Should I make my son go?

It's really hard to say from a one paragraph post just how he is and whether he is justified or just difficult.

It's not a personality flaw to dislike Disney.

Again, the specifics of the "OP" may not be what people respond to this deep into a thread. People begin to respond to the mood and sentiment of the thread as a whole. I am pretty sure the person you are responding to wasn't pretending to know the OP's child or that child's motivations. I took it to mean that this person was saying in general that he/she is glad to have grown up with a positive attitude about family vacations, whether or not they were his/her "first choice destinations."
 
I disagree that a child should "share" in the responsibility in babysitting a child that they did not have. If you need a time to time sitter(once or twice a month)...sure, but to bring someone along on a vacation they have no desire in going on to share the responsibility, this is unfair. I had a friend who had to share in the responsibility of watching her little sister and she still resents it to this day and always says how she will never have her kids babysit her other children unless it is once and a while.

I guess just... wow. As for your friend, sounds like she was either over used in this capacity or a brat.
 
When I was a kid...all the way up to(and including college)...I had to go on every family vacation and where we went was pretty much decided by Mom and Dad. "Canada...seriously? Yellowstone Park...how boring!" Looking back they are cherished memories. Priceless. Unfortunately...Disney was a rare destination. I'd been to WDW twice and Disneyland once. I was thankful, though. Most of my friends hadn't been even once.
 

Again, the specifics of the "OP" may not be what people respond to this deep into a thread. People begin to respond to the mood and sentiment of the thread as a whole. I am pretty sure the person you are responding to wasn't pretending to know the OP's child or that child's motivations. I took it to mean that this person was saying in general that he/she is glad to have grown up with a positive attitude about family vacations, whether or not they were his/her "first choice destinations."

Yes, I'm aware of how forums work, thank you.
 
Sibling time is not encompassed in school time. School time, should be school time regardless of home, public, or private schooling. School time is a child's job. It's their work day. Forty hours a week, plus additional work on their own, is not time spent as a family.
Respectfully, 40 hours a week, plus extra on top of that, is normal for a traditional student, but not usually for a homeschooled child. Furthermore, many homeschooled children, in general, spend the majority of their "school time" as family time, as they are typically being taught by their parent(s) alongside their siblings. For as many homeschooled children who are taught in a traditional-type setting at home, there are just as many (if not more) who are being educated in a non-traditional style. You're making a huge assumption about the OP's homeschooling regimen, unless I missed something as I read through this thread.

In response to the OP...

DH and I are very much the decision-makers in our family. We work very hard to provide a comfortable life for our family, and we are the ones who decide how our money and time is spent. With that said, we have learned through the years that compromise works very well in life - not just with the family, but in real-life situations outside of the family. Life, in general, is not black-and-white - it is comprised of many shades of gray, requiring a certain degree of flexibility to achieve the desired results. In a situation such as yours, I really think that compromise is essential. Contrary to a seemingly popular belief, compromising and "giving up authority" are not one in the same.

As with many families, the older siblings tend to have some responsibilities in helping with younger ones. I think that's very normal and very healthy. I also think it's really important that the older siblings are given time to themselves, without having to be responsible for their younger family members - they are children, not parents, and they should not have to play the role of another parent in a family. (I'm not saying that is what happens in your family - just making a statement.)

Giving a teenager a little autonomy helps to build good decision-making skills and increases self-confidence, while allowing them to feel that their thoughts, feelings and opinions are valued. By giving your child a choice - and it should be options that you are ok with - you are giving your child the opportunity to think for himself, make choices for himself, and live with the natural consequences of those choices. If he chooses to stay with his grandparents, he could end up having a wonderful experience with important family members. He could also end up regretting making that choice, and that's an important life-lesson, too! Since you asked... DH and I would give our 14 y/o a choice to either go on the trip with a good attitude or stay with the grandparents. We would be ok with either choice.

Ultimately, you are "in charge" of your children... make him go or don't; that's completely up to you. I will simply say that you will get much better results in the long-run by leading with a firm hand and a soft touch, than you will with ruling with an iron fist.

If you're interested... there is a difference between being an Authoritarian Parent and an Authoritative Parent. Also, an Authoritative Parent is NOT the same as a Permissive Parent. :)

Sorry for the lengthy post! Good luck!!! :goodvibes
 
Maybe part of the reason he doesn't want to go is that he knows he will have to be responsible for the younger kids. The OP said that herself in her first post:

"If I do leave him at home, what do I do with my other 2 when one wants to ride a ride the other one doesnt want to ride?"

Sounds to me that he will be functioning as a "parent" or at least a babysitter if he goes and he may know that. Not much of a vacation for him, is it. You may call it a family vacation, but it sure doesn't sound like fun for him. Let the guy stay home!!

My thoughts too.
 
I guess just... wow. As for your friend, sounds like she was either over used in this capacity or a brat.

I know two people who were used as built in babysitters by their parents and neither one is a brat and they feel the same way.

One woman who was the only girl in a family of 7 kids has gone so far as to not have kids because she was sick of taking care of kids and seeing that she is 60 I don't think she will be changing her mind.

The other is a young man who had to give up his summers to watch his siblings and resents it to this day and has a terrible relationship with those siblings.

There is the occasional helping the family but being counted on as another adult just cause you unfortunately were born first shouldn't happen. And being tired of being used does not make one a brat.
 
I know two people who were used as built in babysitters by their parents and neither one is a brat and they feel the same way.

One woman who was the only girl in a family of 7 kids has gone so far as to not have kids because she was sick of taking care of kids and seeing that she is 60 I don't think she will be changing her mind.

The other is a young man who had to give up his summers to watch his siblings and resents it to this day and has a terrible relationship with those siblings.

There is the occasional helping the family but being counted on as another adult just cause you unfortunately were born first shouldn't happen. And being tired of being used does not make one a brat.


And given that the OP is a single parent, it would seem the risk of adding too many adult responsibilities on the oldest child is high. Not saying that's the case, just saying that's a risk.
 
When I was a kid...all the way up to(and including college)...I had to go on every family vacation and where we went was pretty much decided by Mom and Dad. "Canada...seriously? Yellowstone Park...how boring!" Looking back they are cherished memories. Priceless. Unfortunately...Disney was a rare destination. I'd been to WDW twice and Disneyland once. I was thankful, though. Most of my friends hadn't been even once.

:thumbsup2
 
At some point, all kids grow up. And, at some point we have to let them make decisions for themselves. It's up to us, as parents, to decide when they're mature and ready to make the decision, choose the right scenario for that decision, give them all the information they need to make the decision, and, most importantly......

explain the impact of their decision on others besides themselves. That's the hardest part for any early teen -- thinking outside of their "sphere".​

If you think they've hit those milestones (especially the maturity part- and you're the only one who can decide that), and this is the right scenario for them making their first major, individual, outside of the family decision ---- hey, we all have to go through it at some point. The "when are they ready to do it" is the tough part.....
 
When I was a kid...all the way up to(and including college)...I had to go on every family vacation and where we went was pretty much decided by Mom and Dad. "Canada...seriously? Yellowstone Park...how boring!" Looking back they are cherished memories. Priceless. Unfortunately...Disney was a rare destination. I'd been to WDW twice and Disneyland once. I was thankful, though. Most of my friends hadn't been even once.

Mandatory family vacations in college? Wow.
 
In response to the OP...

DH and I are very much the decision-makers in our family. We work very hard to provide a comfortable life for our family, and we are the ones who decide how our money and time is spent. With that said, we have learned through the years that compromise works very well in life - not just with the family, but in real-life situations outside of the family. Life, in general, is not black-and-white - it is comprised of many shades of gray, requiring a certain degree of flexibility to achieve the desired results. In a situation such as yours, I really think that compromise is essential. Contrary to a seemingly popular belief, compromising and "giving up authority" are not one in the same.

As with many families, the older siblings tend to have some responsibilities in helping with younger ones. I think that's very normal and very healthy. I also think it's really important that the older siblings are given time to themselves, without having to be responsible for their younger family members - they are children, not parents, and they should not have to play the role of another parent in a family. (I'm not saying that is what happens in your family - just making a statement.)

Giving a teenager a little autonomy helps to build good decision-making skills and increases self-confidence, while allowing them to feel that their thoughts, feelings and opinions are valued. By giving your child a choice - and it should be options that you are ok with - you are giving your child the opportunity to think for himself, make choices for himself, and live with the natural consequences of those choices. If he chooses to stay with his grandparents, he could end up having a wonderful experience with important family members. He could also end up regretting making that choice, and that's an important life-lesson, too! Since you asked... DH and I would give our 14 y/o a choice to either go on the trip with a good attitude or stay with the grandparents. We would be ok with either choice.

Ultimately, you are "in charge" of your children... make him go or don't; that's completely up to you. I will simply say that you will get much better results in the long-run by leading with a firm hand and a soft touch, than you will with ruling with an iron fist.

If you're interested... there is a difference between being an Authoritarian Parent and an Authoritative Parent. Also, an Authoritative Parent is NOT the same as a Permissive Parent. :)

Sorry for the lengthy post! Good luck!!! :goodvibes

Very well said :thumbsup2
 
No one knows your son better than you. Do whatever works best for you and your son.
 
Respectfully, 40 hours a week, plus extra on top of that, is normal for a traditional student, but not usually for a homeschooled child. Furthermore, many homeschooled children, in general, spend the majority of their "school time" as family time, as they are typically being taught by their parent(s) alongside their siblings. For as many homeschooled children who are taught in a traditional-type setting at home, there are just as many (if not more) who are being educated in a non-traditional style. You're making a huge assumption about the OP's homeschooling regimen, unless I missed something as I read through this thread.

In response to the OP...

DH and I are very much the decision-makers in our family. We work very hard to provide a comfortable life for our family, and we are the ones who decide how our money and time is spent. With that said, we have learned through the years that compromise works very well in life - not just with the family, but in real-life situations outside of the family. Life, in general, is not black-and-white - it is comprised of many shades of gray, requiring a certain degree of flexibility to achieve the desired results. In a situation such as yours, I really think that compromise is essential. Contrary to a seemingly popular belief, compromising and "giving up authority" are not one in the same.

As with many families, the older siblings tend to have some responsibilities in helping with younger ones. I think that's very normal and very healthy. I also think it's really important that the older siblings are given time to themselves, without having to be responsible for their younger family members - they are children, not parents, and they should not have to play the role of another parent in a family. (I'm not saying that is what happens in your family - just making a statement.)

Giving a teenager a little autonomy helps to build good decision-making skills and increases self-confidence, while allowing them to feel that their thoughts, feelings and opinions are valued. By giving your child a choice - and it should be options that you are ok with - you are giving your child the opportunity to think for himself, make choices for himself, and live with the natural consequences of those choices. If he chooses to stay with his grandparents, he could end up having a wonderful experience with important family members. He could also end up regretting making that choice, and that's an important life-lesson, too! Since you asked... DH and I would give our 14 y/o a choice to either go on the trip with a good attitude or stay with the grandparents. We would be ok with either choice.

Ultimately, you are "in charge" of your children... make him go or don't; that's completely up to you. I will simply say that you will get much better results in the long-run by leading with a firm hand and a soft touch, than you will with ruling with an iron fist.

If you're interested... there is a difference between being an Authoritarian Parent and an Authoritative Parent. Also, an Authoritative Parent is NOT the same as a Permissive Parent. :)

Sorry for the lengthy post! Good luck!!! :goodvibes

You make some great points here. And I think most of us would agree that giving teenagers an increasing ability to make decision for themselves is a good idea. They will have to make plenty of big decisions before too long and we all know practice makes, well... better.

BUT, if one feels that "coming on a vacation" is not the time for that, then that does not make them an authoritarian parent. It simply means you value the idea that this is a family event that should not be available as an "opt out."
 
I guess just... wow. As for your friend, sounds like she was either over used in this capacity or a brat.

Why wow? Just b/c I don't believe my older children should have to play a significant role in watching my younger children...that is a wow moment:confused3 No, she was not a brat...hence why I was using her as an example of someone who was overused and to this day remembers the impact it had on her childhood. Did she babysit every single day...no but at least 3 days a week and all day in the summer from morning to 5ish. IMO that is very extreme. She was 13 her sister was 5 and she could never leave her house on those days.
 
Good luck whatever decision you make...

As his parent and homeschooler you know if he's capable of making the right decision for you and your family, or if you need to step in and make the decision for him!

For me...any time building memories with your family can never be replaced! Our son suffered a major accident at 26 and as he was going into critical surgery asked if everything was going to be okay and can we go back to Disney and the Cayman Islands again....Needless to say...we bought into DVC after his long recovery!
 
Just saying this, throwing it out there. There is a huge difference between watching your siblings as a primary care giver, and being the person who stands there for a rider swap.

I am the older child. I watched my sister and my younger cousins. There is a difference between watching for short periods of time and forcing your oldest to watch all evening while you go out and party. Some families really have no choice. Day care is way too much money. I'm sorry if older siblings view it as a curse, I am sure the parent does not have that as an intention, but it's life. Not everyone's life is wrapped up in a cute little ball with vast amounts of money. Your friends had I to watch their siblings because their parents worked. It doesn't make their parent bad, and I'm really sick of hearing that comparison. I didn't like watching my siblings, but my single mother who worked two jobs could not afford day care. I pitched in. I was a valuable member of the family.

I'm glad your adult situation allows for you to not have to rely on your responsible children to help around the house. Not everyone is that lucky. I count on my daughter to do her chores. I expect it. She does it. Watching siblings is just the same. It's a chore.

Everyone has a different parenting style. This topic is absolutely one of the most contentious people can possibly have. Nothing is more personal than how we choose to raise our children.
 














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