Significant Updates Coming to FastPass+ April 10th

[jade1]

This is what I would love to know as well!

Same

Otherwise EPCOT will likely become our "4th" on an evening where we did initial 3 at DHS for example.

 

[KatieKwilts]

My first day is going to be Sunday, April 10th. I am going to be interested to read more details about this and what I can and cannot do between now and then.

My first day too. I'm just praying there are no glitches that shut down the whole system!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I'm so excited for this and I don't even go until Sep 2017! We have park hoppers so this def.helps with that flexibility. Also I know my in-laws may not want to follow our plans to a T so I like the idea of being able to remove them from FP+ selections rather than trying to find 3 that they want to go on with us and making sure they get to where we are on time to utilize those FP+s..gives them more flexibility on that.

 

[Tia1977]

I've read the articles and this thread, but I'm slow (lol) so forgive the question if it's rather lame and I should've already caught on better -
#1 So, in a non tiered park like say AK (where my family typically only uses 2 pre-booked FP's anyway, and the 3rd as a throw away). If I pre-book EE, KS, and a throw away. Then, go back in to cancel the throw away, would I be allowed to choose EE again for a diff time slot? Or, can you still not have the same ride pre-booked twice within your initial 3?
#2 I'm still confused on whether your initial 3 pre-booked selections can be spread out across different parks? Even if by choosing 3 in the same park, then going back in to cancel 2 and replace with selections at another park. Or, are you only allowed to start choosing FP selections at a different park same day?

 

[hiroMYhero]

Or, can you still not have the same ride pre-booked twice within your initial 3?

Correct, you can only have a selection of up to 3 different rides when pre-booking.

#2 I'm still confused on whether your initial 3 pre-booked selections can be spread out across different parks?

Initial 3 is one park only. After using, canceling, or allowing to expire, then you can book an additional (1) FP for any park.

 

[Mikie]

Correct, you can only have a selection of up to 3 different rides when pre-booking.


Initial 3 is one park only. After using, canceling, or allowing to expire, then you can book an additional (1) FP for any park.

I think she's asking if you only pre-book 2, or if you book 3 and cancel the last one, can your first "day-of bonus FP" be a duplicate of your prebooked ride, or do you still have to do 3 *different* attractions before you can duplicate? (Maybe that's not what she meant, but now I'm curious for myself anyway!)

 

[hiroMYhero]

I think she's asking if you only pre-book 2, or if you book 3 and cancel the last one, can your first "day-of bonus FP" be a duplicate of your prebooked ride, or do you still have to do 3 *different* attractions before you can duplicate? (Maybe that's not what she meant, but now I'm curious for myself anyway!)

PP did ask about pre-booking, canceling and adding back on another to have two of the same pre-booked.

You can get any ride with the additional (1) FP. In theory, a person can book only 1 FP beginning April 10 and then continually get the same ride over and over with their continuous one additional FP via the app.

 

[prettypatchesmsu]

This is going to be interesting to see this play out. I'm dying to read the reports of how to work this. The possiblities are intriguing!!!

 

[hiroMYhero]

This is going to be interesting to see this play out. I'm dying to read the reports of how to work this. The possiblities are intriguing!!!

I hope the guests, who are going into MDE (website) and Canceling 2 of their FPs so they only enter with 1 FP on April 10th, will report back on their "super user" findings.

It will be interesting to see how many Tier 1 rides users had in Epcot and DHS.

 

[Mikie]

I hope the guests, who are going into MDE (website) and Canceling 2 of their FPs so they only enter with 1 FP on April 10th, will report back on their "super user" findings.

It will be interesting to see how many Tier 1 rides users had in Epcot and DHS.

This will be so interesting to watch, but i really dont understand it from Disney's perspective. Guests enhancement = good business, sure, but if MM+ is all about smoothing crowd distribution, i don't understand how basically returning to legacy FP rules but with a pre-book and digital component accomplishes that. An improvement for guests for sure, though!

 

[hiroMYhero]

This will be so interesting to watch, but i really dont understand it from Disney's perspective. Guests enhancement = good business, sure, but if MM+ is all about smoothing crowd distribution, i don't understand how basically returning to legacy FP rules but with a pre-book and digital component accomplishes that. An improvement for guests for sure, though!

I really believe it is Disney's way of saying FP+, as originally designed, didn't work. This is how they save face rather than do away with the FP+ component of MM+.

 

[Mikie]

I really believe it is Disney's way of saying FP+, as originally designed, didn't work. This is how they save face rather than do away with the FP+ component of MM+.

From their perspective, why would you say it didn't work? Didn't distribute crowds? Didn't "level the playing field"? Or just too many complaints & bad press? (Not trying to quiz you and no sarcasm, just trying, and failing, to get into Disney's head)

 

[hiroMYhero]

For one, the massive loophole because the "in park" kiosk system is not connected to actual ticket usage to enter a park. The Attractions CMs who became FP iPad CMs knew of the RFID loophole at the time they were trained.

Guest complaints from inadvertently canceling FPs when booking, wifi system outages in the parks, guests without smartphones, MB readers not always working, extra personnel to man FP entrances for attractions that never required FPs (shows, parades, fireworks), etc. Those immediate real-time negative experiences were well-known and led to immediate Guest Recovery at Guest Relations. Not to mention the original MM+ team all lost their jobs with Disney.

Other than that, it is just my opinion as to why these guest-friendly changes are being put into place.

 

[Mikie]

Lol. . .other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I really believe it is Disney's way of saying FP+, as originally designed, didn't work. This is how they save face rather than do away with the FP+ component of MM+.

I'd have to agree with you on this. I haven't been since 2011 so I'm not familiar with FP+ in real life workings but from all the bad reviews I have seen can attest to how many people didn't see if as a guest enhancer but rather a guest detractor. I would also like to see ideally the system itself become a tad easier. By the sheer number of FP+ questions asked on the DIS board and the false information I see on review sites it's clear the system can be confusing. I'm not saying go back to the old days but at least back then it was...go to a kiosk by the actual attraction and take a ticket if available..there wasn't too much mindpower needed in that. Nowadays I have to know the ins and outs of the app/website and the understanding with how the system is designed to work to really utilize it. Hopefully this means they will continuously tweak the program in order to find the best sweet spot they can over time.

 

[Tia1977]

Sorry for another question! I think I'm in danger of obsession (lol), but it's due to how much I love this!!! Bc I love PH, and certain rides that we ride over again.
Let's say I only make 1 FP during my 60 day window for a park on X day. Let's say for a return window of 10-11a. Then X day arrives:
#1 Since same day, would I have to wait until after my return window to secure another FP for that same ride?
#2 If I'm not going to choose anymore SDFP's for that park, do I have to wait until after my 10-11a return window to choose a FP for the park I'm going to later that afternoon?
#3 Just in case I don't have to wait until after my return window for either above, would there be any reason to think I couldn't go ahead and make that SDFP selection when I'm partying at MK the night before after 12a?

Sorry again!!! I'm assuming both are only after return window. But, the 4 yr old in me had to ask since wheels turning...

 

[hiroMYhero]

Sorry for another question! I think I'm in danger of obsession (lol), but it's due to how much I love this!!! Bc I love PH, and certain rides that we ride over again.
Let's say I only make 1 FP during my 60 day window for a park on X day. Let's say for a return window of 10-11a. Then X day arrives:
#1 Since same day, would I have to wait until after my return window to secure another FP for that same ride?
#2 If I'm not going to choose anymore SDFP's for that park, do I have to wait until after my 10-11a return window to choose a FP for the park I'm going to later that afternoon?
#3 Just in case I don't have to wait until after my return window for either above, would there be any reason to think I couldn't go ahead and make that SDFP selection when I'm partying at MK the night before after 12a?

Sorry again!!! I'm assuming both are only after return window. But, the 4 yr old in me had to ask since wheels turning...

1. If you have entered a park with only one FP, you can book another FP after you have completed that ride. That is in effect now.
2. Beginning Sunday, a guest can book an additional FP at any park after they have used or canceled their pre-booked FP(s).
3. No one knows what the new system allows if you've only booked 1 FP and then decide to add on more. And, even if the system allows you to add on more, you can't have a duplicate ride. In effect now is a total of 3 different rides using pre-booked FPs.

 

[DisDadDVC]

For one, the massive loophole because the "in park" kiosk system is not connected to actual ticket usage to enter a park. The Attractions CMs who became FP iPad CMs knew of the RFID loophole at the time they were trained.

Guest complaints from inadvertently canceling FPs when booking, wifi system outages in the parks, guests without smartphones, MB readers not always working, extra personnel to man FP entrances for attractions that never required FPs (shows, parades, fireworks), etc. Those immediate real-time negative experiences were well-known and led to immediate Guest Recovery at Guest Relations. Not to mention the original MM+ team all lost their jobs with Disney.

Other than that, it is just my opinion as to why these guest-friendly changes are being put into place.

I wonder if this is the death of SDFP?

 

[hiroMYhero]

I wonder if this is the death of SDFP?

The kiosks still function independently of MDE. They have to because guests can enter the park with a valid ticket and they don't need an MDE account. The kiosk then just searches for any linked FP using the RFID.

If the "in park" FP system does get connected to actual ticket usage with the new updates, then there goes the SDFP/RFID loophole.

 

[emonade8]

I wonder if this is the death of SDFP?

If the "in park" FP system does get connected to actual ticket usage with the new updates, then there goes the SDFP/RFID loophole.

This is exactly what I've been wondering. I'm eager to hear reports from people using the system on Sunday.