Selling of the fastpass....

[UNCFanatik]

Again, semantics. I can call it a policy, I can call it guest satisfaction, I can call it happy unicorn playtime... bottom line is, Disney allowed people to use fastpasses late, and trained CMs to do so. Disney no longer allows this, and trains CMs to not allow it. It's really a very simple concept, no matter how you label it.

I think I like the unicorn playtime, but nobody would know what I was talking about...



You got me. I made a mistake. I read an above poster's reference to "NOT FOR SALE" and misunderstood that to have replaced the non transferable. Sadly, I have not been to WDW since October.

As for credibility? I have maintained a WDW fansite for six years or so. I'm the guy people that people at work tell their family members about so that they can get trip advice, and they always come back and thank me for it.

I have 3300+ posts, a huge percentage of which are centered around helping newbies.

You have 200ish posts, which are largely narrow minded, argumentative, and often illogical.


Yeah, go ahead and ding me on credibility. Ouch.

And what a mess of a website it is. Cant imagine what kind of wrong advice i would get for $49 when you cant even get something right about FP tickets or grasp a simple concept about FP availability.

and what a mess the opinion on FP enforcement

http://www.wdwinsiders.com/view_article.php?articleid=55

Has any of the following predictions come true since March 7th:

Cue the sags in the FastPass return line, cue the dissatisfied guests that get turned away. Cue the lost sales on merchandise from the families that hurry back across a park to make their return window instead of stopping to buy that Buzz Lightyear tee chirt.

Will this new FastPAss policy last? Time will tell.

Hate the to see declines in Buzz Tee Chirts though....

Did you write that mess?

awesome!

 

[t_catt11]

Did you write that mess?

awesome!

Thanks for the edits! One day, when I get a payroll, I'll offer you a spot on it.


And I would say that yes, these things have happened. People do get upset when their meal runs late or the monorail takes a long break and they miss fastpass windows. People do rush around the parks now and buy fewer Buzz chirts, er, shirts.

 

[t_catt11]

For instance. . .the policy of law enforcement regarding speeding is what is posted on the speed limit signs.

Speed Limit 65. . .that is the official policy.
In order to avoid court time and paperwork hassle, most law enforcement organizations will give you a leeway (up to about 10 mph). It isn't official, but if you ask most cops, my wife included, they will tell you, that there is a difference between official policy, and enforced policy.

Only difference is that there is no written internal policy used to train officers to look the other way for up to 10 MPH over the limit.

Both of the WDW policies in question were 100% official - the difference was that one was public and one was internal.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Thanks for the edits! One day, when I get a payroll, I'll offer you a spot on it.

Your welcome.

that article just proves you were one of the doomsday prophets of the FP enforcement. Talk about tin foil hat theories.

You let me know when merchandise sales start to decline because of FP enforcement.

I was in WDW last week and made extensive use of FPs and didnt see "sags in FP return lines" or dissatisfied guests being turned away from the FP line. But I must be mistaken because you are SOOO credible.

 

[t_catt11]

Your welcome.

that article just proves you were one of the doomsday prophets of the FP enforcement. Talk about tin foil hat theories.

You let me know when merchandise sales start to decline because of FP enforcement.

I was in WDW last week and made extensive use of FPs and didnt see "sags in FP return lines" or dissatisfied guests being turned away from the FP line. But I must be mistaken because you are SOOO credible.

I could swear I remember somebody telling me how things don't happen in a vacuum. Who was that, again? Oh, wait...

We see posts here every week about irritation of being turned away on fastpass returns. But, whatever.

But hey, I do appreciate the spellcheck. No lie.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Only difference is that there is no written internal policy used to train officers to look the other way for up to 10 MPH over the limit.

Both of the WDW policies in question were 100% official - the difference was that one was public and one was internal.

are you now an expert on police training as well in every county? For all you know there may be written policy in different counties for police not to pull people over for speeds under 5mph over the speed limit because of problems associated with having those tickets easily overturned in court if challenged. They would rather focus on more grievous offenses. Fact is...you dont know.

Funny how you keep ignoring where Disney said enforcing FP return windows wasnt a change in policy!

 

[UNCFanatik]

I could swear I remember somebody telling me how things don't happen in a vacuum. Who was that, again? Oh, wait...

We see posts here every week about irritation of being turned away on fastpass returns. But, whatever.

But hey, I do appreciate the spellcheck. No lie.

No things dont happen in a vacuum but you can not prove a correlation between FP enforcement and reduced merchandise sales. Nor do you have access to any internal merchandise sales figures that show sales since March 7th.

But hey...maybe if you turn the antenna on your tin foil hat just right you can pick up some network traffic from those numbers being transmitted.

 

[UNCFanatik]

t_catt11,

you should really update your website...so much inaccurate info from somebody with such high credibility:

http://www.wdwinsiders.com/view_article.php?articleid=41

 

[t_catt11]

are you now an expert on police training as well in every county? For all you know there may be written policy in different counties for police not to pull people over for speeds under 5mph over the speed limit because of problems associated with having those tickets easily overturned in court if challenged. They would rather focus on more grievous offenses. Fact is...you dont know.

Funny how you keep ignoring where Disney said enforcing FP return windows wasnt a change in policy!

I would not presume to state such. You twist my words. The PP discussed his wife's department's unwritten policy and referenced the like. I have relatives in four different municipalities, and they all have similar unwritten policies... but with as many municipalities as there are in this country, it stands to reason that some do have written guidelines as to what is an "acceptable speeder" and what is not.

Also, funny how you keep ignoring my point that you are arguing a word, not an idea. I think I have said this before (but perhaps my tinfoil hat is interfering with my memory), fact is that until March 7th, Disney not only accepted late fastpasses, they trained CMs to do so (please see post #110 of this thread). On March 7th, that changed.

I love Disney, but I understand public relations. Saying "this is a change in our policy" would create much more backlash. Better to say "we let you guys get away with something, but this has to stop."

 

[t_catt11]

t_catt11,

you should really update your website...so much inaccurate info from somebody with such high credibility:

http://www.wdwinsiders.com/view_article.php?articleid=41

Another good catch! I did edit the fastpass article, but I overlooked that sentence about fastpass on that page. Thanks!

 

[Glennie5]

t_catt11,

you should really update your website...so much inaccurate info from somebody with such high credibility:

http://www.wdwinsiders.com/view_article.php?articleid=41

At this point you are just blowing smoke and tossing around insults just because someone doesn`t agree with you. Kind of like an adult temper tantrum.

 

[mad madam mim78]

Whew !!! It's raining buckets in my neck of the woods so I actually read all the posts. Hmmm..I can just imagine some unsavory character lurking about the EPCOT parking lot hustling a FP for Soarin'.
OP...look what you started !!!

You aint kiddin!!!

 

[t_catt11]

At this point you are just blowing smoke and tossing around insults just because someone doesn`t agree with you. Kind of like an adult temper tantrum.

I dunno. It's a valuable service, really. I'm very bad at typos, and will often overlook them when proofreading. It's nice to have a critical set of eyes, really.

As for the insults, psh. I've been trolled worse by better.

 

[mill4023]

I was in WDW last week and made extensive use of FPs

I asked before, but of course, you ignored the question.
When you used FP's, did you ever get one for someone else in your party?
Have you ever taken multiple park tickets to a FP machine and gotten more than one?
If so, did you make sure that you kept the correct FP with the correct ticket that was used to obtain it?
I'm pretty sure the answer to the last question is no, which means you are GUILTY OF VIOLATING Disney policy because you just transferred that pass.

 

[mattsdragon]

I would not presume to state such. You twist my words. The PP discussed his wife's department's unwritten policy and referenced the like. I have relatives in four different municipalities, and they all have similar unwritten policies... but with as many municipalities as there are in this country, it stands to reason that some do have written guidelines as to what is an "acceptable speeder" and what is not.

Also, funny how you keep ignoring my point that you are arguing a word, not an idea. I think I have said this before (but perhaps my tinfoil hat is interfering with my memory), fact is that until March 7th, Disney not only accepted late fastpasses, they trained CMs to do so (please see post #110 of this thread). On March 7th, that changed.

I love Disney, but I understand public relations. Saying "this is a change in our policy" would create much more backlash. Better to say "we let you guys get away with something, but this has to stop."

I never said unwritten. And you are correct in stating that there are jurisdictions that have written internal memos on certain enforcement. As most private companies also have written enforcement policies regarding internal policies.

I don't want to name a company, but I know of at least one major retailer who's official return policy says one thing, and the written, internal policy says something 180 degrees opposite.

I don't care how people use their fast passes, but when their fast pass enjoyment interferes with my enjoyment of the English language, well then it's all I can stands, cause I can't stands no more.

 

[t_catt11]

I asked before, but of course, you ignored the question.
When you used FP's, did you ever get one for someone else in your party?
Have you ever taken multiple park tickets to a FP machine and gotten more than one?
If so, did you make sure that you kept the correct FP with the correct ticket that was used to obtain it?
I'm pretty sure the answer to the last question is no, which means you are GUILTY OF VIOLATING Disney policy because you just transferred that pass.

But that is not what they mean by...

...oh, I see what you did, there.

 

[t_catt11]

I never said unwritten. And you are correct in stating that there are jurisdictions that have written internal memos on certain enforcement. As most private companies also have written enforcement policies regarding internal policies.

Mea culpa yet again. Two missteps in one thread. Almost as bad as me in real life.

 

[Oomiak]

UNCFanatik

Have you ever exceeded the speed limit because you were in a hurry? Ever "borrow" music from a friend because you didn't want to spend the cash on it? Maybe not, but I'm willing to bet at some point you have exercised moral relevancy yourself. It's comical that you are making such a big deal out of giving away a fastpass because it says its non-transferrable on the back. Using your definition of morals and ethics I am sure everyone here violates some moral code of yours everyday. By your definition, you probably do too.

Yeah, I gave away a fastpass or two. I'm okay with it, I sleep well at night even though I broke some Disney rule. Crazy thing is, I might even give another one or two away down the road. Lighten up dude, you aren't nearly as high and mighty as you claim, no one on earth is.

 

[goofyernmost]

Must be the heat or something because you folks have gone insane. I do not understand why we are still trying to prove if it was alright to use FP after the window, and whether or not it was a policy change or enforcement change.

I'm not sure why it matters because we have to work with what we have and that is enforced FP times. We can whine, cry, call each other names, stamp our feet, hold our breath until we turn blue. It's not going to change over that information.

We are surrounded with people here that spend time on the Disney boards. I hate to burst anyone's bubble but in the overall scope of Disney Guests, we aren't even a freckle on a hippos butt.

Fact: Disney started out with an enforced FP window and they did that for a reason. Over time it just became simpler to let people go in late then to argue with them. The numbers were too small to matter. Over more time that number probably grew. New CM's were introduced to the scene that never new the other policy really existed or were told to just let them in. Witnessed by the printing on the FP ticket the policy never changed. One hour time window. To have any affect on anything along with Policy comes Policy enforcement. What changed was policy enforcement. Seems like a small difference but if they were really pushing for anytime usage the FP would have stated a starting time to end of day.

What they have changed now is FP enforcement policy, but, you know what, that doesn't really amount to a snowball in hell when it comes to pointing a finger and saying that people were doing wrong when they used them later. The people that were in total control of that situation was Disney. Whatever reason they had, they created the monster. As an average guest, I have no idea exactly why they changed back to enforcement but with a little thought it would have to be the new system that they want to introduce.

I remember the wording used when a CM would tell you it's OK to use. It was worded like they were doing you a favor in the beginning, later they didn't say anything, they just took the pass and waved you through. Now they don't! That is the reality! That is what we now have to live with, whether or not we ever had to before. Throwing in moral standards is fruitless. There was nothing immoral about it. It was a perk that Disney happily (it seemed) extended to FP holders and over time I'm sure the reason was lost on everyone considering the turnover in the place.

Instead of whining about how it used to be why aren't we taking seriously the advice that is being given. Plan around the most important part of your schedule and if you say that riding splash mountain is the most important part then one should seriously reexamine their priority's.

I have offered some suggestions, but frankly the nature of the situation limits the number of options. What we have now is take a FP for a time that works for you without conflicts. If you have a conflict...don't take one. Seems harsh, but such is life sometimes. If you take one and then can't use it because of a change in plans, try to find a time that you can swap for with others. If you took one that you know conflicted and now you are stuck without one...well whose fault was that. You know the rules, why did you think that they didn't apply to you.

In the meantime, get over it. Fastpass is what it is until they change it again. My only hope is if the do change it again, it is better then now cause this stuff is tiring.

 

[hawkeyesparks]

this is awesome!