School shooting in Parkland, FL

[mi*vida*loca]

The hard part is preventing the psycho from getting the gun.

Since its their "birthrite" to have one, and all......

Set up a tip line? "you think someone is a psycho, call and we will investigate" ?

Probably would need a pretty hefty tipline center to handle that one.

Do they enter the no buy list instantly after the phone call?

It would probably be more practical to just make it harder to get the weapons in the first place.

Just a thought.

Or parents can start paying more attention to their whack job kids instead of just saying he's "different." I personally think it starts at home with these young school shooters.

 

[1Mouse2RulethemAll]

Would hiking the age required to purchase a gun help? Move it to 21. Also, under the age of 25, require a couple of character "sponsors" to obtain anything over 1 handgun.

I know these changes wont stop all of these crimes, but we have to make it harder.

I can't understand why an 18 year old can walk into a gun store and buy whatever they are selling, as long as they cleared a background check.

It's totally reasonable for an 18 year old to have a AR-15 with countless magazines......

I don't see the logic in that

It won't help. By definition, a mass shooting is where 4 or more are shot. Most of those shootings are done by gangs and illegally owned guns.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I'm okay with that. Though I'm sure plenty aren't.

If not that, what about restricting the amount of ammo you can purchase? Would that be helpful? I'm not sure how you would regulate that to be honest.

Target shooters typically go through hundreds of rounds of ammo in a single session, so I don’t know how well that would fly. Plus, many manufacturer their own.

I do think there needs to be a heavier emphasis on keeping guns out of the wrong hands. Every year, thousands of people who are prohibited from owning guns are turned down in their attempts to buy one, but only a tiny fraction of them are prosecuted. People who are clearly unstable need to be put in front of a judge to be declared unfit. And once declared unfit, the states need to make sure this info gets to the BATF - something Virginia failed to do with the VA Tech shooter.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

Or parents can start paying more attention to their whack job kids instead of just saying he's "different." I personally think it starts at home with these young school shooters.

Sandy Hook being the most obvious example. His mom picked the WORST possible hobby for a kid so obviously disturbed.

 

[morgan98]

Or parents can start paying more attention to their whack job kids instead of just saying he's "different." I personally think it starts at home with these young school shooters.

I was going to post the same thing. Parents/guardians seems to more often than not, come back and say he liked to kill animals, or had an arsenal in his room or was doing other really far out there things and the parents just thought their kid is different.

However, this also goes along with a society where everything has to be 100% politically correct and people are rarely held accountable.

 

[dlavender]

Or parents can start paying more attention to their whack job kids instead of just saying he's "different." I personally think it starts at home with these young school shooters.

It definitely starts at home.

DW is a 9th grade english teacher for a public school in a bad area.

The stories some of these kids have are devastating. The support at home is just not there for many of these kids.

Unless we go round up all these kids in terrible situations and place them in another situation, its impossible to just place it on the parents. I would love for these parents to just "do better", but they wont. Or sometimes just can't.

 

[MamaBelle4]

Or parents can start paying more attention to their whack job kids instead of just saying he's "different." I personally think it starts at home with these young school shooters.

I guess it depends on where you fall on the nature v nurture camp. Personally, I am more on the nurture side myself. I don't think environment is EVERYTHING, but I do think it is huge. If he had been in the proper environment, he may have gotten the help he needed, but maybe not.

I do think some parents do all they can or know how to but it isn't always enough.

 

[dlavender]

It won't help. By definition, a mass shooting is where 4 or more are shot. Most of those shootings are done by gangs and illegally owned guns.

I don't know about the wider mass shooting problem, but it seems to me these school shootings are done by kids under the age of 25. Perhaps I'm wrong?

 

[Gumbo4x4]

The hard part is preventing the psycho from getting the gun.

Since its their "birthrite" to have one, and all......

Set up a tip line? "you think someone is a psycho, call and we will investigate" ?

Probably would need a pretty hefty tipline center to handle that one.

Do they enter the no buy list instantly after the phone call?

It would probably be more practical to just make it harder to get the weapons in the first place.

Just a thought.

Such people need to be identified, but they also deserve their day in court. It’s no small matter to remove someone’s rights. But, on occasion, it is the right thing to do.

 

[dlavender]

Such people need to be identified, but they also deserve their day in court. It’s no small matter to remove someone’s rights. But, on occasion, it is the right thing to do.

So, thinking through this, say someone identified this guy as someone who should not have a gun. What happens if he already purchased it? They can't take it until his court date which would most undoubtedly be at least 3 months out? I'm sure he'll just sit on pins and needles getting his defense ready......

 

[Gumbo4x4]

I guess it depends on where you fall on the nature v nurture camp. Personally, I am more on the nurture side myself. I don't think environment is EVERYTHING, but I do think it is huge. If he had been in the proper environment, he may have gotten the help he needed, but maybe not.

I do think some parents do all they can or know how to but it isn't always enough.

It’s both, I believe. A bad environment is no guarantee a kid will turn out bad, nor is a good environment a guarantee a kid will turn out good. But, for a lot of kids, this is the difference maker.

 

[dlavender]

I was going to post the same thing. Parents/guardians seems to more often than not, come back and say he liked to kill animals, or had an arsenal in his room or was doing other really far out there things and the parents just thought their kid is different.

However, this also goes along with a society where everything has to be 100% politically correct and people are rarely held accountable.

How do you hold the parents accountable?
Put them in jail?
Put the kid in foster care?

 

[mi*vida*loca]

It definitely starts at home.

DW is a 9th grade english teacher for a public school in a bad area.

The stories some of these kids have are devastating. The support at home is just not there for many of these kids.

Unless we go round up all these kids in terrible situations and place them in another situation, its impossible to just place it on the parents. I would love for these parents to just "do better", but they wont. Or sometimes just can't.

I'm not even referring to bad areas or terrible situations. I grew up in a bad area and in a terrible situation and there was never a school shooting. I don't think bad areas breed school shooters. I'm more referring to kids that obviously have psychological issues and the parents ignore it. Like the PP's mentioned about the Sandy Hook killer or kids who kill animals or are just extremely "off." Too many times parents turn the other way and just think the kid is "different." They don't want to believe their kid has psychological issues so instead of getting them help they ignore it.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

So, thinking through this, say someone identified this guy as someone who should not have a gun. What happens if he already purchased it? They can't take it until his court date which would most undoubtedly be at least 3 months out? I'm sure he'll just sit on pins and needles getting his defense ready......

Unfortunately, that is the reality. But, we can’t just start removing rights based on an accusation.

 

[dlavender]

Unfortunately, that is the reality. But, we can’t just start removing rights based on an accusation.

Exactly, so in reality it doesn't prevent anything.

If anything, it would just accelerate the incident.

 

[Liberty Belle]

So do you have a PRACTICAL solution?

Making all guns illegal isn't practical.
Better mental health treatment sounds good, but I'm willing to guess if anyone thought someone would do this, something would be done.
Do we put metal detectors at every door of every school, mall, theater, business?

I don't have a solution, but just claiming "something needs to be done" isn't helpful either.

I have ideas, but I'm not allowed to post most on here as it involves politics and politicians.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I'm not even a gun "advocate." I don't own a gun but I don't have problems with guns. I just don't think guns are the real issue in these school shootings that really only started 20 years ago. Especially since guns have been around since the beginning of time.

 

[dlavender]

I'm not even referring to bad areas or terrible situations. I grew up in a bad area and in a terrible situation and there was never a school shooting. I don't think bad areas breed school shooters. I'm more referring to kids that obviously have psychological issues and the parents ignore it. Like the PP's mentioned about the Sandy Hook killer or kids who kill animals or are just extremely "off." Too many times parents turn the other way and just think the kid is "different." They don't want to believe their kid has psychological issues so instead of getting them help they ignore it.

So how do we make them pay attention?
What change can we enact?

 

[MamaBelle4]

And then we have adults like this:

http://uproxx.com/news/football-coa...tudents-florida-school-shooting-nikolas-cruz/

How many parents are waking up with their children still alive because of his brave sacrifice?

 

[morgan98]

How do you hold the parents accountable?
Put them in jail?
Put the kid in foster care?

Perhaps yes to either of these. Being negligent may deserve a trip to jail. Foster care seems like a better alternative than turning into a mass murderer.