Rumor on possible new DVC resort

With all due respect, I really hope not. New parks require hundreds-of-millions of dollars worth of infrastructure alone--everything from utilities (plumbing, sewage, electrical) to roads, parking lots, security booths, backstage areas, restrooms, gift shops, landscaping and on, and on, and on. And that's before you add a single attraction to the park.

We would be much better off if Disney spent that money to expand the current parks. Hollywood Studios and DAK in particular could use entirely new lands with multiple attractions. I would much rather spread my travels over 4 parks rather than 5, particularly if each of those parks have more to offer.

If this new Cali DVC was attached to DHS, and particularly a Cars area like DL is supposed to get :banana: and possibly a ski lodge could work, too.

I just do not think a Cali themed resort without park access would be much a draw to the typical disney crowd, and I fear they'll build a resort centered around a vineyard, (While SSR is really nice for having a golf course and a Spa, it's not what CRO guests are looking for) which might result in a great restaurant, but not so much for a great park trip.
 
DD was a stretch, and now they are going to put a DVC next to BB as a "draw"? What next, putting one next to WWS? This is all we need, another over sized, under utilized resort that is sold with "you can stay at any of the DVC properties" as the primary selling point.

If they are going to build another big, sprawling DVC resort, give it a real draw. There is all kinds of land along World Drive where they could build a nice sprawling resort that they could tie into the EPCOT monorail. I would consider staying there if they had that kind of access to the MK and EPCOT via the monorail. Unfortunately, I agree its about sales and not where people actually want to stay, and that location would probably be expensive to run in the infrastructure. Even though SSR sold better than expected, I would hope that DVD takes into account the booking disparities and nightmares it has caused.
 
As for theme, I would be alright with a CA theme if done right. The beach resort theme has been done times over, and a Yosemite/Redwoods/Seqouia theme would be too much like WL. Maybe a Palm Springs desert type theme, or Napa? If its going to be a US themed resort, how about something more remote/exotic like Alaska?

Othewise, I like the idea of an Asian or Autralian theme.
 
With all due respect, I really hope not.
I'd be shocked if we saw a fifth park anytime soon---though I bet they have at least two and maybe three plots already in mind for one if it comes to that in the master development plan.

As Tim points out, standalone parks take an enormous amount of infrastructure and fixed costs before you ever get a return on investment. It would be much less expensive to add capacity to existing parks---and all of them have room.

In the MK, even after the 20K plot is consumed by Fantasy Forest, there are good-sized expansion pads in Tomorrowland (Carousel of Progress through the old Galaxy Palace theater) and in the southwest corner of Adventureland.

EP has room for several more country pavilions, the old Wonders of Life is emtpy most of the year, and the convention space over behind UK is underutilized as well.

AK has all of camp Minnie-Mickey available for expansion; there's a big plot there and very little of it is used.

DS is the one that is most severely landlocked, but a very sizable chunk of that park used to be a working studio that isn't a working studio anymore. Lots of room.

The only reason to add a new major gate (as opposed to adding capacity to the existing ones) is to try to extend the length-of-stay. And, if they really wanted to go after more of the UK market, they might, because the UK guests often come for a couple weeks. But the US market doesn't typically vacation for much longer than a week or so at a time, and already there are enough things to do at WDW to keep week-long guests busy.

If a new gate is built, I think it is much likely that we'll see other minor gates; maybe another water park, as both often reach capacity in the summer, and they are harder to expand as both sort of have their boundaries set by the lazy rivers. Or, maybe the Night Kingdom idea---a competitor to Discovery Cove in terms of price point and service---might resurface. I think either is more likely than a major gate.
 

As for theme, I would be alright with a CA theme if done right. The beach resort theme has been done times over, and a Yosemite/Redwoods/Seqouia theme would be too much like WL. Maybe a Palm Springs desert type theme, or Napa?

Oh i like the napa Idea....maybe with Vineyards and Mission style villas like OKW or SSR so it could be built in Phases.....

Theme would lead itself to fine dining and wine...which are favorites among the ritzy upper middle class DVC types.....There is a working winery or two in Central Flordia so I now grapes and wine could be produced there....Looking out your balcony onto a sprawling Vineyard is unique and might just work....Glad i thought of it:lmao:
 
This is exactly how I feel about the Boardwalk DVC. I live in NJ about 20 minutes from Seaside, 40 minutes from Atlantic City, and an hour from Cape May. All places I go to on occassion. The last thing I want to do on vacation is feel like I am at home! I want to feel like I am at my vacation home - so for me California would work, since I don't live there and for you the Boardwalk would be a good pick - see something for everyone!;)

Touche! I LOVE the Boardwalk! Not so much for the Boardwalk, but I love Jelly Rolls and Flying Fish and the proximity to Epcot. We stayed there last year for F&W and I thought it was just great, but DP says we can't go back due to the fudge shop outside the door. Sort of like having an recovering alcholic sleep next to a bar! :rotfl2:

I guess that's why the DVC resorts are so varied. Different strokes....
 
... there are good-sized expansion pads in Tomorrowland (Carousel of Progress through the old Galaxy Palace theater)

Yes, yes, yes! Extend Tomorrowland all the way out to BLT so guests there can have a private entrance into MK, just like guests have from GC into DCA. :banana:

Seriously, whether Disney builds a fifth park or expands existing ones, what Disney needs is more thrill rides to compete with Universal. There are a few here and there scattered throughout 3 parks (I don't count MK because there really aren't any "thrill" rides there!) I'm thinking something like Paradise Pier at DCA.
 
Tokyo DisneySea DVC - Hmm, that'll happen at about 1/4 past never. Remember, Disney doesn't really own the park. It's licensed. Tokyo real estate relationships tend to be that way. But that sort of long term commitment, somewhere that real estate is SO expensive is pretty unlikely. They're marketing Aulani heavily in Japan because Hawaii is such a popular vacation spot for the Japanese in the first place.

As to the new Resort rumors, I still think any new resort EITHER has to have Park access or has to be so elaborately themed that it constitutes an attraction in and of itself. I can't see a CA themed resort being that big a draw. Napa Valley? Hmmm, Saratoga Springs all over again. Though the hubs says if they go with a Deco theme, call it the Hollywood Towers and connect it to the Studios, he's there!

I do think the location makes a certain amount of sense from Disney's perspective. Presumably it doesn't require geologic heroics, utilities are handy, and access is relatively easy.

A monorail resort would be nice, I agree. (Heck I'd hold out for points) But even a monorail station and associated small loop of track would be pretty expensive.

As to a fifth gate, I'd go with the general consensus and say it's unlikely anytime soon. But if more capacity is required, DS and AK aren't the only ones that could be expanded. Epcot was designed for twice the World Showcase pavilions it currently has. ;) Granted, getting countries to sponsor new pavilions in this economy would be difficult to say the least.

Fun to speculate. I just hope whatever they build next (and I'd bet there IS something in the "artist's concept and blueprints drawn up" phase) is well-themed and takes into account things they've learned from the current resorts.
 
Yes, yes, yes! Extend Tomorrowland all the way out to BLT so guests there can have a private entrance into MK, just like guests have from GC into DCA. :banana:

Seriously, whether Disney builds a fifth park or expands existing ones, what Disney needs is more thrill rides to compete with Universal. There are a few here and there scattered throughout 3 parks (I don't count MK because there really aren't any "thrill" rides there!) I'm thinking something like Paradise Pier at DCA.
Gag me out the door...
I don't want Disney to turn into a Six Flags with a plethora of roller coasters, especially in Tomorrowland. They have a few, well themed coaster type rides now. Please don't turn it into an amusement park.
While I love Disneyland, Disney California is not that great. Paradise Pier specifically is an abomination that should be on the receiving end of a bulldozer.

MG
 
Gag me out the door...
I don't want Disney to turn into a Six Flags with a plethora of roller coasters, especially in Tomorrowland. They have a few, well themed coaster type rides now. Please don't turn it into an amusement park.
While I love Disneyland, Disney California is not that great. Paradise Pier specifically is an abomination that should be on the receiving end of a bulldozer.

MG

That's all well and good that you are not fond of thrill rides, however from a business standpoint, this is where Disney needs to head if they want to expand the theme park division. It is the one area where the competition definitely have them beat. I'm not saying it is everyones cup of tea and maybe it would be better as a fifth park, but it is one area that Disney should look into to luer vacationers away from the competition.
 
That's all well and good that you are not fond of thrill rides, however from a business standpoint, this is where Disney needs to head if they want to expand the theme park division. It is the one area where the competition definitely have them beat. I'm not saying it is everyones cup of tea and maybe it would be better as a fifth park, but it is one area that Disney should look into to luer vacationers away from the competition.

I've got to totally disagree with you on this point. The competition doesn't have Disney beat in any way, shape, or form. Despite the economic downturn, Disney's numbers have looked good; not so for Universal, Sea World, etc. While there are many reasons for Disney's superior performance compared to their competition, one of the main reasons in my opinion is that Disney offers a complete, immersive experience that the entire family can enjoy. Most folks live close to a regular amusement park (i.e. Six Flags), but still choose to visit WDW due to the "Disney difference."

I think it's important to note that, while Disney is certainly interested in continuing to improve theme park spending and their bottom line, they do not need to "lure" anyone away from the competition. It's Disney's competition that is in "lure" mode. Even Universal isn't going with a pile-on-the-thrill-rides strategy to try to expand their business. They are going with an entire Harry Potter themed land--an immersive experience--very Disney if you ask me. Note that the only new ride they built wasn't a coaster, but rather something more people can experience.
 
I'm sorry, but I do not deal with speculation and rumor...

I get all of my information from the bus drivers!
 
I've got to totally disagree with you on this point. The competition doesn't have Disney beat in any way, shape, or form. Despite the economic downturn, Disney's numbers have looked good; not so for Universal, Sea World, etc. While there are many reasons for Disney's superior performance compared to their competition, one of the main reasons in my opinion is that Disney offers a complete, immersive experience that the entire family can enjoy. Most folks live close to a regular amusement park (i.e. Six Flags), but still choose to visit WDW due to the "Disney difference."

I think it's important to note that, while Disney is certainly interested in continuing to improve theme park spending and their bottom line, they do not need to "lure" anyone away from the competition. It's Disney's competition that is in "lure" mode. Even Universal isn't going with a pile-on-the-thrill-rides strategy to try to expand their business. They are going with an entire Harry Potter themed land--an immersive experience--very Disney if you ask me. Note that the only new ride they built wasn't a coaster, but rather something more people can experience.
You took the words right out of my mouth..

On a side note, I wouldn't mind a couple well themed thrill rides such as Expedition Everest or Big Thunder Mountain (although those are quite tame by today's standards).
What I don't want is an amusement park/carnival setting like Paradise Pier, or that Dino thing over in Dinoland. That is just embarrassing.

MG
 
I've got to totally disagree with you on this point. The competition doesn't have Disney beat in any way, shape, or form. Despite the economic downturn, Disney's numbers have looked good; not so for Universal, Sea World, etc. While there are many reasons for Disney's superior performance compared to their competition, one of the main reasons in my opinion is that Disney offers a complete, immersive experience that the entire family can enjoy. Most folks live close to a regular amusement park (i.e. Six Flags), but still choose to visit WDW due to the "Disney difference."

I think it's important to note that, while Disney is certainly interested in continuing to improve theme park spending and their bottom line, they do not need to "lure" anyone away from the competition. It's Disney's competition that is in "lure" mode. Even Universal isn't going with a pile-on-the-thrill-rides strategy to try to expand their business. They are going with an entire Harry Potter themed land--an immersive experience--very Disney if you ask me. Note that the only new ride they built wasn't a coaster, but rather something more people can experience.

Yes, but Universal doesn't have to add thrill rides, they already have them! I'm just sying that if Disney wants the bigger piece of the pie, the thrill ride seekers is the untapped market for Disney. I think Disney recognizes this, that's why the majority of attractions that have been added by Disney in recent history have had a "thrill" aspect. Also, if the rumors of the Villians park were true, I think that's what they were going for.
 
I like the nappa theme much more than ssr. Never been enticed by it. Like the ski chalet one also, you'd think I would be tired of it considering I'm in the northeast. My favorite idea though is villas accomodations to go with the GF. That would be gorgeous and I would probably buy into it in a heartbeat.
 
Gag me out the door...
I don't want Disney to turn into a Six Flags with a plethora of roller coasters, especially in Tomorrowland. They have a few, well themed coaster type rides now. Please don't turn it into an amusement park.
While I love Disneyland, Disney California is not that great. Paradise Pier specifically is an abomination that should be on the receiving end of a bulldozer.

MG

I don't think anyone wants WDW to turn into Six Flags or Universal, but I think there is nothing wrong with thrill rides at Disney if done right. I even think a 5th gate dedicated to mostly (well-themed) thrill rides could fit in quite well at WDW if done right. People who dismiss thrill rides out of hand are typically those who simply don't like thrill rides. That's fine, but there are plenty of us who love what WDW and DL are now, but would also love more thrill rides in addition. I certainly don't think Disney should dedicate themselves to thrill rides at the expense of new and innovative attractions like Soarin' or TSM, but I also think they should continue to build new and innovative thrill rides like ToT, Everest, and California Screamin'. Seriously, as much as I like Peter Pan and Country Bear Jamboree, WDW and DL/DCA need to continue to appeal to all ages and demographics, not just the Disney purists. Its not like we are proposing a roller coaster right down Main Street.
 



















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