Refill Mugs - Are 2008 still good??

[purplepaint]

I just cannot imagine why someone would travel with old mugs. IMOP if you cannot afford to buy another 12.95 mug then you should rethink spending several thousand on a Disney vacation. Also I would be embarrassed to publicly fill my old mug up when everyone knows you’re not supposed to.

 

[dkostel]

Many of the avatar's that are pictured next to the screen names are paid for by the forum websites.

I would be surprised if this was true (although if you have info that they do pay for these I believe you). The reason I say this is that this forum (and others like it) actually bring more money to Disney. When you learn about new restaurants, or resorts, or tours etc. you are more likely to try them. What is better advertising for Disney than thousands of rabid (and I mean that in the best possible way) fans? Aside from that this website is owned by a Disney focused travel agency. The interests of the DIS, their owners and Disney are very much aligned (although the owners of this site are never afraid of speaking honestly, pointing out shortcomings of WDW, they have our backs ).

This is very different from a daycare center using a bad painting of Mickey and friends to bring families into their center. It does nothing for Disney.

 

[minnie61650]

I My point is they have the technology to enforce their mug policy easily, but yet they don't. Even the cost of seting up a bar code system like they have in the water parks would pay for itself quickly. .

In late 2002 WDW did try an experiment of using bar codes for resort mugs like the bar codes at the water parks.

The problem was the bar codes at the water parks and machine settings have be changed and matched up each day.

Therefore the guests had to show the mug receipt to get a new bar code each day or the drink dispensers would not refill the mugs.

Would you like to have to stand in line each day to get a new barcode for a resort refill mug?

I think most did not!

Most guests only go to the water parks 1 or 2 times a stay so standig in for a bar code at a reduced fee at a water park is not a big deal.

I imagine that one day in the NOT so distant future WDW will be able to come with the technology so the day after the guest is to check out the refills will stop.

JMHO

 

[nwhitehead1214]

Many of the avatar's that are pictured next to the screen names are paid for by the forum websites. I got my avatar from one ofthe websites In which I am a member.

Edited to add :

The DIS has 6 pages of Avatars plus it has the option of custom avatars.

GO to user CP and then pick out whatever avatar you want.

Since I am a member of several forums I use my same SN and avatar on the different forums.

*Please Note;

I also donated $250 to the DIS to become a life time member.

Just my 2 cents.

You can cut and paste logos from any place or website you want but it doesn't make it right. Unless Disney has released those images and paid under express written consent it is still violative of copyright and trademark laws. Donating 250 to become a DIS member does not mean that you have a right to use official Disney Licensed trademarked logos/images/etc. I go to a gym but if they use copyrighted music that they do not have a license to play-- that is illegal. THAT BEING SAID THE DIS BOARDS MAY HAVE EXPRESS CONSENT I HAVE NOT DONE THE RESEARCH AND WILL NOT. MY POINT IS THAT BE CAREFUL WHO YOU ARE POINTING STEALING/THEFT FINGERS AT. There are an awful lot of images out there that do not look like avatars.

 

[minnie61650]

You can cut and paste logos from any place or website you want but it doesn't make it right. Unless Disney has released those images and paid under express written consent it is still violative of copyright and trademark laws. Donating 250 to become a DIS member does not mean that you have a right to use official Disney Licensed trademarked logos/images/etc. I go to a gym but if they use copyrighted music that they do not have a license to play-- that is illegal. THAT BEING SAID THE DIS BOARDS MAY HAVE EXPRESS CONSENT I HAVE NOT DONE THE RESEARCH AND WILL NOT. MY POINT IS THAT BE CAREFUL WHO YOU ARE POINTING STEALING/THEFT FINGERS AT. There are an awful lot of images out there that do not look like avatars.

That is why I only use the avatar or coundown ticker images that are offered to guests who are forum members.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Lehuaann]

Please, please stop with the guest intergrity argument! Obviously if anyone has read my previous posts using a disney picture, tickers, anything that the general public associates with Disney without their express written consent is stealing. This violates trademark and copyright laws. THIS IS STEALING. It just gets me so mad because as an intellectual property attorney I know how much money Disney spends protecting their trademarks and copyrights. TRUST ME IT IS MILLIONS MORE THAN THE SYRUP! For some reason, people ignore these stealing laws and IP attorneys are given millions sending out Cease and Desist letter. Disney, in my trade, are the powerhouses of ip protection. The government changed our Copyright Laws for the benefit of Mickey Mouse. GUESS WHO IS PAYING THE FEES FOR THE ATTORNEYS. You and your ticket prices. How are you hurting Disney? Example: Disney created and spent millions cultivating Ariel's character and protecting her image. You decide you like Ariel and you want her picture next to your name. Then you run around the internet at various blogs saying awful things to people. Whose picture do they see? This is called trademark dilution. I remember when people were upset when Disney went after a Daycare for painting the characters on the side of their building. Listen the Mouse and Friends are all they have once people start throwing their images around trouble starts. I DON'T MIND THE ARGUMENTS BUT PLEASE STOP WITH THE INTEGRITY ARGUMENTS.

Many of us here are unaware of trademark/copyright laws...thank you for informing us however, that still does not change the fact that hundreds of guest's are knowingly and selfishly taking advantage of Disney's refillable mug policy. The reason Disney is what it is is because of it's high standard's of integrity and commitment to it's guest's therefore, why shouldn't guest's also have some integrity and be trusted? I've been on these boards long enough to know God forbid...should DISNEY do anything wrong?? WATCH OUT!!

 

[Dipstick]

Has anyone actually been caught using a mug from a previous trip to WDW? Do they really enforce this rule?

I think one of the ways they prevent people from using old mugs is to change the design of the mugs once and a while. If I am not mistaken they just came out with new designs for the 2009 mugs.

I think if people are going to keep abusing the privilege of refillable mugs WDW would get rid of this altogether because people are taking advantage of the system and they aren't making a lot of revenue off this promotion.

$12.99 per mug when bought seperately from one of the disney dining plans (except basic doesn't come with a mug), how many times do you have to use it to get your worth out of this mug?

 

[minnie61650]

Has anyone actually been caught using a mug from a previous trip to WDW? Do they really enforce this rule?

Yes.

Just an FYI:


It has been noted that a few CM's are now approaching guests with old mugs.

From this thread :

http://www.disboards.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=22777691

We witnessed some customers being asked to leave the Beach Club Marketplace because they were using plastic (non WDW) cups at the drink station.

Actually they were asked to leave when they got mouthy with the CMs. The CMs were very nice about asking them not to use the regular plastic cups and pointed out that the drink station was only for those purchasing drinks or using a refillable mug.

The customers got really nasty with the CMs and in the process, it was discovered that they weren't even staying on Disney property! They had left EPCOT and walked to the BC just to get free drinks!

From this thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1721756&page=2

the 2008 ASM don't have the date on them. I purchased one last Feb but it was not the YOAMD 2007 mug, i guess an older style. i do remember a CM question someone about the mug they were using as the design was different. The CM was right at the station doing some refills. For the sake of $12 i will be buying a new one. I don't want to have to hide around. Plus it gives us a souvenir considering we did not get the YOAMD design.

From this thread:

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1503144

Hi, all. My family of four drove from NJ to WDW. We spent our first night, (6/23) at All Star Music - the Jazz Building. We've never been in a value resort before, and were pleasantly surprised. The room was perfectly adequate for my family. I was expecting a shoe-box with a bed. It really wasn't bad at all. The pool was fun - but crowded. The food court was pretty good, but also kind of crowded. My kids enjoyed the large icons and the other children. They showed Pirates of the Caribbean at night, and that was fun! It really was a pleasant surprise for us.

We checked into the Wilderness Lodge on Sunday, 6/24. We got there around 8:30 a.m. - and SURPRISE - our room was ready. We were given room 6157 - inner courtyard room with bunkbeds and a fabulous view of the pool (and bay lake). We were loving it. Our last trip we had room 6145. We were able to view the fireworks from our balcony. The pool was never overly crowded, and there was always a chair available poolside. The kiddie pool was good for my four-year old - however; he liked the adult pool with the life jacket. Roaring Forks was decent, but always crowded.

They did switch over to the new mug design, and I did see the cashiers approach people using the old design.

I wasn't too fond of the food choices (or lack of). And, my 9-year old son can eat more than 4 little chicken tenders since he is almost five feet tall! So, they should re-evaluate the kids menu.

Whispering Canyon was a fun time! We ate there twice for breakfast and once for dinner. The food was really good, and we had a blast. There was always a boat within 10 minutes of us arriving on the dock. We always managed to miss the bus we needed, but never waited more than 15 minutes for the next one. The biggest problem was trying to leave Epcot at night and having to wait for three busses before we could board.

Funny enough, every time I walked through the halls at the Lodge, I always felt like I was the only one there!

Oh, and I received five towel animals during my stay!

Any ?'s, please ask.

 

[redrosesix]

And do you know how many freaking Heelies i see at the parks. UGH! Now I hate those things.

One of those kids went barreling over my daughter in MK last week. At the time, I was surprised they were allowed to wear those -- now that I know they're not, I wish I had said something.

To me, this is a very important issue, since somebody could really get hurt.

 

[nwhitehead1214]

Many of us here are unaware of trademark/copyright laws...thank you for informing us however, that still does not change the fact that hundreds of guest's are knowingly and selfishly taking advantage of Disney's refillable mug policy. The reason Disney is what it is is because of it's high standard's of integrity and commitment to it's guest's therefore, why shouldn't guest's also have some integrity and be trusted? I've been on these boards long enough to know God forbid...should DISNEY do anything wrong?? WATCH OUT!!

Well, I am not so sure about people not knowing that Mickey and Minnie belong to DisneyWorld. I think Disney (of all the companies) has done a wonderful job educating people regarding IP laws. Most movies you see now have an educational blub regarding downloading images, etc. I am not so sure people are unaware. But what I can tell you is that legally you can never claim ignorance of the law as a defense. As plain to see from some of the previous posts there are actually some people who believe that they can use their old mugs. They were told by someone. Does that make is any better? To another's point regarding these forums actually helping Disney. You would still use this forum regardless of whether or not Mickey's picture was next to your name and you would still love Disney. What hurts Disney is the occasional fruitcake offending everyone with Mickey's picture next to the blog. Again, IT IS ILLEGAL BUT IT IS ALSO NOT A BIG DEAL TO DISNEY. AS IS USING YOUR MUG. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT JUST DON'T JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE. Enjoy your trips and let Disney do the policing.

 

[Deb & Bill]

I have mugs from just about every resort ... back in the good old days when they all sold different ones. Do you know why each resort had it's own mug? Because when you purchased them, the sign said and also the cast member told you that the policy was that when you purchased your mug at let's say Port Orleans Riverside that that mug was for free refills every time you came back to Port Orleans Riverside ... until you died ... and then you could "will" it to someone in your family for free refills for their lifetime. The signs said it could be used indefinitely and the cast members told you. Then they changed the rules. I think they don't enforce it because if I were to stay at the Wilderness Lodge and went in with my old 10 year old mug and refilled it, how could they say anything to me about it when at the time I purchased it I was told I could use it every time I stepped foot into the Wilderness Lodge, whether it was 50 years from now. ....

My 12 yr old mug was bought under a policy of good for the length of stay at that resort only. How come you had a different policy two years later at WL? Was that the one year or one resort the policy was changed?

 

[SnowWhite2]

I purchased my first mug in January 09 at SSR. The lady at the cash register told me it was good for refills at any resort and told me to bring it back on my next visit. I was sort of surprised. I was in a hurry and didn't have time to question her about it. We normally purchase soda at the grocery store so I never get a mug.

I liked having the mug at the parks when I purchased a large soda at lunch and was able to put my extra soda in the mug and carry it with me into the shows. You can't do that with the soda cups.

 

[edwardsfire]

Again, there are MILLIONS of people who visit every year and do not read these boards. I can also almost guarantee that many people do this without even thinking twice about the outrageous amount initially charged to buy these things. I will always bring my mugs from previous visits, and sometimes we buy new ones, it just depends. Either way, as long as we are not told by a CM not to use it, we will use it.

Amen brother.
If i run into you, i'll toast you with my 4 year old mug that i and the majority of other mug users are "using".

 

[A&Bmama]

I am glad that we agree that it shouldn't come to arresting people.

Like it or not we live in a world where people do not always do the honorable thing. We all know this, Disney knows it too. That's why they don't leave park admission, gift purchases, to the honor system, it's why there are locks on every resort room, why they provide safes in our rooms for our valuables. My point is they have the technology to enforce their mug policy easily, but yet they don't. Even the cost of seting up a bar code system like they have in the water parks would pay for itself quickly. So when Disney turns a blind eye to old mug reusage it creates hard feelings between those who follow the written policy and those who follow what has become the common practice. So yes, my thought is that Disney should either enforce the policy (thus ending the common practice) or change the written policy to reflect the common practice.

For the record, on our trip (3 more sleeps ) we have purchased the QSDP so I will be enjoying my beverages legitmately.

minnie61650, I have quoted my entire post that you quoted an excerpt from a few posts ago. Possibly I have misread the tone of your post but it seems to me that you have nit picked an exchange between myself and MAXIESMOM where we seemed to reach some common ground. I have to shake my head.

Sorry I don't know how to quote multiple posts but your post read:

"The problem was the bar codes at the water parks and machine settings have be changed and matched up each day.

Therefore the guests had to show the mug receipt to get a new bar code each day or the drink dispensers would not refill the mugs.

Would you like to have to stand in line each day to get a new barcode for a resort refill mug?

I think most did not!"

Did I somehow give the impression that I thought they should instute an inefficient system? I mean come on, really...makes one want snap that olive branch they offered in half and walk away.

 

[djm99]

Amen brother.
If i run into you, i'll toast you with my 4 year old mug that i and the majority of other mug users are "using".

Your honesty is striking I don't even know how to respond.

 

[mickaholic4077]

Again, there are MILLIONS of people who visit every year and do not read these boards. I can also almost guarantee that many people do this without even thinking twice about the outrageous amount initially charged to buy these things. I will always bring my mugs from previous visits, and sometimes we buy new ones, it just depends. Either way, as long as we are not told by a CM not to use it, we will use it.

Amen brother.
If i run into you, i'll toast you with my 4 year old mug that i and the majority of other mug users are "using".

Can I get in on this toast too?(As I hunt for my mug from The All Stars from 2000)

 

[Lehuaann]

Well, I am not so sure about people not knowing that Mickey and Minnie belong to DisneyWorld. I think Disney (of all the companies) has done a wonderful job educating people regarding IP laws. Most movies you see now have an educational blub regarding downloading images, etc. I am not so sure people are unaware. But what I can tell you is that legally you can never claim ignorance of the law as a defense. As plain to see from some of the previous posts there are actually some people who believe that they can use their old mugs. They were told by someone. Does that make is any better? To another's point regarding these forums actually helping Disney. You would still use this forum regardless of whether or not Mickey's picture was next to your name and you would still love Disney. What hurts Disney is the occasional fruitcake offending everyone with Mickey's picture next to the blog. Again, IT IS ILLEGAL BUT IT IS ALSO NOT A BIG DEAL TO DISNEY. AS IS USING YOUR MUG. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT JUST DON'T JUDGE OTHER PEOPLE. Enjoy your trips and let Disney do the policing.

You tell us "don't judge other people" yet you appear to be policing us about trademark laws using complete sentences in bold caps?

It did not occur to me that using a lil' icon or avatar pic was against trademark laws on a DISboard...I mean after all the DISboard provides them once you register. Many of us may not be schooled in copyright, trademark, and patent laws but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to clearly read a mug refill sign posted above a beverage bar.

Could you please provide actual proof to back up your claims that us using these tickers, icons, avatars is illegal and that basically the DISboards are providing illegal trademarks/copyrighted material to their users? I am being completely honest. I will be happy to understand it better as I am sure everyone else would.

 

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[Lehuaann]

Love your siggie!

 

[nwhitehead1214]

You tell us "don't judge other people" yet you appear to be policing us about trademark laws using complete sentences in bold caps?

It did not occur to me that using a lil' icon or avatar pic was against trademark laws on a DISboard...I mean after all the DISboard provides them once you register. Many of us may not be schooled in copyright, trademark, and patent laws but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to clearly read a mug refill sign posted above a beverage bar.

Could you please provide actual proof to back up your claims that us using these tickers, icons, avatars is illegal and that basically the DISboards are providing illegal trademarks/copyrighted material to their users? I am being completely honest. I will be happy to understand it better as I am sure everyone else would.

Obviously I don't work for Disboard and I don't know if they or anyone on this boards has ever owned a license to reproduce Disney property (as I have made very clear). But I presume that most people have not paid up for the licensing rights to reproduce disney property rights (I know I have not). There are alot of photos/trademarks etc on these posts that are not from Disboards. Please read all my posts, I certainly am not passing judgment on anyone. In fact, just the opposite. The only reason the ip laws were brought up was in reponse to some pretty "high on the horse" judgment calls against people's character. My point has been (please read in its entirety) that all of the described activity is per se illegal and nobody should be doing it. However, it gets done and Disney overlooks it. They will police what is most harmful to their busines. I was merely pointing out some hyprocrisy. All of the acts are wrong but seriously get off the soapbox. All of my caps were not made to police people it was to drive home the point that you really should relax about making judgment calls. If you truly want to know the legal statutes from which these derive they are: 17 USC 101 et. seq. & 15 USC 1051 et. seq. (more commonly known as the Copyright Act of 1976 and the Lanham Act). I must say, if you take my all caps as being angry that was not my intention.