2025 Condo Meeting Information - Renting

[Cyberc1978]

I really have a hard time believing that any significant enforcement is actually going on to this point. I can understand the incentive for any owner that got busted to not run to social media with the story, but that doesn't explain the fact that there hasn't been one person who rented a villa from a commercial renter and had that rental canceled who has shared their story on social media. If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

This sounds very plausible.

 

[Brian Noble]

Just another thought.

I think this is a wise observation. The motivations of a private-owner DVC rental guest are probably not exactly the same as the motivations of someone who is renting a room from Disney and just happens to choose a DVC unit.

 

[Brian Noble]

If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

Maybe. It depends on how the enforcement is happening. I can imagine a world in which accounts are frozen and/or new guest changes are not allowed, but existing bookings are left alone.

But, I can also (easily) imagine a world in which nothing is happening.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I really have a hard time believing that any significant enforcement is actually going on to this point. I can understand the incentive for any owner that got busted to not run to social media with the story, but that doesn't explain the fact that there hasn't been one person who rented a villa from a commercial renter and had that rental canceled who has shared their story on social media. If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

I think Disney/DVC may take the high road and not cancel innocent peoples reservations and notify owner about any future reservations etc. BUT I can say I know of a few who rent commercially that are going about business as usual. They have made some tweaks but other than that they are still profiting and still buying new contracts to continue to spec rent even more. So yeah DVC isnt doing much if anything.

 

[Sandisw]

I dont agree that they do it FOR the owner. If they did, then any net proceeds would go back to the owner, instead DVC pockets all proceeds.

Do you know for sure that they end up renting all rooms to have such a big profit? Where do you think the funds come from for paying for trades when not all the rooms that were moved were booked?

Exchanges and breakage are all part of the contract.

I thought the context in which commercial renting is being discussed is in relation to what is and is not allowed.

When my points are used in an exchange and the funds used to pay for it, it’s my action that sends it there, not theirs.

So, their profit is solely driven by owners actions.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[Sandisw]

I really have a hard time believing that any significant enforcement is actually going on to this point. I can understand the incentive for any owner that got busted to not run to social media with the story, but that doesn't explain the fact that there hasn't been one person who rented a villa from a commercial renter and had that rental canceled who has shared their story on social media. If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

The reason that it is hard could be based on what one views what the whole commercial purpose clause was meant to prevent.

What we know is they have, to date, not changed the commercial use policy. We know what that triggers a review.

We know that even with a review, DVc gets to decide if they owners explanation is sufficient to not get them in trouble.

The other answer is that there simply is not a large number of owners who are renting to the degree that DVC sees it as a pattern that crosses the line.

I think there has been a hope that certain actions were going to be deemed to be a violation, and expected them to make renting for everyone much harder.

If that is where someone sits, then you are going to be frustrated if those things continue.

No matter what they decided to do…and could do in the future…it’s always going to be applied at the owner level….which is where it is required to be.

And the only one who knows exactly what a specific owner is doing is DVC.

I know some might not be happy but it is still possible that the whole 20 reservations in 12 months is the line in the sand and that as long as you stay below it, you will continue to be okay?

 

[VGCgroupie]

I posted elsewhere but I wanted to post here too.

I have noticed a trend. I have seen so many complaints across social media boards the last 30 days about not getting anything at 11 months. I saw someone this weekend who couldn't even get a 1 bed at their resort at 11 months. Something is changing not sure what. I would encourage sending DVC an email to complain if you have time and if it is effecting your ownership. Maybe its commercial entities maybe its DVC themselves but something is for sure different and people are noticing.

 

[Cyberc1978]

I posted elsewhere but I wanted to post here too.

I have noticed a trend. I have seen so many complaints across social media boards the last 30 days about not getting anything at 11 months. I saw someone this weekend who couldn't even get a 1 bed at their resort at 11 months. Something is changing not sure what. I would encourage sending DVC an email to complain if you have time and if it is effecting your ownership. Maybe its commercial entities maybe its DVC themselves but something is for sure different and people are noticing.

December has always been very busy.

Which resort was not available in a 1br at 11 months?

On top Disney has taken all value rooms out for maintenance at AKV Jambo.

 

[VGCgroupie]

December has always been very busy.

Which resort was not available in a 1br at 11 months?

On top Disney has taken all value rooms out for maintenance at AKV Jambo.

I know Dec is and always has been, I am just relaying info people who have been members for a long time are saying. That they use to have no problems booking and now they do even at 11 months. I didn't ask them specifics or grill them for posting their experience and frustration. But I have seen many saying this very same thing.

 

[Tatebeck]

For a data point, I didn't get on right away and no 1brs were available except for single day or 2 days for the first week of Dec at BLT (also was a bit spotty at Jambo but plenty at Kidani) There was at least 1 type of 1BR available for most of the week at RIV, BWV, and Kidani

 

[Cyberc1978]

I know Dec is and always has been, I am just relaying info people who have been members for a long time are saying. That they use to have no problems booking and now they do even at 11 months. I didn't ask them specifics or grill them for posting their experience and frustration. But I have seen many saying this very same thing.

I just checked (removed dates)I didn’t check all but most and except for riviera no resorts has full availability for a 1br. However BWV is close missing only 1 night. CCV and BRV are particularly lacking inventory for those dates.

I don’t know if that’s what you can expect for December date.

Specific dates removed.

 

[Tatebeck]

It definitely seemed a bit more sparse than the past 2 years IMO

 

[VGCgroupie]

I just checked xxxxx I didn’t check all but most and except for riviera no resorts has full availability for a 1br. However BWV is close missing only 1 night. CCV and BRV are particularly lacking inventory for those dates.

I don’t know if that’s what you can expect for December dates?

I dont know either. But many are expressing booking frustrations that they havent previously experienced, I didnt say anything before because obviously not everyone will be successful in booking and some just like to complain. I brought it up once I saw it so many times all from different people and on various platforms.

Maybe it's due to commercial renters (I am against commercial renting and I know you are not). Maybe it's due to DVC now exchanging more points with MMB for AP's or more people cruise swapping and DVC swiping days before members can. Maybe it's a combo of both. My point is if people think booking things is making their membership unusable for their needs or if it's becoming less valuable to them they should email DVC to let them know.

 

[Sandisw]

I dont know either. But many are expressing booking frustrations that they havent previously experienced, I didnt say anything before because obviously not everyone will be successful in booking and some just like to complain. I brought it up once I saw it so many times all from different people and on various platforms.

Maybe it's due to commercial renters (I am against commercial renting and I know you are not). Maybe it's due to DVC now exchanging more points with MMB for AP's or more people cruise swapping and DVC swiping days before members can. Maybe it's a combo of both. My point is if people think booking things is making their membership unusable for their needs or if it's becoming less valuable to them they should email DVC to let them know.

What I can say is that the VGF 1 bedrooms I am seeing is typical of what always happens.

So is RIV for 1 bedrooms. Those are the only resorts I book. But my monitoring of others hasn’t seemed different….resorts always go in seconds this time of year at the near park resorts.

I personally t can’t say if it’s related to commmericsl rentals…because my definition is whatever DVC states it is…but it just seems normal December difficulties to me.

Remember, the more points that get sold, the more competition there will be for popular dates, and it may not be in proportion to the rooms that were declared.

But, I agree that people should always share feededback with DVC.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Remember, the more points that get sold, the more competition there will be for popular dates, and it may not be in proportion to the rooms that were declared.

I think this plays a big part.

On top everyone wants to go to Disney in December. If you can’t get your 1st priority you go for your 2nd or 3rd.

 

[Sandisw]

I think this plays a big part.

On top everyone wants to go to Disney in December. If you can’t get your 1st priority you go for your 2nd or 3rd.

And, outside of a lottery system, not sure how DVC can balance demand against supply for these two weeks.

I believe this current week people are booking is the highest demand time for DVC.

 

[Brian Noble]

If you want, take a look at a 1 night stay checking in exactly one month from now. As I type this, there is availability for at least some 1BR views at all but two resorts. At one of those resorts the day before today is there in all views (so walkers who may or may not stop on today).

It is mostly just the Usual Suspects view-wise at resorts that only have some that are missing, though I was surprised by one of them.

I have no idea how hard those two missing resorts would have been at 8:10 AM vs. 2PM Eastern and I have no idea how hard 2PM on the day of would have been years ago.

 

[CarolynFH]

the more points that get sold, the more competition there will be for popular dates,

At 11 months, this is true for resorts still in active sales. For sold out resorts at 11 months, it’s more that an increasing percentage of owners want this particular time.

I’m happy we have the dates we want in December 2026, but I think I’ll go back to January after this!

 

[airjay75]

I am increasingly convinced that we need some adjustments to points charts, especially if Disney is going to keep providing such big spring and summer discounts. Rack rate spring discounts are currently up to 25% and summer discounts are currently up to 40%. Just ran some numbers on rack rates vs. points for some rooms at RIV.

Riviera, Deluxe Studio, 12/5-12/12
Resort View: $7,463.25
Points: 123 or $60.67/point
Preferred View: $8,419.53
Points: 152 $55.39/point

Riviera Deluxe Studio 6/20-6/27
Preferred View: $4,502.96 (30% discount - could get up to 40% if AP)
Points: 157 or $28.68/point
Note: Resort view was unavailable

Rivera Tower Studio, 3/28-4/4
$6,030 (no discounts although 25% discounts are generally available for spring)
Points: 167 or $36/point
Note: No Deluxe Studios currently available for cash bookings so couldn't compare, but figured a tower studio would be the closest comparable - according to the dvcrofr.com calculator, the rack rate on a Deluxe Studio, Resort View would be $8,049, and points would be 202 or $39.85/point

So, let's say you are either (a) someone looking to get the most value of out your DVC membership and have the flexibility to go in early December or (b) someone looking to rent out some points, whether commercially or for other reasons, and you want to get the most $/point for renting out, which of the above are you going to pick?

Another interesting tidbit I'll put out there. Go check out availability for Easter Week. We're about 2.5 months out, so you'd figure there wouldn't be much left and, surely, getting a full week at this point would be difficult, right? You would be very wrong. Easter week takes the same amount of points as Christmas-New Years. Think you can get a full week in any resort for any week in December 2.5 months out? My guess is that would be very, very difficult.

 

[juliebee]

December is brutally hard to get a reservation. I went back three years of facebook posts to January when people are trying to reserve for December and there were complaints. There are probably years more of complaints. I know the popular thought on Facebook is that bots are involved, but I think it's just a high demand time. A disproportionate number of members want to go in December. AND renters know non-members want to go in December too, so they are trying to snag dates to rent out. Plus it's a low points time. It's been mentioned that December points should be raised to offset the demand and elsewhere in the year lowered. I think that could be the way that Disney might handle this if they want to make December less desirable.