers can deny coverage based on medication refusal, we create a situation where one has to accept whatever side effects come with whatever the doctor has prescribed (and the insurer has approved). So your blood pressure might be normal, but you experience such dizziness/vertigo that you can't function, or you cholesterol might come down while you experience near-constant muscle pain/weakness, or your mental health might be more stable at the expense of large weight gain or sexual dysfunction. People shouldn't be forced to accept those kinds of trade-offs for the sake of insurers' profit motives.

I agree , but that is what is coming. They afe laying down the groundwork.

 

[fly girl]

More than a few times I cajoled my mother into buying me a cereal based on the free toy inside. About half of those times I never ate more than one bowl of the stuff.

Oh, the toy definitely factored into the cereal selection. I did like most of the kinds we bought though - I LOVE cereal. There were a few new ones that went uneaten, but we would try them.

I used to love getting C-3PO's because of the paper mask on the back - and you could see which one it was. I'd search every box for that Darth Vader mask, which was, of course, the hardest to find.

Back in the day, my dad (he did the grocery shopping) would leave me in cereal aisle as a little kid so I could carefully peruse over all of the boxes and carefully make a wise decision based on the free prize inside.

9 out of 10 times he would be in the frozen food aisle (the last aisle in the grocery store, cereal was aisle 3) by the time I finished.

Man, I miss the 70's and early 80's. Back when your parents just ditched you in the aisle and let you take your sweet time picking out what box of sugary crap you were going to consume before heading to school to dodge the chalkboard eraser your teacher would throw at some unsuspecting kid who fell asleep. Good times ...

 

[Mysterian]

Married men live longer then single men. Should we force all men to get married? This is getting a bit ridiculous.

I wonder if those are mostly divorced single men, or never-married single men?

Married men have to split the box of Ho-Ho's with the wife and kids, while single men end up eating the whole box themselves. Therefore, married men ingest less junk food.

Now if the married man divorces:
1. The emotional blow of the divorce takes a detrimental effect on his immune system, which affects his life span.
2. Now single, he eats whatever he wants, and what he wants is more junk food, because he eats his emotions. With a poor diet and no partner to stuff carrots in his mouth, he is now even more likely to suffer a decline in health.
3. No more time spent kissing means more time spent eating. His constant Slim Jim breath ensures he's single even further, and the vicious cycle continues.
4. Once a kernel of popcorn gets stuck in his throat, his wife is not there anymore to administer the Heimlich maneuver.

 

[Mysterian]

If you all want to really cut out all the bad stuff, like FOOD AND WATER, then you might want to look into the Breatharianism diet.

 

[Dan Murphy]

If you all want to really cut out all the bad stuff, like FOOD AND WATER, then you might want to look into the Breatharianism diet.

I find it stunning in the amount of pure crap that is on the Internet. Amazing. And people sadly do buy into it.

 

[RamblingMad]

A more interesting question is, should insurance companies be expected to pay for treatments needed as a direct result of horrible diets ?

The reality is that folks with poor diets are ultimately going to end up on a lot of medications that they might not be able to afford in their senior years. The alternative is still a lot of drugs but the obesity paradox, where their bodies react by putting on a lot of weight. So they shouldn't expect to have very active senior years. But they'll have their freedom of choice to do this to themselves.

Insurance companies are going to keep getting smarter. Some are already putting devices in vehicles to monitor driving habits. But normal distributions are still going to be used. They want to look at what's true for most people, not weird outliers. If normal is bad, then everyone is going to end up paying more for insurance assuming they have it at all.

What folks seem to have trouble with is that science changes. New studies are done and reviewed and stuff changes. But some stuff pretty much sticks.

 

[TLSnell1981]

What has been touted as being bad for us in the past.

Ban eggs. Ban red meat. Ban carbohydrates. Ban sugar. Ban high fructose corn syrup. Ban salt. Ban chicken, pork, and seafood along with the beef. Ban bacon. Ban potatoes.

For everything that we eat, at some point it was told it was bad for us. We'd all be eating the chemical burgers if we ban everything said to be bad and the chemical foods are worse than any of it.

My great grandfather had bacon, eggs, biscuits and gravy every day of his adult life. Dinner mostly consisted of what he could, hunt, trap, raise or grow. Yes he had a heart attack and died....age 96. He was installing a window unit when it happened. It was the first and last time he was in a hospital.

There is much more involved than what we eat. Genetics and lifestyle are significant. Most of my family lived to a ripe old age.

 

[Colleen27]

I agree , but that is what is coming. They afe laying down the groundwork.

I have no doubt they are, just as they're laying the groundwork to start using genetic profiles against customers. I hope their greed hastens the demise of what has become a predatory and unsustainable industry.

My great grandfather had bacon, eggs, biscuits and gravy every day of his adult life. Dinner mostly consisted of what he could, hunt, trap, raise or grow. Yes he had a heart attack and died....age 96. He was installing a window unit when it happened. It was the first and last time he was in a hospital.

There is much more involved than what we eat. Genetics and lifestyle are significant. Most of my family lived to a ripe old age.

Yeah, I might feel differently if we really understood aging and disease thoroughly. But we don't. My grandmother ate better than anyone else in the family, as the family gardener and cook and canner, but she had health problems we think of as lifestyle-caused going back to middle age - gestational diabetes that came back a decade later as type 2, a stroke in her mid-60s, high cholesterol and blood pressure, etc. She lived to 90 but was on daily meds for at least half those years, with the number of medications increasing sharply after 65, and her quality of life was practically non-existent for her last decade. My grandfather? I never saw the man eat a vegetable, he was a former smoker and recovering alcoholic and close to 300lbs. He was still changing his own oil and cleaning his own gutters up until the last 3 months before his death. He didn't live quite as long as my grandmother, but he made it to his mid-80s with no daily meds and a high quality of life. Because that comes down to so much more than diet. It also depends on genetics, activity level, stress levels, environmental factors, and on and on.

 

[prairie_girl]

The reality is that folks with poor diets are ultimately going to end up on a lot of medications that they might not be able to afford in their senior years. The alternative is still a lot of drugs but the obesity paradox, where their bodies react by putting on a lot of weight. So they shouldn't expect to have very active senior years. But they'll have their freedom of choice to do this to themselves.

Insurance companies are going to keep getting smarter. Some are already putting devices in vehicles to monitor driving habits. But normal distributions are still going to be used. They want to look at what's true for most people, not weird outliers. If normal is bad, then everyone is going to end up paying more for insurance assuming they have it at all.

What folks seem to have trouble with is that science changes. New studies are done and reviewed and stuff changes. But some stuff pretty much sticks.

You do know that body size has nothing to do with health, right?

 

[RamblingMad]

You do know that body size has nothing to do with health, right?

Did you miss the bit about the obesity paradox? This is under review. Lots of studies coming out on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_paradox

You can look it up for yourself. Lots of studies on it.

 

[Skywalker]

I wanna go back to the days when cereal manufacturers proudly shouted “SUGAR!!!” In their advertising and packaging.

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Eeek!! How un-PC is this one??!!!
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I never heard of this cereal but I want that Glow-in-the-Dark Chihuahua.

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Despite the changes in packaging, almost all cereals, including plain corn flakes, have just as much sugar as they always did. They have to in order to be palatable.

So much for supermarkets not selling crap back then.

"Can't get enough of that Sugar Crisp" lol... also loved the Sugar Corn Pops guy he seemed so cool.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

4. Once a kernel of popcorn gets stuck in his throat, his wife is not there anymore to administer the Heimlich maneuver.

5. He googles what to do, finds his way to the DIS, and spends the rest of his days arguing inane hypotheticals with the rest of us.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/popcorn-kernel-stuck-in-my-throat-update-its-gone-p-8.2523536/

 

[Bianca and Bernard]

That's how grocery stores were when I was a kid. But they quickly changed in the 80s.

That's nonsense. There were processed foods in stores when I was a kid in the 70s. My siblings in the 60s grew up with Tang and Spam and Swanson TV dinners all over the place.

No idea. My local grocery stores were mainly meat and produce. The processed food aisles weren't a big thing until around the mid-80s by me. Sure, there was some processed food. But it didn't really take off by until about 85. The big processed food that folks ate a lot of back then was cereal. And then the TV dinner became a thing.

My grandma cooked a lot of good food. It wasn't until she passed away that we ate more junk food.

Again, nonsense. There were processed foods around in the 50s. In fact, they were made and marketed towards housewives back then.

Soda isn't liquor or drugs. I doubt we'll have underground soda factories. They will never get banned because of the lobbying dollars of Coke and Pepsi. The reality is that we'll have a whole lot of people dying or living out miserable lives in their senior years. I would reasonably expect that insulin costs will continue to surge. It's going to be interesting when people are choosing between eating and paying for insulin. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't already happening.

Do you not read a newspaper or watch a news program? People have been having to choose between medications and food for decades; especially the elderly on Social Security, and the lower income families. Insulin is the drug that politcal people want to cap at $35, right now.

 

[Sinder]

Insurance company’s have to pay for:
Drinkers
Smokers
Drug users
Runners
Hikers
Drivers
Walker. That have been hit by drinkers, smokers and drug users that hit them with a car

You forgot Breathers.

 

[Robbie Cottam]

You forgot Breathers.

It’s was not an all inclusive list
but we could add breathers

 

[Marrila]

It’s was not an all inclusive list
but we could add breathers

Bikers and rental scooter people.
The scooter folks in particular are regulars at our ER. New revenue stream.

 

[RamblingMad]

That's nonsense. There were processed foods in stores when I was a kid in the 70s. My siblings in the 60s grew up with Tang and Spam and Swanson TV dinners all over the place.

Again, nonsense. There were processed foods around in the 50s. In fact, they were made and marketed towards housewives back then.

Do you not read a newspaper or watch a news program? People have been having to choose between medications and food for decades; especially the elderly on Social Security, and the lower income families. Insulin is the drug that politcal people want to cap at $35, right now.

Picking out a handful of items and saying that food was processed back then isn't really an argument. It's like finding some outliers and saying that's the norm.

What percentage of groceries sold in the 70s were processed versus today? That's the metric I'm talking about.

 

[Mysterian]

I find it stunning in the amount of pure crap that is on the Internet. Amazing. And people sadly do buy into it.

Actually that Breatharianism movement started before the internet. Or, if you thought that the movement was only a joke, it sadly is not.

The Taconarian movement, however, was started by myself, and our numbers are growing.

 

[dez1978]

That's the problem. Sugar isn't good in small amounts. Our colons can only handle 6g a day.

Here's how much is in a can of Coke:

https://www.coca-colacompany.com/faqs/how-much-sugar-is-in-coca-cola

No idea. My local grocery stores were mainly meat and produce. The processed food aisles weren't a big thing until around the mid-80s by me. Sure, there was some processed food. But it didn't really take off by until about 85. The big processed food that folks ate a lot of back then was cereal. And then the TV dinner became a thing.

My grandma cooked a lot of good food. It wasn't until she passed away that we ate more junk food.

So are we also banning fruit too? Because that is full of sugar. So are some vegtables. And carbs are broken down into sugars. So what exactly should people eat.

Also TV dinners have been a thing since the 50's. As were cereals.
"As you can see, early cereals were developed and consumed as health food. That all changed in 1939 when the first sweetened cereal, Ranger Joe Popped Wheat Honnies, debuted on grocery store shelves. From that point forward, sweetened cereals grew in popularity, eventually becoming the norm. Radio and television advertisements propelled breakfast cereals into popularity. Product placement in childrens television became the popular marketing choice for cereal companies. Cartoon characters didnt just appear on the boxproducers worked cereal brands into their stories, and characters frequently gorged themselves on sugary cereals in what amounted to 30-minute infomercials. This changed in 1969, when the FCC ruled that characters in childrens shows must not appear in commercial messages during the show itself. By then, it was too late children had become the target audience of choice for cereal brands. Advertising practices changed, but the goal was the same, and kids were completely hooked on cereal. The rest is Saturday morning cartoon history."

I'm not sure why you think none of this happened until the 80s.

Also banning things worked really well for alcohol right?

 

[BrianL]

The Taconarian movement, however, was started by myself, and our numbers are growing.

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