Selling of the fastpass....

[chuckml]

Did you see me arguing the logic about FPs ratio or how they were developed? Nope. Nice try though. Only made the point of how the previous FP policy led to hoarding of FPs and caused the FP supply to run out quicker than it would have if people had to use FPs in their return window.

And nice chart but where is the context with it? What date was this issued? Who issued it? Who was it issued to? How long was this chart even used? Was it well published? still need context to support conclusions.

No where do i see where it encourages CMs to tell people to use late FPs only to take late FPs.

Was it part of a CMs training? If so, why were some CMs still telling people prior to March 7th that they couldnt use late FPs?

Dude, you seriously need a new hobby/life mission. Gee wiz.

 

[Wadecool]

What say ye now, Officer FP--AKA UNC Fanatik?

My money is on some version of: A)"it was taken out of context, B)"you guys made that up"

Edited to add: I was wrong, the correct answer was C) refuse to accept documentation as valid unless chain of custody can be produced.

 

[t_catt11]

Did you see me arguing the logic about FPs ratio or how they were developed? Nope. Nice try though. Only made the point of how the previous FP policy led to hoarding of FPs and caused the FP supply to run out quicker than it would have if people had to use FPs in their return window.

And nice chart but where is the context with it? What date was this issued? Who issued it? Who was it issued to? How long was this chart even used? Was it well published? still need context to support conclusions.

No where do i see where it encourages CMs to tell people to use late FPs only to take late FPs.

Was it part of a CMs training? If so, why were some CMs still telling people prior to March 7th that they couldnt use late FPs?

Sigh. I called that one - tinfoil hat response. This thing has been posted over and over and over by CMs and former CMs for the past several years. I don't have the issue date. Disney issued it - note the "copyright Disney" at the bottom. Since the policy changed on March 7th, I would assume it was valid until then... that's when late fastpasses were no longer accepted.

"No where do i see where it encourages CMs to tell people to use late FPs only to take late FPs. " Not sure what that means. The third item specifically addresses late fastpasses (allow use of the fastpass).

I already answered the "why some CMs wouldn't take them" question earlier.


But, whatever. You won't let logic nor facts fly in the face of your position.

 

[chuckml]

I guess I'd be mad too if I had to wear that God awful Carolina baby blue.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Sigh. I called that one - tinfoil hat response. This thing has been posted over and over and over by CMs and former CMs for the past several years. I don't have the issue date. Disney issued it - note the "copyright Disney" at the bottom. Since the policy changed on March 7th, I would assume it was valid until then... that's when late fastpasses were no longer accepted.

"No where do i see where it encourages CMs to tell people to use late FPs only to take late FPs. " Not sure what that means. The third item specifically addresses late fastpasses (allow use of the fastpass).

I already answered the "why come CMs wouldn't take them" question earlier.


But, whatever. You won't let logic nor facts fly in the face of your position.

and since we are looking at previous documents:

Disney's FASTPASS service return time reminder
02/08/2012

In order to provide the best experience possible for everyone at our theme parks, all Walt Disney World Guests will be expected to return within their Disney's FASTPASS return time window, effective March 7.

Disney's FASTPASS service plays an important role in our Guests' ability to enjoy their visit to one of our Walt Disney World theme parks, and our ability to provide this great service is dependent upon Guests returning during the designated window. The vast majority of our Guests are aware of their return times and arrive in the window printed on the Disney's FASTPASS ticket.

As more Guests choose to take advantage of this feature, we want to provide the same opportunity to everyone. By asking all Guests to return within the window printed on their pass, more Guests will have the opportunity to enjoy this great service.

This is not a change, but simply a reminder of our existing policy. All Cast Members are expected to adhere to this policy when visiting the parks as Guests.

Notice where Disney says that the enforcement was not a change but reminder of existing policy

 

[Wadecool]

Sigh. I called that one - tinfoil hat response. This thing has been posted over and over and over by CMs and former CMs for the past several years. I don't have the issue date. Disney issued it - note the "copyright Disney" at the bottom. Since the policy changed on March 7th, I would assume it was valid until then... that's when late fastpasses were no longer accepted.

"No where do i see where it encourages CMs to tell people to use late FPs only to take late FPs. " Not sure what that means. The third item specifically addresses late fastpasses (allow use of the fastpass).

I already answered the "why come CMs wouldn't take them" question earlier.


But, whatever. You won't let logic nor facts fly in the face of your position.

Apparently, if it was posted prior to Feb 2012, UNCFanatik cannot accept its validity.

 

[t_catt11]

Notice where Disney says that the enforcement was not a change but reminder of existing policy

Fastpass verbiage was always set up to have you return within the time allotted. Ergo, no change in public policy.

Internal policy had for years been to allow late fastpass use. We accidentally used fastpass late in our first trip - 2003 - and were told the same as we were told in 2011, that they were good until park close.


But what difference does any of this make? You are going to choose to believe what you want.

 

[Wadecool]

I guess I'd be mad too if I had to wear that God awful Carolina baby blue.

Carolina blue isnt that bad, but it doesn't look nearly as good as Wildcat Blue.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Fastpass verbiage was always set up to have you return within the time allotted. Ergo, no change in public policy.

Internal policy had for years been to allow late fastpass use. We accidentally used fastpass late in our first trip - 2003 - and were told the same as we were told in 2011, that they were good until park close.


But what difference does any of this make? You are going to choose to believe what you want.

It just again proves my point that policy never changed but enforcement did.

Your own chart, if taken at face value, even supports that because it classifies it not as a matter of a change in policy but as a point of "service recovery" should a guest present a FP past the return window.

As you believe what you will and keep throwing up strawmen and incorrect statements.

 

[Wadecool]

As you believe what you will and keep throwing up strawmen and incorrect statements.

You have done an excellent job thus far of defining the quoted statement.

 

[chuckml]

Carolina blue isnt that bad, but it doesn't look nearly as good as Wildcat Blue.

I probably shouldn't have even gone there as my Alma Mater--Maryland--has been in a rough stretch here lately, but oh well. Can't help how you feel right?

Fear the Turtle!

 

[chuckml]

As you believe what you will and keep throwing up strawmen and incorrect statements.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[minnie mum]

UNCFanatic, you really, really, need to know when to fold 'em.

 

[UNCFanatik]

Pot, meet kettle.

what substance have you even added beyond your off topic ramblings and egging on others?

You say I need to get a life when you continued to post on this thread.

now that is a true...Pot, meet kettle

 

[Wadecool]

UNCFanatic, you really, really, need to know when to fold 'em.

Minnie mum, I applaud you for the impeccably placed Kenny Rogers reference. Good advice.

 

[t_catt11]

As you believe what you will and keep throwing up strawmen and incorrect statements.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

A straw man is a type of argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.[1][2]

I am not using a straw man argument. I am stating what the Disney internal policy was for years, and have offered up some compelling evidence to support that (which you pretend somehow does not apply).

You are the one twisting statements. You are the one who talked about fastpass hoarders and late fastpass users causing problems, though you have no evidence to support either of these. If anyone is using strawmen, it's not me.

 

[UNCFanatik]

UNCFanatic, you really, really, need to know when to fold 'em.

You are right. People dont like to have their hypocrisy pointed out and their selective following of Disney policy being brought to light.

again, its just another example of situational ethics at play.

 

[capegirl]

Whew !!! It's raining buckets in my neck of the woods so I actually read all the posts. Hmmm..I can just imagine some unsavory character lurking about the EPCOT parking lot hustling a FP for Soarin'.
OP...look what you started !!!

 

[t_catt11]

You are right. People dont like to have their hypocrisy pointed out and their selective following of Disney policy being brought to light.

again, its just another example of situational ethics at play.

And again, you prove my point.

People used fastpass late, someone had to think of the children, am I right?

 

[tsme]

No, it just seems wrong