Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)

[pooterz]

muslims seem to want to be treated kindly,
one way to treat them kindly is respecting their core beliefs.
we must forget our differences and unite to have a peaceful world.
if we don't we're both gonna be in for it.

 

[AKLRULZ]

muslims seem to want to be treated kindly,
one way to treat them kindly is respecting their core beliefs.
we must forget our differences and unite to have a peaceful world.
if we don't we're both gonna be in for it.

ROTF! Treat them kindly so they can be peaceful or they'll blow us up?! Do you realize how hilarious that is? And do you realize we did nothing to provoke them other than not subscribe to their core beliefs?

 

[Galahad]

I am happy and proud to say that I have never heard of pooterz.

Would you consent to be my bridge partner?

 

[Miss Jasmine]

ROTF! Treat them kindly so they can be peaceful or they'll blow us up?! Do you realize how hilarious that is? And do you realize we did nothing to provoke them other than not subscribe to their core beliefs?

No, treat Muslims kindly because that is what Jesus told us to do, you know that whole "do unto others" thing. And what did others do that have provoked extremist Christians?

 

[Saxsoon]

I think the bringing up the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition do not match well with what we are talking at hand. I don't remember Jesus telling me to kill Jews or the Muslims, or anyone else for that matter. Actually he is strictly against conversion by the sword or battle for that matter. When he was about to be captured in the Garden of Gethsemane, was it Peter? who had gone and cut a soldier's ear off to protect Jesus, and he said those who live by the sword shall die by it. The events mentioned above are from misguided zeal that yes every religion has. But to say the Bible told me to do it, is not true, unless I skipped over something.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I think the bringing up the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition do not match well with what we are talking at hand. I don't remember Jesus telling me to kill Jews or the Muslims, or anyone else for that matter. Actually he is strictly against conversion by the sword or battle for that matter. When he was about to be captured in the Garden of Gethsemane, was it Peter? who had gone and cut a soldier's ear off to protect Jesus, and he said those who live by the sword shall die by it. The events mentioned above are from misguided zeal that yes every religion has. But to say the Bible told me to do it, is not true, unless I skipped over something.

To be clear,the Torah specifically tells Hebrews to kill people..Large groups of people in fact...Last I knew Christans used our Torah, which they call the Old Testament.. The G-d of the Torah and OT is the same G-d as the one in the NT. To say there holy book has instances to tell people to kill in the name of G-d and deny the parts of ours that does the exact same thing is clearly biased. Christian have killed in the name of G-d..Jews have killed in the name of G-d. Muslims have killed in the name of G-d.


edited to add....This issue of the inquisition and the crusades was brought up in response to this

You can speak next time a fundamentalist conservative cuts someones head off or blows up a group of innocent people for no reason other then to promote his hateful religion


Now nowhere in that question did he say we could only bring up examples if said persons religious book specifically ordered them to do it


The Crusades and Inquisition most assuredly happened to promote a religion.

 

[Crankyshank]

To be clear,the Torah specifically tells Hebrews to kill people..Large groups of people in fact...Last I knew Christans used our Torah, which they call the Old Testament.. The G-d of the Torah and OT is the same G-d as the one in the NT. To say there holy book has instances to tell people to kill in the name of G-d and deny the parts of ours that does the exact same thing is clearly biased. Christian have killed in the name of G-d..Jews have killed in the name of G-d. Muslims have killed in the name of G-d.

And he gets pretty pissed when you don't kill the people he tells you to kill
like Saul and the Amalekites

I have to laugh at the timeliness of this thread - I'm studying for 2 exams that deal with the Old Testament and the foundation of Islam

 

[Miss Jasmine]

There was a whole lot of smiting going on in the Old Testament days.

 

[Bob Slydell]

There was a whole lot of smiting going on in the Old Testament days.

And not nearly enough smiting these days

 

[crcormier]

ROTF! Treat them kindly so they can be peaceful or they'll blow us up?! Do you realize how hilarious that is? And do you realize we did nothing to provoke them other than not subscribe to their core beliefs?

Well, it certainly had nothing to do with us messing around with Middle Eastern politics for the last 40 years...

I don't defend their actions. But we can't play the innocent victim, either.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

And not nearly enough smiting these days

 

[Briarmom]

And not nearly enough smiting these days

 

[ElizK]

To be clear,the Torah specifically tells Hebrews to kill people..Large groups of people in fact...Last I knew Christans used our Torah, which they call the Old Testament.. The G-d of the Torah and OT is the same G-d as the one in the NT. To say there holy book has instances to tell people to kill in the name of G-d and deny the parts of ours that does the exact same thing is clearly biased. Christian have killed in the name of G-d..Jews have killed in the name of G-d. Muslims have killed in the name of G-d.


edited to add....This issue of the inquisition and the crusades was brought up in response to this

You can speak next time a fundamentalist conservative cuts someones head off or blows up a group of innocent people for no reason other then to promote his hateful religion


Now nowhere in that question did he say we could only bring up examples if said persons religious book specifically ordered them to do it


The Crusades and Inquisition most assuredly happened to promote a religion.

The Old Testament does not tell Hebrews to kill people. It TOLD a certain generation of Israelites to kill certain people. That cannot be applied to our generation.

 

[JennyMominRI]

The Old Testament does not tell Hebrews to kill people. It TOLD a certain generation of Israelites to kill certain people. That cannot be applied to our generation.

The same could be said of passages in the Quaran..People are people,and they interprit things the way the wish to interpret them.

 

[ElizK]

The same could be said of passages in the Quaran..People are people,and they interprit things the way the wish to interpret them.

Absolutely! I was only talking about the present tense you used in your post.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Absolutely! I was only talking about the present tense you used in your post.

Ok..I get your point...I should have used told and not tells...You are right.

The point I am trying to make, perhaps badly is that it is not religion itself that is inherently bad(in most cases)...The problem is that religions are made up of people,and unfortunately, people can be bad,v ery very bad and it's important to focus on the bad acts that happen and the people who commit them, and not on painting entire religions as evil because people are screwed up..If we paint every religion that did/does bad things as evil,well, there won't be many left. That includes my own.

 

[disneyfan67]

Muhammed was a child molester and believed in forcing his religious beliefs on other people by force. If you didn't convert, you were made a slave or killed.

You better be carefull with comments like that about Mr. Muhammend, someone might lose their head...... Literally!

 

[grlpwrd]

...I have to laugh at the timeliness of this thread - I'm studying for 2 exams that deal with the Old Testament and the foundation of Islam

Me, too ...I am taking world history right now and I have an exam this evening.

The point I am trying to make, perhaps badly is that it is not religion itself that is inherently bad(in most cases)...The problem is that religions are made up of people,and unfortunately, people can be bad,v ery very bad and it's important to focus on the bad acts that happen and the people who commit them, and not on painting entire religions as evil because people are screwed up..If we paint every religion that did/does bad things as evil,well, there won't be many left. That includes my own.

I must say, Jenny, that you are very knowledgeable and insightful. Thank you for always participating in these kinds of discussions even if it does seem like this thread was started to .

 

[disneyfan67]

Well, it certainly had nothing to do with us messing around with Middle Eastern politics for the last 40 years...

I don't defend their actions. But we can't play the innocent victim, either.

Well, now that you put it that way, I now understand the past violence against us. Why didn't you tell me this before??? This changes everything and I regret my previous staments about Islam and the sorry state of affairs in the Middle East. I didn't realize that I had a small hand in all of the problems that are going on over there. Just goes to show you learn something new everyday. The more I hear about Americans, the more I don't like them. Damn them! They seem to be the cause of all the worlds problems!

As I said before, this changes everything on how I will deal with this issue. I promise here and now if my flight is hijacked, not to get too upset. I will stand up and prevent the fellow passengers from storming the cockpit with tales of past American aggressions and show how we as a nation, are at fault. I will calm my frightened wife and children and tell them that, we as Americans have brought this on ourselves and to accept our fate as the will of Allah.

Thank you for pointing out this factoid out to me.

 

[wallyb]

There was a whole lot of smiting going on in the Old Testament days.

Hey - Don't forget all the begating too!