Pride month at Disney...

[Mexacajun]

I see. I just think there's no way someone will walk into BBB and ask for a person of the same ethnicity to do their child's hair, but someone *would* walk in and say, "that's not appropriate for my child." I didn't mean for it to come across the way it obviously did-I guess I'm just overly sensitive to the situation. My apologies.

No worries. I wouldn’t give people too much credit.
I wonder Disney's reaction to your scenario of “it’s not appropriate for my child”. They hold their ground, or appease the parent?
Anyhow thanks for the responses. This is probably the wrong thread for this discussion. The mention of the video set me off down a rabbit hole.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

Would you consider this appropriate for children? Because unless I'm wrong, the check-in person wasn't doing anything except greeting people in a friendly manner.

Yes, it's appropriate for children. Bugs is fine in drag, people who perform in drag are fine, the man in BBB greeting people is fine. I was just trying to gauge without the benefit of seeing a person's emotions how to respond to them. LGBTQIA people deserve every basic human right that is afforded to the rest of us. I guess I'm overly sensitive because I have loved ones who are being impacted by LBGTQIA hate. I'm sorry if I'm coming across as intolerant-that is *really* not my intention.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

No worries. I wouldn’t give people too much credit.
I wonder Disney's reaction to your scenario of “it’s not appropriate for my child”. They hold their ground, or appease the parent?
Anyhow thanks for the responses. This is probably the wrong thread for this discussion. The mention of the video set me off down a rabbit hole.

You're absolutely right. I responded to someone trying to stir the pot, and I shouldn't have. This thread is about celebrating Pride. I suspect I went into the same rabbit hole as you, and I haven't even finished my coffee yet.

 

[gmi3804]

Yes, it's appropriate for children. Bugs is fine in drag, people who perform in drag are fine, the man in BBB greeting people is fine. I was just trying to gauge without the benefit of seeing a person's emotions how to respond to them. LGBTQIA people deserve every basic human right that is afforded to the rest of us. I guess I'm overly sensitive because I have loved ones who are being impacted by LBGTQIA hate. I'm sorry if I'm coming across as intolerant-that is *really* not my intention.

I get it, and thanks for your empathy.

 

[Let's Get Kronk]

I need that drink with the gummy bears!

And whatever that cake roll thing is with the rainbow filling! Dangit now I'm hungry....

 

[Moliphino]

But I have a question, besides being a greeter in this persons case, have there been any men that do hair? Are parents allowed to request a gender for thier apprentice? What about race? If I have a black child and want my child to have a black apprentice, can I request that (I am pretty sure Disney had the BBB cast members take more training on doing more hair types to be more inclusive)? And is that true in every case ie if Hispanic request Hispanic, if white request white, etc.? What is and isn’t appropriate?

I think it would be more appropriate for a parent to ask for an apprentice who knows how to work with their child's hair type rather than specifying the race of the apprentice.

 

[Mexacajun]

I think it would be more appropriate for a parent to ask for an apprentice who knows how to work with their child's hair type rather than specifying the race of the apprentice.

Which Disney (to their credit) has tried to train for. It doesn’t get away from the fact that some kids may just feel more connected to someone that looks like them. But that is probably the parents job to discuss.

 

[Dan Murphy]

Yes, it even seems to have carried over to the Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique. I'm not a huge fan of that. I don't care what they do elsewhere in the parks, but this just seems to be a little too much. Why couldn't they have a fairy godfather? That might not be so shocking to some people such as children, parents and grandparents or was that the intension?

Old news, Dbl M, from a year ago.

"Disney has replaced the title of “fairy godmothers” for gender-neutral “apprentices” at dress-up boutiques at its U.S. theme parks in an effort to be inclusive, according to the parks' websites."

Seems to be a good idea, to me at least.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tle-parks-gender-neutral-apprentice-rcna39524

 

[Dan Murphy]

Adding Hollywood Studios contribution to Pride Month.



Hollywood Studios Pride Month photo op

 

[Sacahara]

Adding Hollywood Studios contribution to Pride Month.



Hollywood Studios Pride Month photo op

I love this! And I spy an Ace balloon!

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Are you referring to the male dressed as a fairy godmother (google it if you don't know)? If you're willing to answer, what about that makes it "a little too much"? I'll agree it's different, and wouldn't be something I'd choose to do, but what is wrong with it? I honestly can't think of anything.

What makes it too much is that parents are spending LOTS of money to have a family vacation at Disney which used to cater to the family. The Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique is another high-priced added expense to the total cost of a Disney vacation if one chooses to participate. This (I guess you would call it) attraction is geared for children so why do we have to dress a man as a woman? If the person didn't have a mustache, it wouldn't have been so noticeable ergo maybe no questions. Why should parents/grandparents be put in the position of having to answer questions about sexuality while on a family vacation? I wonder what Walt would think. I do believe it was Walt's hope/dream to develop a family friendly park where he would want to take his girls and to give other families the same opportunity.

To the person who asked about different hair styles for different types of hair, I'm pretty sure they only have a very limited selections of hairstyles (2-3 maybe). They all include tons of glitter and hair spray. Be prepared to wash your child's hair multiple times to get it all out.

As far as women wearing slack versus dress, that is not same thing at all.

Old news, Dbl M, from a year ago.

"Disney has replaced the title of “fairy godmothers” for gender-neutral “apprentices” at dress-up boutiques at its U.S. theme parks in an effort to be inclusive, according to the parks' websites."

Seems to be a good idea, to me at least.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tle-parks-gender-neutral-apprentice-rcna39524

Old news to you maybe but not to me or those guests who encounter the new inclusive policy. I guess I'm not as up to date on all things Disney as you seem to be, nor are a lot of other folks who wanted to enjoy a nice day at the park.
Disney can and will do what they want but at some point, if they continue to stay the course they currently seem to be on, they will eventually push just a little too far. When that happens, they will either have to walk it back or face a decline in visitors aka revenue which is all it's about these days.

Bottom line for me, they can paint all the rainbows they want and make all the pretty drinks and deserts with rainbow colors. I happen to love rainbows although maybe not for the same reasons as others. I just think that the BBB was just a little too far for me. If you're ok with it, that's great. Different strokes for different folks. Peace brothers and sisters, enjoy the rest of your day. May your world be filled with rainbows. Happy times.

 

[gmi3804]

Why should parents/grandparents be put in the position of having to answer questions about sexuality while on a family vacation?

Maybe because that's the kind of thing kids ask parents all the time, and it's the parents' job to answer how they see fit?

Why should parents, for that matter, be put in the position of having to explain why, for example, they have to wait in line for an attraction, or why the kid can't have that $18 balloon?

 

[sam_gordon]

What makes it too much is that parents are spending LOTS of money to have a family vacation at Disney which used to cater to the family. The Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique is another high-priced added expense to the total cost of a Disney vacation if one chooses to participate. This (I guess you would call it) attraction is geared for children so why do we have to dress a man as a woman?

First, thank you for answering. Second, do they HAVE to dress a man as a woman? No. But I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing the harm.

If the person didn't have a mustache, it wouldn't have been so noticeable ergo maybe no questions.

So if he didn't have a mustache, it would have been ok? Sorry, I don't understand that logic.

Why should parents/grandparents be put in the position of having to answer questions about sexuality while on a family vacation?

What questions about sexuality?
Kid: "Mama, why is that man wearing a dress?"
Mom: "Because he thinks he looks pretty (nice, whatever)."
Why does "sexuality" come up at all?

I wonder what Walt would think. I do believe it was Walt's hope/dream to develop a family friendly park where he would want to take his girls and to give other families the same opportunity.

And you think he wouldn't want to take his girls to the park because of this "apprentice"?

As far as women wearing slack versus dress, that is not same thing at all.

Care to expand? I see it VERY much the same. I don't think it was really acceptable for women to wear slacks until ~WWII when women were put into the workforce. My timing may be off. But there was a definite time when it wasn't "acceptable" for women to women slacks. Just like it's not currently "acceptable" for men to wear dresses. So again I ask, what's the difference?

Disney can and will do what they want but at some point, if they continue to stay the course they currently seem to be on, they will eventually push just a little too far. When that happens, they will either have to walk it back or face a decline in visitors aka revenue which is all it's about these days.

That I agree with. BUT, it will take time to see if these decisions dramatically affect attendance.

Bottom line for me, they can paint all the rainbows they want and make all the pretty drinks and deserts with rainbow colors. I happen to love rainbows although maybe not for the same reasons as others. I just think that the BBB was just a little too far for me. If you're ok with it, that's great. Different strokes for different folks. Peace brothers and sisters, enjoy the rest of your day. May your world be filled with rainbows. Happy times.

 

[2Lunds]

Why should parents/grandparents be put in the position of having to answer questions about sexuality while on a family vacation?

Question: why would sexuality have to be discussed? The child is coming to a dress-up salon where they are going to be put in costume as a princess. The host is also dressed up as a princess - because it's fun, and he wants to. Just like the child.

 

[PezRuth]

In response to the person at BBB wearing a dress - When we were at DisneyWorld a few months ago, it was a hot day and there was a young man wearing the dress option of the costume at Biergarten. It was a hot day. I saw the person and just thought hm okay. My 7 year old daughter saw and said "that is smart" and I said what is smart and she said "it is much smarter to wear a dress on a hot day" and that was it.

 

[Moliphino]

What makes it too much is that parents are spending LOTS of money to have a family vacation at Disney which used to cater to the family. The Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique is another high-priced added expense to the total cost of a Disney vacation if one chooses to participate. This (I guess you would call it) attraction is geared for children so why do we have to dress a man as a woman? If the person didn't have a mustache, it wouldn't have been so noticeable ergo maybe no questions. Why should parents/grandparents be put in the position of having to answer questions about sexuality while on a family vacation? I wonder what Walt would think. I do believe it was Walt's hope/dream to develop a family friendly park where he would want to take his girls and to give other families the same opportunity.

What does a man wearing a dress have to do with sexuality?

 

[Dan Murphy]

And to think I used to enjoy Off Kilter. And I still miss them.

From Deb's site

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Maybe because that's the kind of thing kids ask parents all the time, and it's the parents' job to answer how they see fit?

Why should parents, for that matter, be put in the position of having to explain why, for example, they have to wait in line for an attraction, or why the kid can't have that $18 balloon?

To your first point, NAH

To your second points, not the same thing at all.

First, thank you for answering. Second, do they HAVE to dress a man as a woman? No. But I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing the harm.

So if he didn't have a mustache, it would have been ok? Sorry, I don't understand that logic.

What questions about sexuality?
Kid: "Mama, why is that man wearing a dress?"
Mom: "Because he thinks he looks pretty (nice, whatever)."
Why does "sexuality" come up at all?

And you think he wouldn't want to take his girls to the park because of this "apprentice"?

Care to expand? I see it VERY much the same. I don't think it was really acceptable for women to wear slacks until ~WWII when women were put into the workforce. My timing may be off. But there was a definite time when it wasn't "acceptable" for women to women slacks. Just like it's not currently "acceptable" for men to wear dresses. So again I ask, what's the difference?

That I agree with. BUT, it will take time to see if these decisions dramatically affect attendance.

Question: why would sexuality have to be discussed? The child is coming to a dress-up salon where they are going to be put in costume as a princess. The host is also dressed up as a princess - because it's fun, and he wants to. Just like the child.

I feel like we are going round and round with this. I don't think a fairy godmother should be a man. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. If you all think it's ok well, I hope you enjoy your time at BBB.

Yes, Off Kilter wore kilts, that is native Scottish dress for men, and I miss them too. Fairy godmothers are women otherwise they would be called fairy godfathers.....it seems pretty simple to me.

Also, most women don't have full blown mustaches. If they do, I'm pretty sure they are trying to get rid of them...

 

[sam_gordon]

To your first point, NAH

To your second points, not the same thing at all.




I feel like we are going round and round with this. I don't think a fairy godmother should be a man. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. If you all think it's ok well, I hope you enjoy your time at BBB.

Yes, Off Kilter wore kilts, that is native Scottish dress for men, and I miss them too. Fairy godmothers are women otherwise they would be called fairy godfathers.....it seems pretty simple to me.

Also, most women don't have full blown mustaches. If they do, I'm pretty sure they are trying to get rid of them...

Hard to go "round and round" with only two responses IMO. You might disagree.

And I thought "Nick" (I think that's his name) is a "Fairy Godmother's Apprentice", NOT Fairy Godmother.

And you're certainly welcome to your beliefs. I just don't find "because I said so" a valid reason for a belief. Didn't like it when I was told that as a kid, don't like it now. So I'm trying to understand the thought beyond "because that's what I think".

This is a chance for you, or anyone for that matter, to explain what's wrong with it. If you don't want to discuss why you feel this way, I hope you have a good day.

 

[DisneyHardin]

I love those photo-op walls!!!!