Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)

[rosiebean]

Can we invoke this retroactively? Say I don't know...maybe with regard to those that have fired upon abortion clinics and killed people?

How about the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades? Pretty horrible stuff happened there. Around the time of the Reformation, there was some nasty stuff that happened as people broke off from the Catholic church and formed various sects...I remember one tale about two German (I think) villages that each broke off from the Catholic church but into different forms of worship (one believed in baptism, the other didn't), and these two villages had awful battles, and the one who didn't believe in literal baptism by water conquered the other and drowned everyone in the other village.

You don't have to go that far back into history to find examples of Christian extremism, but those listed above are pretty "famous". One thing liking to read, and reading most anything I can get my hands on, has lead me to the conclusion that pretty much every religion on the planet has/had its share of fundamentalist extremists.

 

[Miss Jasmine]

One thing liking to read, and reading most anything I can get my hands on, has lead me to the conclusion that pretty much every religion on the planet has/had its share of fundamentalist extremists.

Yep each group has them. None can claim otherwise.

I was going with a more recent example, but yes history is filled with violence in the name of religion.

 

[Bob Slydell]

That was centuries ago. Jesus's message was quite different, was it not? Furthermore, the Christian churches have undergone major reformations.

And the Koran was written in 1998?

 

[DawnCt1]

How about the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades? Pretty horrible stuff happened there. Around the time of the Reformation, there was some nasty stuff that happened as people broke off from the Catholic church and formed various sects...I remember one tale about two German (I think) villages that each broke off from the Catholic church but into different forms of worship (one believed in baptism, the other didn't), and these two villages had awful battles, and the one who didn't believe in literal baptism by water conquered the other and drowned everyone in the other village.

You don't have to go that far back into history to find examples of Christian extremism, but those listed above are pretty "famous". One thing liking to read, and reading most anything I can get my hands on, has lead me to the conclusion that pretty much every religion on the planet has/had its share of fundamentalist extremists.

But we are now in the 21st century, and as the saying goes, "times have changed". Millions of people are living as if they are still in the 15th century and there in lies the problem.

 

[DawnCt1]

And the Koran was written in 1998?

Unfortunately, those passages are being read and studied in madrasas today, which therefore makes it irrelevant when it was written.

 

[Bob Slydell]

Unfortunately, those passages are being read and studied in madrasas today, which therefore makes it irrelevant when it was written.

And the Old Testament isn't being read and taught anywhere? Christian extremists don't just pop up out of the ground -- someone has to be teaching them.

 

[crcormier]

That was centuries ago. Jesus's message was quite different, was it not? Furthermore, the Christian churches have undergone major reformations.

Yes. It was judge not, lest ye be judged.

Oh. Too late.

 

[Mermaid02]

What happened to the OP? I think someone

 

[rosiebean]

Yes. It was judge not, lest ye be judged.

Oh. Too late.

lol

I've edited my post. Never mind. The above poster said it best. And like George on Seinfeld, even though I didn't say the above I'm going to use it as an example to leave this discussion on a high note...I'll just sit back and eat my popcorn from now on.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Unfortunately, those passages are being read and studied in madrasas today, which therefore makes it irrelevant when it was written.

Jews read the entire Torah annually ,out loud in synagogues all over the world..

 

[DawnCt1]

Jews read the entire Torah annually ,out loud in synagogues all over the world..

While that is true, you don't see plane loads of Jews blowing up buildings and beheading non believers. Moses delivered the 10 Comandments, one of which says, Thou Shalt not murder.

 

[Deb in IA]

I am happy and proud to say that I have never heard of pooterz.

 

[JennyMominRI]

While that is true, you don't see plane loads of Jews blowing up buildings and beheading non believers. Moses delivered the 10 Comandments, one of which says, Thou Shalt not murder.

But Jews do have eras of intolerance and instances where they went after large groups of people,as the Tanakh shows...The same is to be said for Christians..The same is to be said for Mulsims..The problem,I do agree is that some Muslims have not grown past that point..Certainly that is true..I don't believe it makes the religion itself inherently evil, anymore than I beleive the actions of Ancient Hebrews make Judaism inherently evil or the crusades make Christians inherintly evil.
I think there are 2 issues here..The first being, is there a very dangerous segment of Islam out there,right now ? The answer is yes,and we have to face that head on...The second issue is whether or not Islam itself is inherently evil....Frankly,I don't think either of the 2 other Abrahamic religions have any room to call Islam inherently evil and something that needs to be erradicated,what with the skeletons we have in our own closets.

 

[DawnCt1]

But Jews do have eras of intolerance and instances where they went after large groups of people,as the Tanakh shows...The same is to be said for Christians..The same is to be said for Mulsims..The problem,I do agree is that some Muslims have not grown past that point..Certainly that is true..I don't believe it makes the religion itself inherently evil, anymore than I beleive the actions of Ancient Hebrews make Judaism inherently evil or the crusades make Christians inherintly evil.
I think there are 2 issues here..The first being, is there a very dangerous segment of Islam out there,right now ? The answer is yes,and we have to face that head on...The second issue is whether or not Islam itself is inherently evil....Frankly,I don't think either of the 2 other Abrahamic religions have any room to call Islam inherently evil and something that needs to be erradicated,what with the skeletons we have in our own closets.

I do not disagree with you. I do believe there is a very dangerous segment of Islam out there right now and unfortunately encompasses a LOT of people. If only 10% of Muslims are radicalized, and there seems to be a prevailing thought that the number is actually higher, that accounts for millions of people. Furthermore, there is also a large segment of Muslims, who do not themselves pursue violent behavior, they are sympathetic to those who do. The answer is not to irradicate Islam but for the moderates in the faith to encourage a reformation, just as Christianity and Judism underwent.

 

[singingpixie]

While that is true, you don't see plane loads of Jews blowing up buildings and beheading non believers. Moses delivered the 10 Comandments, one of which says, Thou Shalt not murder.

Yes, and Muslims believe in the 10 Commandments too.

The bottom line is that there are extremists associated with every religion that take certain passages from their holy books literally or even out of context, and do things in the name of religion that have nothing to do with the true message of the religion. This is true of extremist Muslims, but it is also true, both historically and contemporarily, of some extremist Christian groups- for example, those picketing the funerals of soldiers and recently the Amish children, and those bombing abortion clinics. Just because we are more aware of extremist Muslims today than extremists of other religions (and we may be legitimately more aware because they are greater in number at the moment than others) doesn't mean that Islam itself is hateful- just that there are hateful groups that use the name of Islam to define their beliefs.

 

[rosiebean]

While that is true, you don't see plane loads of Jews blowing up buildings and beheading non believers.

I said I'd stay out of this, but I have to add one last thing:

Yes. You do.

Or do you really have no idea what the Jews did when Palestine was a British colony? You might want to read up on that, particularly a group called Irgun.

OK, I think this poster is just , so now I'm out .

 

[crcormier]

I am happy and proud to say that I have never heard of pooterz.

 

[Bob Slydell]

I am happy and proud to say that I have never heard of pooterz.

 

[need_a_Disney_fix]

I said I'd stay out of this, but I have to add one last thing:

Yes. You do.

Or do you really have no idea what the Jews did when Palestine was a British colony? You might want to read up on that, particularly a group called Irgun.

OK, I think this poster is just , so now I'm out .

I am making more.

 

[fabshelly]

I've never heard of poohterz....but I've done one. Accidentally. In an elevator. Sorry about that! (/me puts on gas mask). Had beans for lunch. My bad.