Rumor on possible new DVC resort

[UConnJack]

What I don't want is an amusement park/carnival setting like Paradise Pier, or that Dino thing over in Dinoland. That is just embarrassing.

MG

I understand what they tried to do with PP at DCA and Dinoland, and I don't think there is anything wrong with a "carnival" theme necessarily. While I agree that Dinoland was a big fail (it simply looks cheap, rushed, and an afterthought), I do not agree with your assessment of PP. I think that was done quite well, although DCA as a whole needs some work.

 

[WdwJon]

A long time ago there was talk of growth, ie, hotels, shops, etc, on the Western side.

http://allears.net/news/hnews0307.htm

Don't know if that is still in the works. That might be the beginnings of a draw in the area.

Jon

 

[Maistre Gracey]

I don't think anyone wants WDW to turn into Six Flags or Universal, but I think there is nothing wrong with thrill rides at Disney if done right. I even think a 5th gate dedicated to mostly (well-themed) thrill rides could fit in quite well at WDW if done right. People who dismiss thrill rides out of hand are typically those who simply don't like thrill rides. That's fine, but there are plenty of us who love what WDW and DL are now, but would also love more thrill rides in addition. I certainly don't think Disney should dedicate themselves to thrill rides at the expense of new and innovative attractions like Soarin' or TSM, but I also think they should continue to build new and innovative thrill rides like ToT, Everest, and California Screamin'. Seriously, as much as I like Peter Pan and Country Bear Jamboree, WDW and DL/DCA need to continue to appeal to all ages and demographics, not just the Disney purists. Its not like we are proposing a roller coaster right down Main Street.

I love thrill rides. As I said, if it's done to the level of Thunder or Everest, that's fine. Screamin'? No. There is not much of a theme and it looks, well, I'll say un-Disneyesque to word it nicely. Actually I think PP is the eyesore of DCA.

MG

 

[Chuck S]

Folks,

This thread is straying far from the topic of a rumor of a new DVC resort near Blizzard Beach. Please return it to topic.

Thanks

 

[Brian Noble]

me too....

or the boat drivers!

Everybody knows that if you want the real "scoop", you go to the Lemon Chill Guy.

Edited, sorry---posted before I read Chuck's admonishment.

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled baseless rumor discussion...

 

[TinklednPants]

I just want more offsite options. There are more than enough DVC places to stay onsite already.

 

[Simba's Mom]

I just want more offsite options. There are more than enough DVC places to stay onsite already.

That's kinda the way I felt also. But then, I also wanted a cool option, since it's hot in Orlando, and even hotter where I live. So I know I'm in a real minority of voters. Grumpy me just sees this as selling more DVC, making it harder to get the resorts we want bacause even more people will be buying in just to get in the system.

 

[princessbride6205]

When I read the initial rumor - near Blizzard Beach, condo-style, California theme - I was unimpressed. But after looking at the google earth map, this could be great, if done right.

Would love the whole resort to be old Hollywood themed, with a back entrance to the Studios (a la World Showcase). But if each building has it's own California theme, I think Hollywood would be near the lobby/community room and hopefully walkway to DHS. Other building themes like Napa, Beach, etc. Could be a great Napa-themed TS restaurant, maybe a little wine walk/seminar activity.

I would also love to see more value point options - like the Value 1BRs at AKV. I doubt those would be included, but they could draw me to a non-park resort.

I think we could use the capacity of another resort. I love being a member of DVC, but we cannot often book at 11 or even 7 months out. On 5 months notice, there was not a single studio at WDW to be had for Columbus Day weekend - and in this economy! [I know it's a holiday and I run that risk by not booking sooner, just pointing out that current DVC inventory does reach capacity.]

 

[acourtwdw]

I wouldn't mind a new DVC resort near DHS/BB as long as there was a "back door" into DHS. That would be the draw not BB. Also, a Cali theme would be great, if it was old Hollywood. I'm tired of the resorts looking alike. IMO- WL, AKL and GC look alike with different theming. If that makes sense...

We own at SSR and BCV. We rarely stay at SSR. We stay at BCV or BWV. SSR doesn't have the draw BCV/BWV area does.

 

[Garthilk]

Considering the speed at which the GCV has nearly sold out and the lack of additional space to sell at DL, I'm suprised there isn't another option in the works for the West Coast.

 

[tjkraz]

I just want more offsite options. There are more than enough DVC places to stay onsite already.

The problem is that Disney wasn't particularly successful in marketing Vero or Hilton Head when they came on-line. When most people hear "Disney" they think theme parks. In order for Disney to truly be successful in marketing multiple off-site destinations, they need to attract buyers who want to use those destinations. Otherwise you're just selling more points to people who want to get "into the system" and then book WDW/DL locations at 7 months.

Aulani (Hawaii) sales will play a huge role in Disney's future off-site developments.

It's also much cheaper for Disney to build on property they already own. If memory serves, they spent $120 million on the Hawaii land alone.

Grumpy me just sees this as selling more DVC, making it harder to get the resorts we want bacause even more people will be buying in just to get in the system.

Depends upon the appeal of the destinations.

When you look at a resort like Bay Lake Tower, it's difficult to argue that it made the system any worse. BLT almost certainly lessened demand for the likes of BWV and BCV. Similarly AKV probably reduced overall 7 month demand for VWL.

It's another "devil is in the details" discussion. Hard to predict how members would receive a new resort until we see a location, theme, amenities, villa designs, point charts, etc.

Considering the speed at which the GCV has nearly sold out and the lack of additional space to sell at DL, I'm suprised there isn't another option in the works for the West Coast.

West Coast marketing efforts will shift to Aulani soon. Generally speaking, Disneyland doesn't attract the same type of long-term vacationers as Walt Disney World. But Hawaii is a big vacation destination for many in the west (as well as Japan and other countries.)

DVC is building nearly 500 villas in Hawaii so that is a HUGE project in the literal sense.

There have been rumors of a DVC component being added to the Disneyland Hotel (perhaps a 4th tower), but I can't see that getting the green light until they have some sense of how Hawaii sales will go. If Aulani is slow getting out of the gate, DVC won't want people considering DLH as an alternative. They will want all attention focused on the project they've already spent hundreds-of-millions of dollars to develop.

 

[Maistre Gracey]

IMO- WL, AKL and GC look alike with different theming. If that makes sense..

It makes perfect sense.... The same architect designed all three of them.

MG

 

[Mickey'sApprentice]

The problem is that Disney wasn't particularly successful in marketing Vero or Hilton Head when they came on-line. When most people hear "Disney" they think theme parks. In order for Disney to truly be successful in marketing multiple off-site destinations, they need to attract buyers who want to use those destinations. Otherwise you're just selling more points to people who want to get "into the system" and then book WDW/DL locations at 7 months.

Aulani (Hawaii) sales will play a huge role in Disney's future off-site developments.

It's also much cheaper for Disney to build on property they already own. If memory serves, they spent $120 million on the Hawaii land alone.

Disney has a lot more current owners than they did when they build Hilton Head or Vero Beach.

Is there any evidence out there to say that Vero Beach and Hilton Head are more popular today than they were when they were built. I'm thinking that Hilton Head is more popular. However, I've also seen the resale price plummet so I don't know.

 

[lugnut33]

Instead of building a new resort they should go on an existing points buying spree and snap up all the resales sitting out there. Then they could just resell the points at the new higher price.

 

[Longhairbear]

When I read the initial rumor - near Blizzard Beach, condo-style, California theme - I was unimpressed. But after looking at the google earth map, this could be great, if done right.

Would love the whole resort to be old Hollywood themed, with a back entrance to the Studios (a la World Showcase). But if each building has it's own California theme, I think Hollywood would be near the lobby/community room and hopefully walkway to DHS. Other building themes like Napa, Beach, etc. Could be a great Napa-themed TS restaurant, maybe a little wine walk/seminar activity.

I would also love to see more value point options - like the Value 1BRs at AKV. I doubt those would be included, but they could draw me to a non-park resort.

I think we could use the capacity of another resort. I love being a member of DVC, but we cannot often book at 11 or even 7 months out. On 5 months notice, there was not a single studio at WDW to be had for Columbus Day weekend - and in this economy! [I know it's a holiday and I run that risk by not booking sooner, just pointing out that current DVC inventory does reach capacity.]

I love your ideas, and I would want to see a Palm Springs Midcentury Modern too.
But in a Hollywood section, what if they built The Hollywood Tower Hotel...just sayin..

 

[Brian Noble]

Disney has a lot more current owners than they did when they build Hilton Head or Vero Beach.

Is there any evidence out there to say that Vero Beach and Hilton Head are more popular today than they were when they were built. I'm thinking that Hilton Head is more popular. However, I've also seen the resale price plummet so I don't know.

But new resorts aren't built for existing owners---unless they are adding on. New resorts are built to be sold, primarily to new owners. If they can't be sold, they can't be built.

 

[franandaj]

Considering the speed at which the GCV has nearly sold out and the lack of additional space to sell at DL, I'm suprised there isn't another option in the works for the West Coast.

I've heard two rumors about the West Coast now,

1) I believe I posted earlier in the thread about a DLH tower which would be built free standing near the hotel.

2) The other rumor I heard on a different DVC list was from a member who stayed in January. She said they were remodeling the rooms in one tower of the DLH, kinda like what they did to Jambo House. Maybe that is so they would have something to sell when VGC is all sold out, which I hope isn't too soon, but after a two day stay there (just got home today) I decided that I need to add on more points after they way they jumbled up the points chart on the last update!

 

[Silly Little Pixie]

West Coast marketing efforts will shift to Aulani soon. Generally speaking, Disneyland doesn't attract the same type of long-term vacationers as Walt Disney World. But Hawaii is a big vacation destination for many in the west (as well as Japan and other countries.)

DVC is building nearly 500 villas in Hawaii so that is a HUGE project in the literal sense.

There have been rumors of a DVC component being added to the Disneyland Hotel (perhaps a 4th tower), but I can't see that getting the green light until they have some sense of how Hawaii sales will go. If Aulani is slow getting out of the gate, DVC won't want people considering DLH as an alternative. They will want all attention focused on the project they've already spent hundreds-of-millions of dollars to develop.

As a Southern California resident and longtime DLR AP holder, I'd argue they have done darn minimal VGC "marketing". I got a postcard inviting me to the VGC opening weekend event last March. I went, all excited... and what was the video about??? Touring BLT!!!! I couldn't believe it.

Since then (and I went on to buy at AKV, then last month added on at VGC once I stayed there) I've gotten DVC postcards for THV (twice) as well as for BLT. Never once for VGC. Even in DL, the kiosks pretty much look like ads for RCI. I bet a large number of DLR guests don't even KNOW there's a DVC at the Grand Californian...much less about how gorgeous it is, what the perks are to staying there versus offisite, etc. I'm frankly amazed that VGC has sold as well as it has, given the little effort they've put into it.

But perhaps not "pushing" it was the plan? So that it would be available in their stable of properties for a longer time, until they could sell Aulani?

I think you might be right about the DVC at DLH... they need to see how Aulani goes. I think a DVC there would be great though! The new pool theme and restaurants there will be fantastic.

 

[Dean]

I have no idea if they'll pursue another SSR/EP type project but doubt they'd build such a resort that was overly small as there is an economy of scale at work for such situations and it's fairly easy to phase that type of resort. If they can work an add on at ANY of the Dlx resorts they'll likely be better off and be able to sell it faster/easier. Plus the FL economy is likely to get worse not better for a few years.

 

[Chuck S]

Plus the FL economy is likely to get worse not better for a few years.

Especially with the TV stations constantly saying the oil spill it coming to FL. It is suippossed to start washing up at Pensacola soon, and they reported tar bubbles in the Keys last night.